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Time to clarify "Natural Born" in the constitution ?
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tonygraz Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 11:22 AM EST
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The constitution on the president:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

We have gone around on this with Goldwater, McCain, Obama and now Cruz and perhaps Rubio. Perhaps it is time to clarify it in the Supreme Court ( I doubt Congress would or could at this point). Why government and business is reluctant to get things like this that will inevitably become a problem clarified as soon as possible in ridiculous.

What is a natural born citizen ?
Hopefully cesarean section can be considered natural.
tailgater Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 11:35 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
The constitution on the president:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

We have gone around on this with Goldwater, McCain, Obama and now Cruz and perhaps Rubio. Perhaps it is time to clarify it in the Supreme Court ( I doubt Congress would or could at this point). Why government and business is reluctant to get things like this that will inevitably become a problem clarified as soon as possible in ridiculous.

What is a natural born citizen ?
Hopefully cesarean section can be considered natural.



Cesarean?
I hope you are kidding.
sd72 Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 12:40 PM EST
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No test tube babies it means. Wake up man.
tonygraz Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 12:55 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Cesarean?
I hope you are kidding.


Hard telling what the crazies running for office will come up with next.
tailgater Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 1:36 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Hard telling what the crazies running for office will come up with next.


I think you may have a negative IQ.
MACS Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 1:43 PM EST
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I believe it means a "citizen of the USA by birth".

My son was born in the Philippines because that is where I was stationed at the time. My wife and I were not married yet, so he was born in a local hospital. The fact that I am his father is sufficient for me to call him a "natural born American citizen". One of his parents is/was an American citizen at the time of his birth. I think location should not matter... much to the chagrin of "Obama's not a citizen" types. His momma was... he is, too.

What I do NOT consider a natural born citizen is an "anchor baby". If neither of the parents are American, neither should the child be, no matter where it was born.

It was necessary for me to go to the US Embassy in Manila, with my wife and son, and sign an affidavit of paternity to get his US Certificate of Birth abroad, and his US passport. Still have it... with his little baby picture.
Brewha Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 1:59 PM EST
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The whole birther thing is right wing elephant guano. But let's just clear this up:

Obama - citizen, no question. Get over it.

Cruz - foreigner, should have his green card removed.

Your welcome.
MACS Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 3:09 PM EST
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I disagree. One of his parents (mom) is/was a US citizen. So is he. It doesn't matter that he was born in Canada.

He is a US citizen by birth because he was born to a US citizen.
Brewha Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 4:01 PM EST
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I heard he was born in Canada to avoid the draft.....
Brewha Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 4:22 PM EST
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So a Russian, Mexican and a Canadian walk into a bar.
And the bartender says;
"Sorry, your not welcome here, Mr. Cruz"
tonygraz Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 4:36 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I disagree. One of his parents (mom) is/was a US citizen. So is he. It doesn't matter that he was born in Canada.

He is a US citizen by birth because he was born to a US citizen.


I think the question may be whether his mother was a citizen at the time and it has yet to be proven. The whole birther controversy is coming back to bite and it should be clarified as to who is "natural born".
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 6:10 PM EST
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what if the parent took on a different citizenship..?? or the dude running for president..?? does the US citizenship over-ride all others even if denounced..?? Huh
tonygraz Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 10:34 PM EST
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I'm glad you agree. And what about the poor nationless puppies.
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 10:42 PM EST
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I'm agreeing with what..?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2016, 11:14 PM EST
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From what I gather tho, it's ok to be a foreigner with a different citizenship to go to college but as soon as you need to run for president you can claim a US citizenship... is that correct..?? Huh
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#16 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 9:05 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
The whole birther thing is right wing elephant guano. But let's just clear this up:


you need to read more on the origination of the birther stuff before you hand out such accusations and hilary clinton's campaign involvement in 2008

i think even the washington post traced it to hilary and her campaign
tonygraz Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 11:26 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
From what I gather tho, it's ok to be a foreigner with a different citizenship to go to college but as soon as you need to run for president you can claim a US citizenship... is that correct..?? Huh


If you are talking about that picture of a digital ID of a certain college student before that college had digital IDs, I suggest you go to snopes and get the details.
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 11:52 AM EST
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I was just asking a hypothetical question.. Mellow
Brewha Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 12:07 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
you need to read more on the origination of the birther stuff before you hand out such accusations and hilary clinton's campaign involvement in 2008

i think even the washington post traced it to hilary and her campaign

I don't know GJ - seems most people posting here hand out accusations without having read anything at all.

Why should I be different?
tonygraz Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 1:27 PM EST
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The Birther thing goes back at least to Goldwater and still no clarification. I saw on an untrusted site that Cruz produced his mother's birth certificate.
Brewha Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 2:53 PM EST
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Let's not let facts get in the way of mud slinging. Remember all the good red blooded Americans who insisted Obama was a Muslim and born in Kenya? Seems like the way we play the game here in 'merica....
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 3:03 PM EST
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Cruz said he didn't realize he was a Canadian citizen until the last few years. Denied it vigorously. Once proven then he renounced his Canadian citizenship.
Brewha Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 3:21 PM EST
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So he was a draft dodger then.....
MACS Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 3:32 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Let's not let facts get in the way of mud slinging. Remember all the good red blooded Americans who insisted Obama was a Muslim and born in Kenya? Seems like the way we play the game here in 'merica....



I'm not doubting he was born in Kenya... or whether or not he may be muslim... I'm just saying if his momma is a citizen, so is he.
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 3:34 PM EST
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His mama wears Russian combat boots
tailgater Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 3:52 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I'm not doubting he was born in Kenya... or whether or not he may be muslim... I'm just saying if his momma is a citizen, so is he.


If his momma was a ho would that make him a Yankees fan?
Brewha Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 5:01 PM EST
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What if she sews socks that smell?
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 5:36 PM EST
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cut off their nose.. Laugh
tonygraz Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 9:00 PM EST
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Not if she deflates footballs.
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 9:15 PM EST
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Mellow
gummy jones Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Jan 10 2016, 9:40 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I don't know GJ - seems most people posting here hand out accusations without having read anything at all.

Why should I be different?


true true

i just hold you to a higher standard Beer
Brewha Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 9:53 AM EST
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It ain't easy being a liberal- Cbids' most valuable resource....
teddyballgame Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 12:48 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
It ain't easy being a liberal- Cbids' most valuable resource....




That is where you are wrong Brewha.

Being a liberal is EASY.

Liberals just rely on feelings and intentions, consequences be damned.
A policy just needs to make liberals feel good about themselves.

Being conservative is hard and takes work in that you have to try and educate a liberal as to facts and consequences and accountability. A conservative is better informed on issues.

A liberal cares about the intentions of a policy.

A conservative cares about the results of a policy.
Speyside Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 12:58 PM EST
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Brewha, when did factual knowledge become a requirement for posting on CBID? Yes, I know, rhetorical question.
tailgater Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 1:22 PM EST
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What if there were no rhetorical questions?
tonygraz Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 2:42 PM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
That is where you are wrong Brewha.

Being a liberal is HARD.

Liberals just rely on feelings, facts , intentions, and consequences.
A policy just needs to make liberals feel good about themselves and work well.

Being conservative is easy and takes time to listen to whatever other convervative idiots express as an opinion. Try to educate a conservative as to facts and consequences and accountability and they cover their ears and want to go back in time several decades. A conservative is uninformed on issues and has only opinions based on hatred..

A liberal cares about the intentions and results of a policy.

A conservative cares about the what some conservative blog says.






TIFFY
tonygraz Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 2:43 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
What if there were no rhetorical questions?





There would be no need for rhetorical answers.




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tailgater Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 4:09 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
There would be no need for rhetorical answers.




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Swing.
And Miss.


You might think you're witty, but you'd be only half right.
Brewha Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 8:18 PM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
That is where you are wrong Brewha.

Being a liberal is EASY.

Liberals just rely on feelings and intentions, consequences be damned.
A policy just needs to make liberals feel good about themselves.

Being conservative is hard and takes work in that you have to try and educate a liberal as to facts and consequences and accountability. A conservative is better informed on issues.

A liberal cares about the intentions of a policy.

A conservative cares about the results of a policy.

Oh, you not understanding is par for the cource.

You reduce the two fundamental view as right vs. wrong - while they are both trying to do what is best. And that is why you are not really a conservative. Because you are off balance and lack vision. The more the light of truth and knowledge shines upon your minds eye, the more its iris closes.

I repect real conservatives. And so I debate with them. And sometimes I learn. Sometimes they learn.
Your above post shows unfounded summary judgment. Which is what I expect from you.

So with more than half of the forum being conservative, or worse as in your case, it is hard work to have a clear and cogent voice.

I suppose this makes no sence to you, does it?
Brewha Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 8:22 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Brewha, when did factual knowledge become a requirement for posting on CBID? Yes, I know, rhetorical question.

Well, it's really not my style. I was just funning.

"Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice;
Pull down your pants and slide on the ice."
tonygraz Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 11:03 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Swing.
And Miss.


You might think you're witty, but you'd be only half right.





But then you would be half wrong.
Speyside Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Jan 11 2016, 11:18 PM EST
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Quoting Sydney Freedman, I am impressed.
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#43 Posted: Tue, Jan 12 2016, 10:52 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Oh, you not understanding is par for the cource.

You reduce the two fundamental view as right vs. wrong - while they are both trying to do what is best. And that is why you are not really a conservative. Because you are off balance and lack vision. The more the light of truth and knowledge shines upon your minds eye, the more its iris closes.

I repect real conservatives. And so I debate with them. And sometimes I learn. Sometimes they learn.
Your above post shows unfounded summary judgment. Which is what I expect from you.

So with more than half of the forum being conservative, or worse as in your case, it is hard work to have a clear and cogent voice.

I suppose this makes no sence to you, does it?



Ha!


I understand perfectly and my "vision" on conservatism would make Superman jealous.

But I'll bite, who are the "real conservatives" in the political realm that you respect?
tailgater Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Jan 12 2016, 11:23 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
But then you would be half wrong.


Tis better to remain quiet and thought a fool, then to speak out and remove all doubt.
MACS Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Jan 12 2016, 12:19 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Tis better to remain quiet and thought a fool, then to speak out and remove all doubt.



Takes one to know one! Woo hoo! [swish]

(obscure Homer Simpson quote)
tonygraz Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Jan 12 2016, 4:08 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Tis better to remain quiet and thought a fool, then to speak out and remove all doubt.



It would be good if you practiced what you preach.
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#47 Posted: Tue, Jan 12 2016, 7:53 PM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
Ha!


I understand perfectly and my "vision" on conservatism would make Superman jealous.

But I'll bite, who are the "real conservatives" in the political realm that you respect?

Your vision sir, is what superman sees when he looks at lead. And he would not feel jealousy in your regard if you were Lois Lane kissing Lex Luthur.

(I would like to take a moment and apologized to my fellow Cbid posters for the suggested and repulsive image of TBG dresses as Lois Lane. I fully realize that it now cannot be "unseen"and will likely haunt the dark corners of your mind. Again, please accept my apology in this matter.)

Cbid is more conservative than not. And most, in true conservative form, discuss and debate. As opposed to your simple poop slinging, labeling, and general vitriol toward those who differ with your rather narrow field of view. Where they argue points in earnest, you foster dissension. So while your views may have there roots in conservatism, your attitudes are those of an extremist.
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#48 Posted: Tue, Jan 12 2016, 8:36 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Takes one to know one! Woo hoo! [swish]

(obscure Homer Simpson quote)

between this post and "not it" from another thread, you have me grinning like a idiot.


1,2,3,
NOT IT!
Speyside Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Jan 12 2016, 8:38 PM EST
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Guns don't kill people, people do. And monkeys do to-if they have a gun.


OK, I know, wrong OP, but an Eddie Izzard one liner seemed appropriate.
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Apes not Kill Apes... Not talking
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