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Isis Brussels- Is it time yet for U.S/Allied boots on the ground?
rfenst Offline
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discuss...
Gene363 Offline
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Yes, we should invade Brussels as soon as possible.
Burner02 Offline
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Not happening, spring time and to much golf to be played.
teedubbya Offline
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No
Gene363 Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
Not happening, spring time and to much golf to be played.


Dammit! Good point though, November might just be the perfect time.
Brewha Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
No

+1
Speyside Offline
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One could argue that boots on the ground destabilized Iraq, leading to the formation of ISIS. Boots on the ground did not eliminate al-Queda or the Taliban. Why would boots on the ground be any more effective with ISIS?
Burner02 Offline
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A lot more could be done from the air if certain folks got their heads out of their azzzz.
jjanecka Offline
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Boots on the ground require 50-60 years like we did in WWII with Europe and Japan. That's the only way to keep them stable.
frankj1 Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
A lot more could be done from the air if certain folks got their heads out of their azzzz.

lots of jokes, but I am serious when I say ISIS has no country to bomb.
Burner02 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
but I am serious when I say ISIS has no country to bomb.


That would be true but I stand by my statement.
riverdog Offline
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Speyside wrote:
One could argue that boots on the ground destabilized Iraq, leading to the formation of ISIS. Boots on the ground did not eliminate al-Queda or the Taliban. Why would boots on the ground be any more effective with ISIS?

Giddy up.
tailgater Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
That would be true but I stand by my statement.


Ok. I'll bite.
Who would you bomb from the air?

gummy jones Offline
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europe needs to wake up while they still have a little time
all cultures are not equal regardless of what the post modern humanistic multiculturalists say
ZRX1200 Offline
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ISIS/ISIL aren't a nation or a standing army.

I have no qualms NOT including them in the Geneva Convention.

I do however have issues with OUR civil rights being eroded to "get the bad guys" (how many has the TSA stopped? How many TSA have acted inappropriately? ) leave our electronic data alone, get a warrant.

I also have an issue with Americans being droned over seas with no due process.

Find a place where these things fit and America will feel like it did on 9-12.
teedubbya Offline
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From a purely non-emotional non-humanistic point of view I wonder what the actuarial cost of those 3000 lives on 9/11 was based on the extreme overreaction we have had as a country. To hear the rhetoric you would think that radical Islamic terrorists are running amok in this country and killing right and left.

If an insurance companies bottom line depended on calculating cost benefit for actions taken to prevent the loss of life Vs. the cost of losing a few lives it would be interesting to see the decision. There have been very few American lives lost to radical Islamic terrorism. You could argue that is due to our actions taken if you count 9/12 as the starting point. But if you think time began prior to 9/12 and included 9/11 as part of the total view it paints a different picture. We have decided it is worth an absurd premium, and maybe that is an acceptable decision, but I don't think it's been well thought out. It's another curse of not having cost tied to income or outcome.

A loss of one life is tragic and insurance companies get bagged on all the time for assigning a dollar amount to a life. We put a huge dollar amount on these particular lives, and added our rights as part of the expense. Yet it continues with all of these jackalpoes of both parties running for office pouncing on the Brussels thing and trying to jack up the price in dollars and rights.

This is a subject and policy being driven by emotion over logic which is exactly what the terrorists want/need to be successful. It's also inevitable and they know it. They have defined the battlefield and we are playing on it. They have us chasing cockroaches and blaming each other.
teedubbya Offline
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**** is ok if it is followed by roach?
rfenst Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
**** is ok if it is followed by roach?



Hey man, like you got a roach?
teedubbya Offline
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No man I'm out. But I have a ****.
Burner02 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Ok. I'll bite.
Who would you bomb from the air?




Obvious ISIS targets in Iraq and Syria would include command and control centers, any location where ISIS members are massed in numbers, ISIS terrorist training camps, supply depots, all fuel trucks and possibly oil wells to name a few. The current bombing effort is a joke.

And by chance if we catch the goat fuggers in the open then it is time to unleash the carpet bombing. This is probably a missed opportunity and should have taken place when their convoys were rolling into Iraq over a year ago.
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I bet a smaller icbm missle centered on each middle eastern country's radical epicenter would get most of isis. What do we have to lose, we already own the bombs, it'd basically be free, and we could quit tracking everyone's iPhones.

Sometimes simple is better.
riverdog Offline
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Yup "simple" is right.
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Why a small ICBM? Go big or go home.
sd72 Offline
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We gotta get in there after to get the oil we're not fighting about.
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teedubbya wrote:
From a purely non-emotional non-humanistic point of view I wonder what the actuarial cost of those 3000 lives on 9/11 was based on the extreme overreaction we have had as a country. To hear the rhetoric you would think that radical Islamic terrorists are running amok in this country and killing right and left.

If an insurance companies bottom line depended on calculating cost benefit for actions taken to prevent the loss of life Vs. the cost of losing a few lives it would be interesting to see the decision. There have been very few American lives lost to radical Islamic terrorism. You could argue that is due to our actions taken if you count 9/12 as the starting point. But if you think time began prior to 9/12 and included 9/11 as part of the total view it paints a different picture. We have decided it is worth an absurd premium, and maybe that is an acceptable decision, but I don't think it's been well thought out. It's another curse of not having cost tied to income or outcome.

A loss of one life is tragic and insurance companies get bagged on all the time for assigning a dollar amount to a life. We put a huge dollar amount on these particular lives, and added our rights as part of the expense. Yet it continues with all of these jackalpoes of both parties running for office pouncing on the Brussels thing and trying to jack up the price in dollars and rights.

This is a subject and policy being driven by emotion over logic which is exactly what the terrorists want/need to be successful. It's also inevitable and they know it. They have defined the battlefield and we are playing on it. They have us chasing cockroaches and blaming each other.


I've said something similar. It's an unpopular idea, but the truth.

Hell, I think there's a strange irony to the fact that there is overlap between people who want to spend huge amounts of money preventing a handful of terrorist deaths, are very much against the government spending any money preventing death through government subsidized healthcare. One could argue from a fiscal "bang for your buck" standpoint, sinking the same amount of money into a single payer health care plan could save more lives than you could prevent through whatever military activities we'd perform there.

****** note ***** I am not pro single payer healthcare. I prefer people having to pay huge amounts of money for pharmaceutical drugs because that industry pays me. Do not mistake my saying you could save more lives by sinking money into it as an endorsement of it. I do not necessarily think saving lives is a net positive.
teedubbya Offline
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well in that case then I am wrong and take it all back.
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I think that anyone who wants boots on the ground should go buy some boots and start a volunteer army to do so preferably bringing their own relatives on board.
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Last time I checked Skippy, USAR, USAF, USN, USMC and USCG were all voluntary.

sd72 Offline
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Omg. That's hilarious. Start a volunteer army. Lololol
tailgater Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
I think that anyone who wants boots on the ground should go buy some boots and start a volunteer army to do so preferably bringing their own relatives on board.


Holy crap.
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"Isis Brussels- Is it time yet for U.S/Allied boots on the ground? "


Not until we get a Real President who commits to win swiftly , Decisively with the Best Plans and Equipment available at any cost..
MACS Offline
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Oh sh*t. I just read a teedubbya post and thought... that makes sense.

WTF just happened??!!
frankj1 Offline
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jackconrad wrote:
"Isis Brussels- Is it time yet for U.S/Allied boots on the ground? "


Not until we get a Real President who commits to win swiftly , Decisively with the Best Plans and Equipment available at any cost..

President Cheney?
bs_kwaj Offline
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Trump! Trump!

He's our man

If he can't kill 'em

No one can.


Beer
DrafterX Offline
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“She had her chance to do it. She helped create ISIS. I mean, Hillary Clinton could be considered a founding member of ISIS,”

Think
dstieger Offline
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Boots on the ground is a great idea. The feet in those boots should be attached to every Syrian, Iranian and Iraqi 'refugee' between the ages of 17 and 77. Train them, even arm them and send them back to fight for their own country. Even if its true that 70% of the refugees are women and children.....and even if we only send back men.....30% of 4.5 million would still be.....a lot
DrafterX Offline
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They'd just sell their weapons... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
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Dstieger, I agree.

Also agree with Burner in post #20.

Obummer showed a total lack of leadership allowing this to fester to where it has. Not stopping those convoys was unconscionable, and the oil fields that were funding them should have been immediately bombed. But apparently our current government is more interested in protecting Saudi interests and stopping Russian pipelines.
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