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It does not suprise me, but it does disgust me that both left and right are turning a tragedy into politics as usual.

simply speaking for me, I condemn individuals who do sick and hatefully infused things DESPITE what their professed religions stand for, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu et al...

Man kills people in the name of islam and isis.

The left reacts with, "We have much too easy access to guns."

The right calls, "Bravo Sierra!", in reaction, not to the shooting, but to the reaction of the left, to the shooting. So, to your original point, the right agrees with your concern about the left.

FWIW, shooting people is wrong, be they gay straight or whatever, it throws a grenade of sadness and loss into the family and friends of the dead. This, BTW, also applies to the families affected by USA drone hits in countries all over the world. Even the worst goat humping terrorists has family.


Now if we could be rid of all of them, well:

What if, in the face of a terrorist attack on our soil, we united. United states...has a nice ring to it.

No he's not.
He wasn't asking for new laws. He was pointing out the warped viewpoints and misplaced outrage.

Why would so many be quick to condemn Christianity for a bakers personal decision, while simultaneously defending the Muslim faith when one of theirs uses scripture to murder dozens?

If you're going to be the board contrarian, at least keep up to speed.



Edit: TMLCT nailed it in post #8.
Tolerance. The word is tolerance, and how the left use it selectively.

A white guy shoots blacks, gays whatever and the left wants it called a hate crime. Most of us just want it called murder. A crime is a crime we say. Race, religion, intent doesn't matter.

A Muslim does the same and we clamor to make sure it's called terrorism and we focus on the religion and intent.

This was a mass shooting. A horrible one. They happen pretty frequently. The only thing that makes this special is how successful it was. It's really no different than had the shooter been a WASP.

It looks like another nut case shot up the joint to me. I have no idea why and possibly never will. I don't really care other than to learn from it for prevention purposes. He's pretty much the same as the dude that shot up the theater, the kids that shot up the school or the "workplace violence" dude y'all got so worked up about a few days before returning to the hate crimes are stupid conversation.

We are all selective.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-its-time-to-repeal-the-second-amendment-right-bear-arms-20160613

Here's your sign.

If he was a wasp uttering God hates f@gs would hate crime be legitimate?

As an aside I've seen many Muslim groups denouncing this and Isis very loudly. It's not the religion it's the radicals trying to hijack it.

I agree.
Mostly.

The thing is, we're at war with terrorists.
We can't just label it murder if it is rooted in that war effort.
To do so would hinder our ability to prevent it in the future.

You and TMC are correct here.
However you're missing a major point. This guy is an Islamic extremist. You're comparing Islamic extremists to average christians... and to be honest, average christians have a much higher chance of having a negative impact on my daily life.

On what feels like an almost weekly basis, there's politicians calling for one law or another using the christian bible as justification. That is something that has a direct impact on every person in our nation, and it's a common occurrence. I have yet to see that happen with the koran in america (and if it does, it will receive every bit of my scorn as well). Meanwhile, islamic extremists kill a handful of people every now and then. This time it was something like 1.25x10-5% of our population (0.0000125%, for the conservatives). Realistically speaking, that has very little actual impact on our nation as a whole. Until they get their hands on something a hell of a lot more impressive than a few AR-15s, Islamic Extremists don't really pose a real, actual threat to our nation, even at the soft spots.

Contrasting that, any time anyone from any religion passes laws justified solely on biblical verse, or passing laws allowing religious groups to allow the laws of their religion to trump the laws of our land... well then they are doing real and tangible damage to our nation.

People who are afraid of random violence, or terrorism are just responding to a misplaced fight or flight response.

I would argue no.

Everyone loves the idea of a law giving religious groups the opportunity to disregard american laws... as long as it's their religious group. Similarly, everyone loves the idea of a law based on a religious text, as long as it's their religious text... or even a chunk of text in their bible they follow.

But then they have a fit when another religion does the same thing... or a text is chosen that inconveniences their lives (modern christians are all about religion, as long as it doesn't inconvenience them specifically).

There's a reason we don't have religious based government, a very good reason. And as an atheist, I find any large voting block of religious people with a vested interest in using our laws to enforce their religion as an enormous danger, much more-so than a handful of tragic deaths. Again, as an atheist, I am not specifically targeting christians. If muslims started doing the same thing, I'd be just as incensed.

hehehe.... ok, that made me laugh

I'm all for investigating every avenue of this and learning from it for prevention sake. I'm not so sure how the insistence on the terrorism label and focusing on his religion help in that effort. It seems to me it's the same mentality as the hate crime crowd we just agree with the classification.

And DMV you are right they have hijacked the religion in the sense that the vast VAST majority of those practicing the religion completely disagree with them and know it has nothing to do with their religion. The harsh words I was hearing from their leaders in effect telling them they were going to hell was interesting but missed by many. They want is to live in fear and tear us apart. In that sense they are winning. They (the very small minority) can't hurt us in any real way unless we decide to hurt ourselves. They also want us to blame Islam. And we are doing as the wish.

The argument is going to be those laws are meant to protect Christianity which is under attack and oppressed and stuff. It's really quite clever and is the same tactic used by oh never mind.

Exactly.

Or if it's shira or not

I'm not a big fan of organized religion, (gangs), however I think your concern borders on phobia. If what you are saying was true, the only way to prevent said corruption would be thought police, well, or outlawing religion completely, for that you will need to consult with a couple of dead guys, Stalin and Mao.

a Sacramento church did with some really special opinions.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link

I don't recall the bigots of West Borough going on a shooting spree.

not my meaning. just wondering if they were cheering or if they are saving that for the funerals.

When you caught the gay from drafter?

no silly. cuz of the O.T. and stuff.

Oh course they were, they're lower than whale schit.

Condoning disrespect and violence.. fine example they're setting for our students...