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Buckwheat Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 1:57 PM EST
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35405636

Plus, that's one big ass glass of wine. Sarcasm
victor809 Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 2:56 PM EST
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.... thems some pretty loud crickets here....
gummy jones Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 3:06 PM EST
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Quote:
It is legal to accept reimbursement for the costs of providing tissue, but the videos depicted tissue donation as a marketised area where illegal trafficking in organs was distorting abortion practices - something the grand jury did not accept was happening.

seems like a major grey area open to interpretation

Quote:
In one, Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood's senior director of medical research, tells the filmmakers that abortion doctors can adjust their methods to leave organs intact.
"We've been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I'm not gonna crush that part, I'm gonna basically crush below, I'm gonna crush above, and I'm gonna see if I can get it all intact," Ms Nucatola said in the video.

seems convenient


not sure anything i read in that article changes anything. just a lot of people in the baby killing business butt hurt after their own tactics are used against them. people on the side of abortion will see it as reassurance of the valiant effort by crusaders of womens rights whereas those who support life will be steadfast that whether you throw it in the dumpster or eat it or whatever killing a baby is killing a baby.

either way im glad my tax dollars support the industry Sarcasm
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 4:19 PM EST
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Interesting what you pulled from that.
Mithrandir Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 4:34 PM EST
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This brings up an interesting issue that has pizzzzd me off for years. Too much suing and bs going on. Why not make it law that if you sue a person, company, gov't etc......, be prepared to pay court costs if you loseram27bat
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 5:18 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
just a lot of people in the baby killing business butt hurt after their own tactics are used against them.



....I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that planned parenthood's own tactics are being used against them...

I had not read the article about planned parenthood spending years creating a fake company in order to try to solicit dead abortion doctor organ donations and videotaping it, then when unable to get anyone willing to break the law on video, splicing a bunch of tape together to make it seem like they did....

.... on another note, how are they butt-hurt? Did it just make you feel better to phrase it like that? Because it doesn't look like they did anything. They got brought up on charges, a grand jury looked at it, said it didn't make sense and indicted the individuals who incited the entire thing.
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tonygraz Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 7:01 PM EST
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Good that the page can't be found ?
gummy jones Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 7:55 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
....I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that planned parenthood's own tactics are being used against them...

I had not read the article about planned parenthood spending years creating a fake company in order to try to solicit dead abortion doctor organ donations and videotaping it, then when unable to get anyone willing to break the law on video, splicing a bunch of tape together to make it seem like they did....

.... on another note, how are they butt-hurt? Did it just make you feel better to phrase it like that? Because it doesn't look like they did anything. They got brought up on charges, a grand jury looked at it, said it didn't make sense and indicted the individuals who incited the entire thing.


i guess i could have worded that better…funny that is what you took out of my post
i have seen countless "under cover" videos out of libs with sleazy tactics
heck, some have made a ton of money over them

it is those very people who are the most up in arms over this venture

just makes me laugh

either way, not sure any of this foolishness is worth my tax dollars
ymmv
victor809 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 8:07 PM EST
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None of the foolishness itself is worth our tax dollars... But I do think making sure there are fewer unwanted infants in this world (through either contraception or abortion) is worth our tax dollars. It's a net positive.... Less tax dollars going to welfare kids those infants would become.

Either way. Both sides are always playing a "gotcha" game. But I'm pretty sure none of the sleazy lib videos were spliced like this. The ones I've seen have just been tape captured at unfortunate moments for politicians.... Not the ridiculous attempts at entrapment (failed attempts I might add) we see in this silliness.
gummy jones Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 8:13 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
None of the foolishness itself is worth our tax dollars... But I do think making sure there are fewer unwanted infants in this world (through either contraception or abortion) is worth our tax dollars. It's a net positive.... Less tax dollars going to welfare kids those infants would become.

Either way. Both sides are always playing a "gotcha" game. But I'm pretty sure none of the sleazy lib videos were spliced like this. The ones I've seen have just been tape captured at unfortunate moments for politicians.... Not the ridiculous attempts at entrapment (failed attempts I might add) we see in this silliness.


so contraception and abortion are completely different…like apples and oranges

maybe you need to do better research on sleazy videos?

there are plenty of unwanted infants, kids, adolescent, adults, elderly, etc in the world

but the crazy thing about a constitutional republic is that there is liberty for both the minority and the majority, the weak and the strong

the abortion industry supports a narrative but does not support inalienable rights

further, i can make a better case that many adults are more of a proven drain on a society than someone who hasn't even had a chance to make the right/wrong life decisions. but i digress.
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 8:18 PM EST
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If planned parenthood is doing similar videos I'd support similar charges.
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 8:25 PM EST
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I fully support your desire to post-Natally abort undesirable adults. Never said the tax savings had to stop at infants.

As for your assertion that contraception and abortion are completely different... That depends a LOT on the type of contraception... Functions of IUDs and some birth control pills is to prevent implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterine lining.... In those cases you're just talking a difference in timing, not really much else (caveat, I'm not an OB)...

As for sleazy videos, you're right m I probably haven't seen many from the left. One of the side effects of being here is I see more of the ridiculous and stupid stuff from the right than from the left. Feel free to provide some examples.
gummy jones Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 8:37 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I fully support your desire to post-Natally abort undesirable adults. Never said the tax savings had to stop at infants.

As for your assertion that contraception and abortion are completely different... That depends a LOT on the type of contraception... Functions of IUDs and some birth control pills is to prevent implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterine lining.... In those cases you're just talking a difference in timing, not really much else (caveat, I'm not an OB)...

As for sleazy videos, you're right m I probably haven't seen many from the left. One of the side effects of being here is I see more of the ridiculous and stupid stuff from the right than from the left. Feel free to provide some examples.


our eugenics society is interviewing for our determination board. feel free to submit a your cv and "why i want to be on the death panel" essay and maybe you too can share in the fun.

maybe read up a little bit on iuds. they do things other than prevent implantation and are, to the best of my knowledge, considered contraceptives not abortifacients. further, i think most would agree that a blastocyst that may or may not successfully implant is different than a 10 week old baby with a healthy placenta. sucking the brain out of the latter just feels different to me than decreasing the chance of implantation of the former. but heck, I'm just a simple guy who probably doesn't understand.

and no, I'm not posting an entire mike fatso moore movie on the forum Drool
victor809 Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Jan 26 2016, 9:53 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
our eugenics society is interviewing for our determination board. feel free to submit a your cv and "why i want to be on the death panel" essay and maybe you too can share in the fun.

maybe read up a little bit on iuds. they do things other than prevent implantation and are, to the best of my knowledge, considered contraceptives not abortifacients. further, i think most would agree that a blastocyst that may or may not successfully implant is different than a 10 week old baby with a healthy placenta. sucking the brain out of the latter just feels different to me than decreasing the chance of implantation of the former. but heck, I'm just a simple guy who probably doesn't understand.

and no, I'm not posting an entire mike fatso moore movie on the forum Drool


Do I send you the cv directly or do I have to go through eugenics hr?
IUDs do more than just prevent implantation, but that's based off the added hormones (or function of copper). But that doesn't change the fact that their design (as opposed to a Nuvo ring type device) is to prevent implantation. Since you can't differentiate between pregnancies which don't happen b/c because of the drugs vs the design... Being ok with the fact that some percentage occur due to the prevented implantation is being ok with the idea that all of them occur due to that. This is the same as with some pills.

As for your "sucking the brain out of a 10 wk fetus..".... I think you overestimate the procedure. At 10 weeks we're talking a quick vacuum job.
tonygraz Offline
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True, True.
TMCTLT Offline
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victor809 wrote:
None of the foolishness itself is worth our tax dollars... But I do think making sure there are fewer unwanted infants in this world (through either contraception or abortion) is worth our tax dollars. It's a net positive.... Less tax dollars going to welfare kids those infants would become.

Either way. Both sides are always playing a "gotcha" game. But I'm pretty sure none of the sleazy lib videos were spliced like this. The ones I've seen have just been tape captured at unfortunate moments for politicians.... Not the ridiculous attempts at entrapment (failed attempts I might add) we see in this silliness.




WOW....talk about a MONSTER assumption that none of these children could possibly end up adopted and enjoy every opportunity to be.....more productive and less F*d in the head as you is really out there!!!!
Good thing for you your Mother didn't share your views eh?????




I'll just leave this.....right here

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/26/five-things-the-liberal-media-wont-tell-you-about-the-cmp-indictment/
cacman Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 11:28 AM EST
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So the organization actually sold human tissue, but the people who bought it are indicted for falsifying ID's and documents?!?!
victor809 Offline
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cacman wrote:
So the organization actually sold human tissue, but the people who bought it are indicted for falsifying ID's and documents?!?!


Didn't read anything at all about this did you....
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#20 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 11:39 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
WOW....talk about a MONSTER assumption that none of these children could possibly end up adopted and enjoy every opportunity to be.....more productive and less F*d in the head as you is really out there!!!!
Good thing for you your Mother didn't share your views eh?????


Everything in our lives is "good for you". It's "good for me" that I even managed to become a fertilized egg. It's "good for me" that my parents didn't accidentally wreck the car when I was an infant. It was "good for me" that the plane I was on Mon didn't fall out of the sky. It will be "good for me" that it won't tomorrow either. Or Friday. Or Sunday.

Every stupid person on the planet today is a collection of fortunate instances where things didn't happen that could have killed them. singling out one item is simply a failure in the ability to understand numbers and an attempt to take the discussion out of a logical and rational position and into something personal and stupid.

As for my assumption about the potential of unwanted children... it's based on statistics. Of course one has the potential individually to contribute more than you to society. But as a whole there is a net loss. sinking a bunch of cash into a net loss proposition, so that you give each one of them the opportunity to be someone great, when statistics say very few will be... well that's some libtard welfare thinking right there. You go on with your nanny state, conservatives like myself prefer to keep an eye on the bottom line.
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#21 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 11:44 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Everything in our lives is "good for you". It's "good for me" that I even managed to become a fertilized egg. It's "good for me" that my parents didn't accidentally wreck the car when I was an infant. It was "good for me" that the plane I was on Mon didn't fall out of the sky. It will be "good for me" that it won't tomorrow either. Or Friday. Or Sunday.

Every stupid person on the planet today is a collection of fortunate instances where things didn't happen that could have killed them. singling out one item is simply a failure in the ability to understand numbers and an attempt to take the discussion out of a logical and rational position and into something personal and stupid.

As for my assumption about the potential of unwanted children... it's based on statistics. Of course one has the potential individually to contribute more than you to society. But as a whole there is a net loss. sinking a bunch of cash into a net loss proposition, so that you give each one of them the opportunity to be someone great, when statistics say very few will be... well that's some libtard welfare thinking right there. You go on with your nanny state, conservatives like myself prefer to keep an eye on the bottom line.



You REALLY are one screwed in the head individual......take your ASSumptions and statistics and sick view of conservatism and stick them.
Speyside Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 11:47 AM EST
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Back to the OP, it will be interesting to see if there are any convictions.
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#23 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 12:29 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Everything in our lives is "good for you". It's "good for me" that I even managed to become a fertilized egg. It's "good for me" that my parents didn't accidentally wreck the car when I was an infant. It was "good for me" that the plane I was on Mon didn't fall out of the sky. It will be "good for me" that it won't tomorrow either. Or Friday. Or Sunday.

Every stupid person on the planet today is a collection of fortunate instances where things didn't happen that could have killed them. singling out one item is simply a failure in the ability to understand numbers and an attempt to take the discussion out of a logical and rational position and into something personal and stupid.

As for my assumption about the potential of unwanted children... it's based on statistics. Of course one has the potential individually to contribute more than you to society. But as a whole there is a net loss. sinking a bunch of cash into a net loss proposition, so that you give each one of them the opportunity to be someone great, when statistics say very few will be... well that's some libtard welfare thinking right there. You go on with your nanny state, conservatives like myself prefer to keep an eye on the bottom line.

Beer
victor809 Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
You REALLY are one screwed in the head individual......take your ASSumptions and statistics and sick view of conservatism and stick them.


I'm sorry... are you not fiscally conservative? ... funny that you'd lump "assumptions' and "statistics" in the same category... you really must not understand either.

You and your welfare state can go to communist russia.... damn libtards.
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Does Russia still want communists?
Buckwheat Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 12:43 PM EST
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Why isn't anyone talking about the BIG ASS GLASS OF WINE? Brick wall
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 12:44 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Does Russia still want communists?


I was gonna go with communist china, but that was a bit too contradictory with the one child policy...

I suppose he can just go to socialist nanny state europe.... where they'll support all the welfare babies he wants to force people to have....
victor809 Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 12:45 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Why isn't anyone talking about the BIG ASS GLASS OF WINE? Brick wall


Meh... I've poured myself bigger... :)
bgz Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 1:32 PM EST
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Victor and I have agreed on this stance before, and I'm happy to say, I still agree with him!

An abortion now saves literally thousands of dollars over the course of the average unwanted child's life time.

If we ignore the religion argument, and throw the whole liberal idea of "everyone deserves a shot" argument out...

Then the only valid argument for being against abortions is to have a steady stream of low income labor going forward.

I think there would still be plenty though, because we're not running low on welfare queens any time soon.
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#30 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 1:35 PM EST
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My guess is none of these current charges will stick.

The whole thing is stupid and has been since these idiots put out their edited video and the sheep followed.
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#31 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 2:06 PM EST
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bgz wrote:


Then the only valid argument for being against abortions is to have a steady stream of low income labor going forward.



Oh man.... I do really like low income labor....


nope.... I'm sticking to my guns. :)
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#32 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 2:11 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Victor and I have agreed on this stance before, and I'm happy to say, I still agree with him!

An abortion now saves literally thousands of dollars over the course of the average unwanted child's life time.

If we ignore the religion argument, and throw the whole liberal idea of "everyone deserves a shot" argument out...

Then the only valid argument for being against abortions is to have a steady stream of low income labor going forward.

I think there would still be plenty though, because we're not running low on welfare queens any time soon.


Actually, if you ignore the biology of it as well.

Face it: there isn't a market for the body parts of a fetus because it ISN'T a human.

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#33 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 2:12 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Oh man.... I do really like low income labor....


nope.... I'm sticking to my guns. :)


Better hide those guns if Bernie or Hillary get elected...
bgz Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 2:42 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Actually, if you ignore the biology of it as well.

Face it: there isn't a market for the body parts of a fetus because it ISN'T a human.



I'm not opposed to selling biological matter that would otherwise be discarded.

People/organizations interested in such biological matter would want it for scientific studies that could potentially lead to major technological breakthroughs.

You are correct, we should encourage people to have more abortions so we can do more science.

You're a genius!
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#35 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 2:53 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I'm not opposed to selling biological matter that would otherwise be discarded.

People/organizations interested in such biological matter would want it for scientific studies that could potentially lead to major technological breakthroughs.

You are correct, we should encourage people to have more abortions so we can do more science.

You're a genius!


Hehehe

I am pretty sure you can make a whole new shakeys pizza if you get enough baby parts.
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#36 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 3:05 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Hehehe

I am pretty sure you can make a whole new shakeys pizza if you get enough baby parts.


lol
tailgater Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 3:45 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I'm not opposed to selling biological matter that would otherwise be discarded.

People/organizations interested in such biological matter would want it for scientific studies that could potentially lead to major technological breakthroughs.

You are correct, we should encourage people to have more abortions so we can do more science.

You're a genius!


Yes.
Let's kill unborn children so we MIGHT be able to POTENTIALLY learn something that could POSSIBLY lead to a breakthrough of sorts.

You've fallen hook, line and sinker.
bgz Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 3:58 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Yes.
Let's kill unborn children so we MIGHT be able to POTENTIALLY learn something that could POSSIBLY lead to a breakthrough of sorts.

You've fallen hook, line and sinker.



That's gotta be one of the most redundant statements I've ever seen.

I'm not sure what you assume I've fallen for... I have a very analytical brain, and my positions can be viewed by some as... for a lack of a better word, callous.

Bottom line, if the mother wants to abort her kid and doesn't want to support it, I don't want to support it either.

If some scientist wants to dissect and analyze it, I'm all for it. Better than throwing it down the garbage disposal.
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#39 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 4:00 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Better than throwing it down the garbage disposal.


I heard that if you use a blender there's no calories and it's healthier...
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#40 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 4:07 PM EST
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dead baby in a blender..?? seems like I've heard of this before... Think
bgz Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 4:11 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I heard that if you use a blender there's no calories and it's healthier...


Aborted Fetal Smoothy

Would be a great name for a death metal band!
DrafterX Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 4:15 PM EST
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or Tom Cruise's next kid... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 4:15 PM EST
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I use almond milk in mine because I'm super health conscious...
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#44 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 4:16 PM EST
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Do you know how many almonds have to die to make a quart of milk..?? Shame on you
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#45 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 4:17 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I use almond milk in mine because I'm super health conscious...

Don't forget the protein powder.
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"Man charged with crime for illegally buying drugs and guns, seller let go by district attorney."
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#47 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 4:21 PM EST
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I think protein is covered by the base contents and the almond milk.

Instead of protein powder, might want to throw some flax seed or quinoa in there, maybe a little spinach to help digest the bone meal.
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#48 Posted: Wed, Jan 27 2016, 4:24 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
"Man charged with crime for illegally buying drugs and guns, seller let go by district attorney."


That's simply not accurate.

More accurately, "Man charged with crime after walking into a pharmacy and asking to buy Methadone without a prescription. Pharmacy refused to sell it. "

You do realize that planned parenthood never sold any fetal tissue, right? They didn't even agree to sell it.
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#49 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 9:12 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
That's gotta be one of the most redundant statements I've ever seen.

I'm not sure what you assume I've fallen for... I have a very analytical brain, and my positions can be viewed by some as... for a lack of a better word, callous.

Bottom line, if the mother wants to abort her kid and doesn't want to support it, I don't want to support it either.

If some scientist wants to dissect and analyze it, I'm all for it. Better than throwing it down the garbage disposal.


So which is it?
Do you accept the fact that it's an unborn child and simply don't care? (as you state above)
Or do you think it's just a fetus (therefore not a person) and religion is the only reason why somebody would be against aborting it? (as you stated earlier)
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#50 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 9:17 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:


You do realize that planned parenthood never sold any fetal tissue, right? They didn't even agree to sell it.


Is this true?
Was it determined that they didn't sell, or was there simply insufficient evidence to prove they did?
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