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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 6:55 AM EST
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2 Americans, 10 children among at least 84 killed in Bastille Day terror attack in Nice...




when will it all end..?? Sad
Mithrandir Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:05 AM EST
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Trump is calling it war and advocates for immediate action and taking the fight to isis

Clinton said she wants to continue talks with other countries to come up with a solution

This was just on cnn this morning

Gingrich piped in and wants to query muslims in the US and if they believe in shariya law, then their azz is toast

Obama has delivered more rhetoric in the same vein as the past few years but seems to be changing to a more hawkish stance

It ends when the last fanatic is killed.......action talks, BS walks..........I would like to see a more military minded POTUS in office.......and oh yeah, the heck with being politically correct, I'd rather be alive and living in our wonderful country.ram27bat
Brewha Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:06 AM EST
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A truck, he used a truck.
What kind of nut job runs people down with a truck?
TMCTLT Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:11 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
A truck, he used a truck.
What kind of nut job runs people down with a truck?




The kind that cannot get his hands on a gun or a bomb????
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:13 AM EST
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He also had guns & grenades... he didn't get to use the grenades luckily... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:19 AM EST
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I don't see how this could have been prevented. How can a person hate so much? It is a sad, sad day. My heart goes out to the French people. This is the third major attack there in the last 18 months.
TMCTLT Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:22 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I don't see how this could have been prevented. How can a person hate so much? It is a sad, sad day. My heart goes out to the French people. This is the third major attack there in less than a year.




And therein lies the MILLION dollar question....
Brewha Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:32 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
He also had guns & grenades... he didn't get to use the grenades luckily... Mellow

Well I suppose the dispenses with the carefully crafted theorem posited in posting #4....
Speyside Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:37 AM EST
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CNN is saying the grenades and rifles were fake, he only had a hand gun.
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:38 AM EST
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sounds like he wanted to get caught.... Think
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:52 AM EST
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What a sick freak. I hope Bruce Jenner is considered a virgin after the operation and this f4ck has to wait for Bruce as the first virgin. Prayers for the people of Nice.

I used to really like newt up to those comments of his. Absolutely unacceptable and wreckless. I understand the frustration and dilemma but I thought he was more intelligent and thoughtful than that. Given his political posturing before the attacks yesterday (I'm a pirate, trump is a pirate etc) I can't help but think it's cold political calculation using the tragedy for personal reasons. I liked that part of newt when he was pickin on dems and making their heads explode but this one is too far on something too seizes. Shame on newt.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 7:57 AM EST
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I guess I missed it.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:04 AM EST
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If this is somehow misquoted I'll change my tune, but if it's accurate and newt tries a trumpian gymnastic move no one intelligent would buy eff him. He was pandering to hannity.

"Every person here who is of a Muslim background" should be tested to determine whether he or she believes in Shariah, a legal code based on the Quran and other Islamic scriptures.

If they do, he said, they should be deported — even if they're U.S. citizens. Gingrich added that anyone who simply visits any website "favoring ISIS or al Qaeda or other terrorist groups" should be guilty of a felony, "and they should go to jail."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations condemned Gingrich's call to "test" Muslims in the U.S. as well as the truck attack.

"When former House Speaker Newt Gingrich suggests that American Muslims be subjected to an Inquisition-style religious test and then expelled from their homes and nation, he plays into the hands of terror recruiters and betrays the American values he purports to uphold," CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad said.
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:05 AM EST
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Somehow I guess we need to disclose our religion to the government so they know if they need to question us or not.
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:07 AM EST
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Although I guess they already know mine because it's on my tax forms (itemized donations). I wonder if it's on trumps Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:09 AM EST
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ya.. that's way off the wall all right.... damn.. Mellow





I do agree with screening Muslim immigrants tho... mainly because ISIL had control of the Syrian passport offices for a while.. I'm not saying ban them but we should be careful.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:15 AM EST
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There is no way to verify any of the Syrian refugees.

Good luck!
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:17 AM EST
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I thought they said they could find the fake passports becuse of the numbering or something.. I dunno tho.. just what I heard.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:17 AM EST
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Drafter I can get to agreement with you on that with a tweak. I'm for screening ALL immigrants regardless of religion which is not on anyone's passports. And I have no problem more heavily scrutinizing immigrants from certain parts of the world. The fault is when you throw in the Muslim piece. It's impractical operationally, not necessary and just fuels the fire. But it does have political pop with some which is what's important in the homeland.
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:20 AM EST
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We should do that.. it's easy to assume the terrorists will look like Bin Laden but those Russian brothers did a lot of damage too... we should build a wall or somethin.. Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:25 AM EST
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Discrimination against a religion/race- didn't that happen seriously about 80 years ago. Will there be enough rail cars after the Mexican repatriation ?
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:25 AM EST
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The Irish can do pretty good damage when they are pissed off too. I'm all for much better screening of immigrants and focusing on problem areas particularly (not Ireland at the moment arguably partially thanks to slick willie). Religion is not the factoring element though and not included on passports or official documents and if it was it's easily lied about and not prove able unless you start stalking churches.

It's a political peice not anything practical.
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:27 AM EST
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What would we do if Syrian refugees who would be killed if they stayed chartered a ship to Cuba.
DrafterX Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:29 AM EST
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I think Trump speaks without thinking sometimes.. I hope after some reflection he sees the flaws in trying to ban all Muslims.. if that's really what he meant in the first place.. I never took it seriously but a lot of people did.. Maybe Newt will backpedal a little too.. Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:31 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
What would we do if Syrian refugees who would be killed if they stayed chartered a ship to Cuba.




not sure we would do anything... what could we do..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:36 AM EST
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Yea I guess the travel ban has been lifted and stuff
gummy jones Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:40 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
What would we do if Syrian refugees who would be killed if they stayed chartered a ship to Cuba.


maybe ask them to mail us some magic coobans?
TMCTLT Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:44 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I think Trump speaks without thinking sometimes.. I hope after some reflection he sees the flaws in trying to ban all Muslims.. if that's really what he meant in the first place.. I never took it seriously but a lot of people did.. Maybe Newt will backpedal a little too.. Mellow





I'll still take Trumps " sometimes " over Hilldogs....NEVER lol

He has only stated that UNTIL we have a better way of vetting who is coming into our country from regions showing radicalism under that religion / belief system we cannot allow them to freely flow in and out of OUR country.
And IMHO....he's correct. Until those governments can provide us with backgrounds on their people wishing to leave and come here.....they should not be allowed. It should worry the hell out of everyone that our president is trying to " speed up the process " for them to come here....without ANYTHING changing on the vetting process.
Speyside Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 8:44 AM EST
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I agree it makes sense to run deeper background checks based on region of the world. I also agree that background checks based on religion is just plain wrong, as would be background checks based on race. They certainly should be unconstitutional.
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 9:21 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yea I guess the travel ban has been lifted and stuff



True... true... they would fit right in there... Mellow
tamapatom Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 9:22 AM EST
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This has to stop, We need a waiting period and background check on people renting or buying trucks. Restrict the size and speed of trucks. If that doesn't work, ban trucks.
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 9:24 AM EST
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Should done that 21 years ago.. just sayin.. Mellow
Brewha Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 10:19 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I don't see how this could have been prevented. How can a person hate so much? It is a sad, sad day. My heart goes out to the French people. This is the third major attack there in the last 18 months.

Revenge. Revenge for what he perceived the enemy did and will do.

This has been going on for a long time and the vicious cycle is naturally accelerating.

Former US president Jimmy Carter told the New York Times in a 1989 interview:

“We sent Marines into Lebanon and you only have to go to Lebanon, to Syria or to Jordan to witness first-hand the intense hatred among many people for the United States because we bombed and shelled and unmercifully killed totally innocent villagers – women and children and farmers and housewives – in those villages around Beirut. … As a result of that … we became kind of a Satan in the minds of those who are deeply resentful. That is what precipitated the taking of our hostages and that is what has precipitated some of the terrorist attacks.”

And this goes on today.
gummy jones Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 10:24 AM EST
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i was waiting for the old "its the west's fault"

and before the us existed im sure it was someone elses fault.

maybe jimmy carter can explain to me why these people have slaughtered unmercifully over their entire existance?


these people hate any ideology that is different than theirs
bomb them, dont bomb them, if you love freedom they will continue to hate you
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 10:50 AM EST
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but Obama said all they need is a little love and steady employment... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 10:53 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
i was waiting for the old "its the west's fault"

and before the us existed im sure it was someone elses fault.

maybe jimmy carter can explain to me why these people have slaughtered unmercifully over their entire existance?


these people hate any ideology that is different than theirs
bomb them, dont bomb them, if you love freedom they will continue to hate you

That sir is horse sh1t.

"It dies hard. It dies very hard. The notion that terrorist acts against the United States can be explained by envy and irrational hatred, and not by what the United States does to the world – i.e., US foreign policy – is alive and well."

But you go right on believing -
Brewha Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 10:55 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
but Obama said all they need is a little love and steady employment... Mellow

What? No Couscous?
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 10:58 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
That sir is horse sh1t.

"It dies hard. It dies very hard. The notion that terrorist acts against the United States can be explained by envy and irrational hatred, and not by what the United States does to the world – i.e., US foreign policy – is alive and well."

But you go right on believing -



Explain why the Radicalized Muslim Extremists are killing other Muslims... Is that our fault too..?? Huh
99cobra2881 Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 11:30 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
That sir is horse sh1t.

"It dies hard. It dies very hard. The notion that terrorist acts against the United States can be explained by envy and irrational hatred, and not by what the United States does to the world – i.e., US foreign policy – is alive and well."

But you go right on believing -


So terrorists attack France three times and it's due to the foreign policy of the United States?

Lol you might as well blame global warming as the reason for terrorism like the rest of the smucks who reach for straws instead of calling it out for what it is. Islamic terrorism. Terrorism against infidels that their twisted Koran tells them to carry out. The worthless book existed long before the United States so carry on with your twisted ideals that it's all our fault. That sir is the load of horse sh-it.



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#40 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 11:34 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
That sir is horse sh1t.

"It dies hard. It dies very hard. The notion that terrorist acts against the United States can be explained by envy and irrational hatred, and not by what the United States does to the world – i.e., US foreign policy – is alive and well."

But you go right on believing -


Yes, and just what do you think we, the USA Obama administration, including the CIA and the State Department, were doing in Libya?
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#41 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 12:05 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Explain why the Radicalized Muslim Extremists are killing other Muslims... Is that our fault too..?? Huh


well obama said they just need jobs and loretta lynch said they just need hugs

so maybe if open up hug versions of kissing booths and employ moslems we can kill two birds with one stone

crap, but that wont address global warming...

back to the drawing board
gummy jones Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 12:09 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
That sir is horse sh1t.

"It dies hard. It dies very hard. The notion that terrorist acts against the United States can be explained by envy and irrational hatred, and not by what the United States does to the world – i.e., US foreign policy – is alive and well."

But you go right on believing -


not sure how someones opinion which you quote proves or disproves anything

but you go right on believing...

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#43 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 12:30 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
What? No Couscous?

not trying to make it worse, but I prefer Israeli coucous
Brewha Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 12:31 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Explain why the Radicalized Muslim Extremists are killing other Muslims... Is that our fault too..?? Huh

Prolly just envy and irrational hatred.

Although I don't know what they would envy..
Brewha Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 12:37 PM EST
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99cobra2881 wrote:
So terrorists attack France three times and it's due to the foreign policy of the United States?

Lol you might as well blame global warming as the reason for terrorism like the rest of the smucks who reach for straws instead of calling it out for what it is. Islamic terrorism. Terrorism against infidels that their twisted Koran tells them to carry out. The worthless book existed long before the United States so carry on with your twisted ideals that it's all our fault. That sir is the load of horse sh-it.




The US has the most expensive military in the world - and we are the police of the world. Everybody love the cops, right?

But, no - it has to be their book.
100%

Sure...
Brewha Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 12:55 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
not sure how someones opinion which you quote proves or disproves anything

but you go right on believing...


I think the point of the article I was quoting is that we are by design not seeing the cause and effect of policing the world.

Not so much a belief, but food for thought. A reason to question and examine.

More from the article:

"This idea - that the rise of anti-American terrorism owes nothing to American policies – in effect postulates an America that is always the aggrieved innocent in a treacherous world, a benign United States government peacefully going about its business but being “provoked” into taking extreme measures to defend its people, its freedom and its democracy. There consequently is no good reason to modify US foreign policy, and many people who might otherwise know better are scared into supporting the empire’s wars out of the belief that there’s no choice but to crush without mercy – or even without evidence – this irrational international force out there that hates the United States with an abiding passion."

Granted this seems grim, but the premise is not without merit.
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#47 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 1:09 PM EST
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No kidding.

Sincerely,
Ron Paul voters 2012
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 1:10 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Prolly just envy and irrational hatred.

Although I don't know what they would envy..




I think they're allowed to marry their cousins... Mellow
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#49 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 1:56 PM EST
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If only there had been a good guy with a truck to stop this madness.....
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#50 Posted: Fri, Jul 15 2016, 2:00 PM EST
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a gun finally stopped him... Mellow
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