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Nine dead in Munich.
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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 4:53 PM EST
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Life did not used to be like this. Every week more mass murders.
teedubbya Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 5:25 PM EST
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Yup.

I do remember hearing about bombings all the time in the uk, and thinking glad it's nowhere near me. Now it seems the tactic is used more widely geographically and with greater frequency. Strange times. This may be a chronic war to be managed rather than "won". That's a hard pill to swallow.
Speyside Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 5:30 PM EST
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TW, I honestly do not see how this can be won. We have tried to win this and all we have done is destabilize part of the Middle East, part of Pakistan, and part of Africa.
Burner02 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 7:27 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
TW, I honestly do not see how this can be won. We have tried to win this and all we have done is destabilize part of the Middle East, part of Pakistan, and part of Africa.



You are giving the U.S. way to much credit.
Speyside Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 8:23 AM EST
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27 injured, many critical. Burner, I think I am accurate on this.
TMCTLT Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 8:43 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
27 injured, many critical. Burner, I think I am accurate on this.



I could be wrong but I think Burner means WE (the U.S.) are not solely to blame ( in total ) for the destablizing of those areas.....
Speyside Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 9:38 AM EST
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LOL, totals misunderstood that.
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 10:02 AM EST
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I agree with that except when we want to blame obammy.
Speyside Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 10:14 AM EST
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TW , I think it was poor foreign policy of the administration's of George, Bill, George, and Barack that lead to destabilization.
Bullmastiff Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 10:23 AM EST
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When has the Middle East ever been "stable"? Just like commerce and trade, the worldwide internets has also helped globalize these lunatics ideologies; ipso fatso its Al Gore's fault...should take back his Nobel Prize.
MACS Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 10:49 AM EST
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^^LOL!!!
SmokeMonkey Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 11:20 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
TW , I think it was poor foreign policy of the administration's of George, Bill, George, and Barack that lead to destabilization.


You'll have to go further back than GHWB. It's difficult to pinpoint bad foreign policy over time. So many variables that you can't account for as the years pass. We tend to go back and blame politicians we don't like decades after decisions were made for short- or medium-term tactics and strategies. What may be successful in the short term (say 10 years or so), or given us an immediate effect (Mujahadeen support against the Soviets, for example), sometimes have longer term impacts that would be impossible to foresee. It's not bad policy, it's that we aren't soothsayers.

So, sure, our FP has contributed, but not as much as some want to believe and not as little as those who think the actions of the US have no negative consequences.

In an area of the world that has never been, and probably will never be, politically stable, it seems short sighted to give much blame. That said, since 2001, we have taken a lot more interest and been far more active than ever. Most of those decisions and actions will have far reaching consequences for years. I can't say any have been inherently good or bad, but they will all have unforeseen consequences.

So there's the most unequivocal three paragraphs of the day....
Gene363 Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 11:54 AM EST
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The west has been meddling in the middle east for a long time. The British in Egypt and Palestine, Suez Cannel, World War I, then later over oil. Oil money helps fan the fires.
Gene363 Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 11:58 AM EST
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"Munich Shooter Ali David Sonboly Was “Simply” A Psycho"

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he German-Iranian killer had no known links to the Islamic State or any other terrorist group, but had a sick fascination with mass killings, investigators found.

Police raided the man’s home overnight and found a stash of literature about why young perpetrators carry out school shootings in the U.S., titled “Why Kids Kill: Inside the Minds of School Shooters.”

The book, by American psychologist Dr. Peter Langman, studies the gunmen who carried out shootings at Columbine and Virginia Tech, among others. A German translation of it was found in Sonboly’s bedroom, the Guardian reported.

Initial investigations suggest the Munich-born suspect had suffered from psychological problems like depression and received treatment, but details were still being confirmed, said Munich prosecutor Thomas Steinkraus-Koch.

According to social media reports by New York Times journalist Rukmini Callimachi, Sonboly had been “severely bullied” at school and once threated to “go on a shooting rampage,” after a dispute with a classmate, a 14-year-old neighbor who attended the same high school as the gunman said.

Another neighbor of the gunman described him as “very quiet.”

He was such a quiet boy! With a known desire to kill a bunch of people.



http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/07/robert-farago/munich-shooter-ali-david-sonboly-simply-psycho/
Speyside Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 12:26 PM EST
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I think my point was not specific enough. We created a power vacuum through our foreign policy making it easier for ISIS and AL Qeada to operate.
ZRX1200 Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 12:29 PM EST
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LMAO.....we created them.

Arming and funding isn't a vacuum, but in some areas yeah I agree.
Speyside Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 12:32 PM EST
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Yes, we did create them. I was only speaking of then how easy we made it for them.
ZRX1200 Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 1:04 PM EST
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True Mellow
Burner02 Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 8:42 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
I could be wrong but I think Burner means WE (the U.S.) are not solely to blame ( in total ) for the destablizing of those areas.....



You are correct.
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