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QMPASH Offline
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Frying pan Up to now, polticians have been having a party at our expense. They run for office financed by people who want something in return for their money and they always get it. The people who run for office are people who have proven to the establishment that they will play ball. After being elected they fullfill most, if not all of their promises to their backers and rarely to the people who cast their votes for them. Trump has changed the landscape. He is an outsider who is beholden to nobody and owes no favors. He is a political neophyte who says what is on his mind, not what he thinks people want him to say. Compare that to Hillary who has been on all sides of Al.pay every issue and still,insists that she has been consistent over the years on every issue. How many candidates have you heard tell you what they would do about illegal immigration, Iran or North Korea and the loss of American jobs to 3d world countries? Only one and his name is Donald Trump.
teedubbya Offline
#2 Posted:
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And yet he readily admits he has been knee deep in both parties financially and otherwise for all of his adult life and if you believe Trump has changed from the self centered blowhard he has always been to someone who is worried about everyone else so he is not doing this for personal gain then there is a bridge in his hometown I'd love to sell you. He is a modern PT Barnum and some still believe in the bearded lady and the shrunken heads.
tonygraz Offline
#3 Posted:
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The only similarity between the Truth and Trump are the first 3 letters. First thing one should do is assume anything Trump says is a lie until proven otherwise.
bgz Offline
#4 Posted:
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Do cops not make the best criminals?

Do hackers not make the best security personnel?

Who would be better at patching loopholes than someone who's already made their fortune exploiting them?

I'm interested in the outcome, if anything just as a grand experiment.

Worst case scenario, is he is really bad like so many people think, and he's ejected in four years.

Best case scenario, he's actually sincere and really does want to help America and sets the bar for non-establishment candidates in the future.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,554
QMPASH wrote:
Frying pan Up to now, polticians have been having a party at our expense. They run for office financed by people who want something in return for their money and they always get it. The people who run for office are people who have proven to the establishment that they will play ball. After being elected they fullfill most, if not all of their promises to their backers and rarely to the people who cast their votes for them. Trump has changed the landscape. He is an outsider who is beholden to nobody and owes no favors. He is a political neophyte who says what is on his mind, not what he thinks people want him to say. Compare that to Hillary who has been on all sides of Al.pay every issue and still,insists that she has been consistent over the years on every issue. How many candidates have you heard tell you what they would do about illegal immigration, Iran or North Korea and the loss of American jobs to 3d world countries? Only one and his name is Donald Trump.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA

Everyone likes to forget about H. Ross Perot.

Why just imagine if all of his ideas had been implemented?

Yeah.


Sorry, but the problem with Donald Trump is lack of experience. We've already seen what OJT training gets a nation and we can hardly afford another administration with training wheels. Clinton talks a good game but she created the Arab Spring and handpicked the Ambassador she let get killed in Libya...all the while we had jets and a response team enroute that was called off. Sanders? He wants to bring the boys home and stop the endless wars and perhaps the blowback created from them.

Not being beholden to anyone means he's beholden to himself and seeing as how he's a businessman...I trust him to take care of his own business and those that cozy up to him. That kind of makes him unanswerable to anyone. That's a BIG problem.

I get the whole radical we gotta dump the establishment candidates...but Trump is NOT the savior he's being painted out to be. You...me...and every other taxpayer is paying for his election. You really think he's paying for it? Silly people.

While I do trust him to negotiate trade deals that have killed this nation like NAFTA and the TPP shoe in, he cannot do it by himself. It would have to go through the Legislative Branch. The GOP that he's running under now want's to keelhaul him and the other party is running two candidates...well, one he calls a rabid dog and the other one calls him a liar. Then there's the entire party...do you really think he's going to get anything through that doesn't cost him or keep the can kicking or worse yet the stalling and doing nothing from happening? Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate would have a better shot at enacting legislation than Trump.

So while people are beating each other up at the rallies, and shouting about how great America can be again it might be useful to actually reflect on the negatives Trump brings to the party. Speaking of which...both Democrat candidates today soundly beat him in a head to head national election.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2905900/polls-hillary-clinton-loses-to-every-gop-candidate-except-one/

http://us.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/index.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html#!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

It's not all unicorns, rainbows and lollipops.
drywalldog Offline
#6 Posted:
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Elect criminals, it's our best way out.
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted:
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screw trump. The Rs deserve him
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted:
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It's like people immediately forgot who and what he is out of convenience.
MACS Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
It's like people immediately forgot who and what he is out of convenience.


So of the choices we have to make, who would you pick? Are you afraid to say, because then you couldn't have that fence post squarely up your ass?
tailgater Offline
#10 Posted:
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Hmmmm.
Fence post.
-TW


teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted:
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Not at all I've already said and have been clear. I voted for kaisich in the primary last week I will not vote for trump or Cruz. I would have voted for any of the 17/18 Rs running except for Trump or Cruz. If trump wins the primary I vote third party, if Cruz wns I vote Hillary. I've said as much several times for months. Clear enough for you MACS? I've not been ambiguous at all.
teedubbya Offline
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And before any moron says a vote for so and so is really a vote for someone else.... STFU tha stupid. I voted for Kaisich because I like him and he's the only one left I don't find embarrassing. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted:
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for the record, Paul Pierce is The Truth
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted:
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I thought it was some Williams dude.
MACS Offline
#15 Posted:
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Meh. I didn't dislike Kasich.

But really... for a guy who loves to claim he's conservative, a vote for Hillary? No way on God's green Earth I'd ever vote for that c*nt.

Edit: If you've said, I never saw it. Only saw you belittling other people's opinions in your snarky way. But to be fair, I don't read all the tripe in this forum.
ZRX1200 Offline
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At least he's snarky, Victor lacks that tact when belittling people here. Maybe teedubya's dad DID beat him enough after all.
teedubbya Offline
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I've said it many times.

As for questioning if I'm conservative or not based on being forced to vote Hillary in one specific scenario ....... I said quite awhile ago there were three people and three only that could drive me to the point of voting for her. Trump, Cruz, and Satan. I've since softened on trump and would merely vote third party. So now it's satan and Cruz. I said it when there were double digit candidates.

It's not my fault if the crazies pick a dill doe as the candidate but I won't blindly follow suit. Trump is not conservative. He's telling you he is now but it's new to him. I've said enough about Cruz to not repeat but I believe his self proclamation of being the only conservative and the most religious is a false narrative as well. To be honest real conservatives should dislike both. Cruz trying to compare himself to Reagan is nauseating.
teedubbya Offline
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As for voting Hillary over Cruz that would be my way of sending the republican a message that they are broken and I would hope it would help them if they lost miserably and hopefully the downstream tickets would fail too. Collosal failure may be what it takes. Combine that with the fact I do not believe Cruz can win the general and if he Di he would be an unmitigated disaster and it's an easy choice actually. I'd vote Hillary in a heartbeat over Cruz.
tonygraz Offline
#19 Posted:
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RIP Carl "the Truth" Williams died in 2013. Fought Mike Tyson and was KOed in the first round.
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted:
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There is a piece of me that thinks the Trump or cruise supporters are doing so because they want a complete disaster and they want the Republican Party to fail miserably. Not all of them but some of them must certainly see and embrace the upcoming train wreck.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted:
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I honestly beleive the only way Hillary can win is if we run trump or Cruz and it pisses me off we are accommodating them.
teddyballgame Offline
#22 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
First thing one should do is assume anything Obama says is a lie until proven otherwise.





fixed it for ya ThumpUp


You could also replace Obama with Clinton and you would be covered.
(which is exactly what the Dems are trying to do)
teddyballgame Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
As for voting Hillary over Cruz that would be my way of sending the republican a message that they are broken and I would hope it would help them if they lost miserably and hopefully the downstream tickets would fail too. Collosal failure may be what it takes. Combine that with the fact I do not believe Cruz can win the general and if he Di he would be an unmitigated disaster and it's an easy choice actually. I'd vote Hillary in a heartbeat over Cruz.



We already had colossal failure in the Republican party when Bush had the WH, the Rep. had the Senate and the House and then acted like the Democrat Party and spent us into oblivion. The Rep. party then got shellacked and lost both House and Senate and this gave rise to the Tea Party in Bush's 2nd term and accelerated and gained major traction with the election of the current president.

The establishment Repubs think just like you Teeddubbya, so embrace your love of that same thinking.

Embrace it, go third party and try to inflict Hillary on the country and further entrench Obama's policies on the country so it makes it impossible to ever get rid of them. Hell just vote for Hillary.

Check your premise, you have faulty logic. But then again you think that Reagan wouldn't be able to get the nomination of the party when he would mop the floor today.

You have shown your true colors and they make you look clownish.

The repub party is broken, and it is because of guys that think like you.
tonygraz Offline
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Actually I think guys like you and that slimball Cruz are more at fault for breaking the pube party
teedubbya Offline
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Reagan wouldn't get out of the primaries with his actual factual platform. He might with the make beleive one you created for him. Interestingly enough I saw someone on the circuit articulate the same thing this weekend.

Any republican or other party but Cruz or Trump are better than Hillary. Cruz and trump simply are not.
teedubbya Offline
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"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally," he said.

Whoopsie. I guess this campaign went the way of Rubio and the gang of 8. Thanks for playing. Rubio was a tea party darling who did less and was pilloried for it. Cruz would ream anyone for saying this (in the debate with Mondale) as would most in here.

The parties litmus test has moved way right of Reagan. Would Reagan have moved with it? Maybe but that's fantasy land. All we have is what he really said and did. The rest is a creation of the mind.
teddyballgame Offline
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Then again you are not comparing apples to apples. The congress lied to Reagan in where they were to strictly enforce immigration laws and work to ensure tougher borders. There was massive document fraud and, like any government program, they underestimated the numbers that would apply for amnesty.

Also, it was a relatively small illegal immigrant population compared to the massive state it is in now. Pin that too the terrorist attacks and you think Reagan wouldn't learn from what has happened since 86?

Here is a piece from Ed Meese, counselor to Reagan, and since he KNEW the man, he is more qualified than you or I to read any Reagan tea leaves:

http://humanevents.com/2006/12/13/reagan-would-not-repeat-amnesty-mistake/

Unlike Obama, Reagan would have realized that history did not start with him. He learned from what has worked and hasn't in the past.
teedubbya Offline
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That was just one example and Simpson disagrees with Meese. That said would could should is pure conjecture compared to did. One is opinion the other fact. I'll be on the side of fact in any argument. I believe Reagan meant what he said in the debate which doesn't reference enforcement. It's a pretty clear statement that would doom him now. That clip and that clip alone would become an incessant droning noise even if it was followed by we need more enforcement. I beleive in the idea of amnesty....... The idea of amnesty is completely off the table now even if enforcement is clamped down. It's akin to a R saying I want to raise taxes. DOA. Rubio proved that.

There are many other examples other than immigration too. But it's not worth it. You are convinced Reagan would have morphed from what he was and said to suit the ideals you have now. I disagree. You think Reagan would be exclusionary and uncompromising, I disagree. I think he was what he was and there is not much mystery there. We have fact or conjecture.

Meh. It doesn't matter. He's gone. But much like the Democratic Party left him, I beleive today's Republican Party left him as well and not in the way you think. I think he'd be mortified by Trump and Cruz. I believe Nancy was from what I read. But we'll never know.

Meh.
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted:
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Reagan is something I look fondly back on but something not likely repeated in this environment. 24/7 news and social media alone make that unlikely. We want more kardasians. Flavor of the day.
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#30 Posted:
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The only truth you need...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rZRO2jL7kqc
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted:
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I also miss James Baker. Howard too.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
At least he's snarky, Victor lacks that tact when belittling people here. Maybe teedubya's dad DID beat him enough after all.


What? Are you saying I should run for the Republican primary?



On a more serious note... if you intend to belittle someone, why would you bother being tactful? To avoid hurting the feelings of someone you are intentionally belittling? Is that what passes for logic in that little pin-head of yours? (see what I did there?)
teddyballgame Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
Actually I think guys like you and that slimball Cruz are more at fault for breaking the pube party



tony, you are a liberal drone, and therefore not rooted in logic or reason. So forgive me if I disregard what you think is going on in the Republican party.
tonygraz Offline
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T-ball, you are an idiot and shouldn't be anywhere near childrens' education.
tonygraz Offline
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Fact check (for those who believe in facts):

http://www.startribune.com/assessing-the-candidates-overall-truthfulness/372603041/
teddyballgame Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
T-ball, you are an idiot and shouldn't be anywhere near childrens' education.



Don't worry, I won't try and educate your 5th grade view of the world. You are a lost cause.

But you are blissful, right?



5168
MACS Offline
#37 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
T-ball, you are an idiot and shouldn't be anywhere near childrens' liberal brainwashing.


FIFY
victor809 Offline
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MACS wrote:
FIFY


.... hmmm.... so you believe he's an idiot, but if he weren't an idiot, you'd want him to be involved in children's liberal brainwashing?


I don't think you fixed that how you wanted to fix that.
teedubbya Offline
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MACS Offline
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victor809 wrote:
.... hmmm.... so you believe he's an idiot, but if he weren't an idiot, you'd want him to be involved in children's liberal brainwashing?


I don't think you fixed that how you wanted to fix that.


I think you know what I mean, but perhaps I give you too much credit for intelligence.

Whatevah...
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MACS wrote:
I think you know what I mean, but perhaps I give you too much credit for intelligence.

Whatevah...


Hey... you're the grammar nazi of this board. I've seen you give other people all sorts of crap for improperly constructed sentences.
MACS Offline
#42 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Hey... you're the grammar nazi of this board. I've seen you give other people all sorts of crap for improperly constructed sentences.


I didn't write the sentence. I just changed "education" to "liberal brainwashing".

But I admire your attempt at redirection. Well played, sir.
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Not trying to redirect anything MACS. I just was trying to point out (perhaps I failed at it) that even though you were going to "fix" a sentence to replace "education" with "brainwashing", you still fully intended to keep " T-ball, you're an idiot... "

I just was pointing that out because I found it funny.
MACS Offline
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I suppose I could have corrected that. But I don't really know him, so maybe he is, and maybe he isn't.

The fact that he argues with you, brewha, and tonygraz all the time has me wondering if maybe he is. When you argue with fools it's tough for people on the outside to tell who is who, ya know?
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MACS wrote:
I suppose I could have corrected that. But I don't really know him, so maybe he is, and maybe he isn't.

The fact that he argues with you, brewha, and tonygraz all the time has me wondering if maybe he is. When you argue with fools it's tough for people on the outside to tell who is who, ya know?


So my amusement at your fix stands...

You continued to question his intelligence, and contrasted that against something which I assume you'd rather not have happen (brainwashing of children)....

The direct statement is that idiots shouldn't be around the liberal brainwashing of children.
The implication is that you'd like smart people to be liberally brainwashing children. (yes, I know that's an incorrect turn of phrase, it is intentional because I think it's funny)

Hence, I simply stated that I didn't think you'd fixed it how you wanted to fix it.

Seriously... nothing more or less there than I wrote.
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MACS wrote:
I suppose I could have corrected that. But I don't really know him, so maybe he is, and maybe he isn't.

The fact that he argues with you, brewha, and tonygraz all the time has me wondering if maybe he is. When you argue with fools it's tough for people on the outside to tell who is who, ya know?

MACS, I think the implication that Teddyball argues with me is giving him undue credit....
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As a generalization the OP has been rather entertaining.
Brewha Offline
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Speyside wrote:
As a generalization the OP has been rather entertaining.

Considering that the apparent takeaway from Trumps campaign is that he is truthful - yeah, the OP's a knee slapper....

But I do understand the appeal of a loose cannon.
He'll clean up the nation of those dirty Mexicans.
Unshackling buisness and banks from pointless regulations.
Put the loudmouth women and the rest of them in their place.
And implementing the final solutions to the Jews.

Oops, too soon for the last one???
MACS Offline
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victor809 wrote:
So my amusement at your fix stands...

You continued to question his intelligence, and contrasted that against something which I assume you'd rather not have happen (brainwashing of children)....

The direct statement is that idiots shouldn't be around the liberal brainwashing of children.
The implication is that you'd like smart people to be liberally brainwashing children. (yes, I know that's an incorrect turn of phrase, it is intentional because I think it's funny)

Hence, I simply stated that I didn't think you'd fixed it how you wanted to fix it.

Seriously... nothing more or less there than I wrote.


This looks like a job for Teddyballgame... I ain't gonna argue.
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MACS wrote:
This looks like a job for Teddyballgame... I ain't gonna argue.


He's just gonna scream about liberals and grammar... probably wave a his pair of Ted Cruz tighty-whiteys on a stick like a flag and flagellate himself to the second coming of reagan.



.... or something like that.
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