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Question for Trump haters
tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
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Please fact check this list if you don't believe it.
Then, please tell me which of the Trump lies are worse than any one of these.

"I set up a private email server so I could have all my emails on one device." -- FBI found she used as many as 5 devices for email.
"I sent and received no classified emails on my server." -- The FBI found almost 200 emails that were marked classified at the time they were sent.
"There was no connection between the Clinton Foundation and my work as Secretary of State." -- AP shows that more than half of private meetings with Hillary as SOS were with people who had donated to the Clinton Foundation, and one email chain specifically shows a foundation exec arranging a meeting with SOS Hillary.
"I turned over all my work-related emails to the State Department." -- More than 15,000 emails have been discovered that were not turned over to State.
"I set up the private server under the advice of former SOS Colin Powell." -- Powell sent Hillary the memo about his use of private email more than a year after she set up her server.
"My use of private email was allowed by the State Department." -- The State Inspector General reported that it was neither allowed nor approved.

And for her most embarrassing one:

"I remember landing in Bosnia under sniper fire; we had to duck for cover and run inside." -- Video of the event shows her calmly walking from the plane to the building, smiling, waving, and shaking hands.

teedubbya Offline
#2 Posted:
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I hate trump and hill dog. It's not mutually exclusive nor do I find the need to determine which lies are worse. It's a false argument. I could understand bagging on hill for her lies. I don't understand how that somehow makes trump more palatable. Argue for something.
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted:
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I consider myself anti-Hillary... not Pro-Trump... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted:
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Embrace the negative! Lol
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted:
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sad isn't it... Laugh
JadeRose Offline
#6 Posted:
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Johnson/Weld 2016
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted:
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Do they randomly drug the President..?? Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Trump never put the stars and bars on any of his merchandise like Bill & Kill.

Trump helped change the culture in Palm Beach which wasn't too welcoming to Jews and Blacks.

Don't recall him ever dressing up in "blackface" either.
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted:
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Vote for trump. He didn't dress in blackface!
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted:
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I'd pay to see that.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#11 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I hate trump and hill dog. It's not mutually exclusive nor do I find the need to determine which lies are worse. It's a false argument. I could understand bagging on hill for her lies. I don't understand how that somehow makes trump more palatable. Argue for something.


the longer this election cycle goes on, the more this becomes my exact sentiment...
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted:
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It's an easy decision, the GOP and the RNC hate one candidate... bipartisanship, when both parties are trying to screw you.
tailgater Offline
#13 Posted:
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I agree we should want to vote in favor of, rather than against.
But the Trump haterz call him a liar.
I'm providing perspective and welcome that discussion.
Speyside Offline
#14 Posted:
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I hate them both, LOL, you are stirring the pot as per usual, Johnson/Weld 2016!
Gene363 Offline
#15 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I agree we should want to vote in favor of, rather than against.
But the Trump haterz call him a liar.
I'm providing perspective and welcome that discussion.


Not excusing it, but there has never been a politician elected that told the complete truth. They all lie, the difference is whether you like or dislike their particular lie. We are in debt up to our eyes and cannot afford anything, but they all promise plenty.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted:
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ya but Hillary lies about lying... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#17 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
ya but Hillary lies about lying... Mellow


True and that her a better politician, not a better choice.
Buckwheat Offline
#18 Posted:
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JadeRose wrote:
Johnson/Weld 2016


+1.

I'd rather vote FOR than AGAINST someone. ram27bat horse fog
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted:
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Would be nice... but if Hillary or Trump admitted to frequently using an illegal drug what do you think would happen. .?? Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted:
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And voting for someone you know doesn't stand a chance just to say 'I didn't vote for them' still puzzles me... but I do understand and respect the choice. .. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted:
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It's not hard to understand drafter. You make it too complicated. It's I voted for xxxx because I wanted to and am for them. The I didn't vote for them part is the part you are making up based on how you think. It says more about you. I'm going to vote for who I want and not vote for who I don't want. This you have to vote for someone you don't want to stop someone else you don't want mentality is bizarre to me. I don't buy it.

When did voting for someone become something other than that?
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Would be nice... but if Hillary or Trump admitted to frequently using an illegal drug what do you think would happen. .?? Mellow



Hillary would apologize and trump would say he was just kidding and his supporters would believe him and blame the press and stuff.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted:
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I know man... it's just how I'm thinking right now... I'm just afraid of what she will do.. she has an agenda.. Trump is a crap shoot at best... but I'm willing to play that... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#24 Posted:
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I should make clear my comments about 'I didn't vote for them' came from a friend of mine a long time ago. .. it just stuck with me... he decided if he just hates them all he could bitch about everything. .. I think a man needs to make a stand in what he believes to be the right thing.. whether he's right or wrong. .. It's all good if that's what it's about... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted:
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It would be fun to say 'That Bassard Johnson' tho... Laugh
Gene363 Offline
#26 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Hillary would apologize and trump would say he was just kidding and his supporters would believe him and blame the press and stuff.


That worked for Obama... Twice! d'oh!
frankj1 Offline
#27 Posted:
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I'm not so sure I agree with the premise that Trump haters are saying it is because he is a liar.
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
I hate them both, LOL, you are stirring the pot as per usual, Johnson/Weld 2016!


Moi?
tailgater Offline
#29 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
Not excusing it, but there has never been a politician elected that told the complete truth. They all lie, the difference is whether you like or dislike their particular lie. We are in debt up to our eyes and cannot afford anything, but they all promise plenty.


I disagree.
They all lie, true.
But it's the substance of those lies that I'm talking about here.
Hillary is at a whole new level. Her lies concern National Security.

Two people lie:
One about how many trips to the buffet table.
The other about hiding a dead body.

Do you call them both liars with the same vigor?
Because that's what the Trump haters and Hillary supporters are doing.

teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm not so sure I agree with the premise that Trump haters are saying it is because he is a liar.



I was thinking the same thing. But if you have control over how you define things......
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted:
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If trump shot a man in Times Square but didn't lie about it then the trump haters would still be wrong for hating him.
Gene363 Offline
#32 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I disagree.
They all lie, true.
But it's the substance of those lies that I'm talking about here.
Hillary is at a whole new level. Her lies concern National Security.

Two people lie:
One about how many trips to the buffet table.
The other about hiding a dead body.

Do you call them both liars with the same vigor?
Because that's what the Trump haters and Hillary supporters are doing.



Read more into the "Not excusing it" part, there are most definitely different levels, some bordering on the criminal. In fact, I am appalled at the total lack of concern about Hillary lies by the media and politicians. I am not alone, why else would Trump be getting so much support?

I am also thinking, "Seriously, you are doubting my dislike for Killary? Brick wall
tailgater Offline
#33 Posted:
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So not one of the Trump haters can refute the facts?
Nor compare any of the Don's lies to any on this list?

Tonygraz?
Beuller?
Anyone?
Is this thing on?



Covfireman Offline
#34 Posted:
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Hillary's lies are more criminal than Trump's but I feel voting for either is hypocritical if you value honesty .

ZRX convinced me to vote for Johnson
tonygraz Offline
#35 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
So not one of the Trump haters can refute the facts?
Nor compare any of the Don's lies to any on this list?

Tonygraz?
Beuller?
Anyone?
Is this thing on?





Your "facts" are questionable. Why has no other secretary of state been asked to hand over emails ?
I've been on vacation, and I'm going again very soon.
xibbumbero Offline
#36 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Your "facts" are questionable. Why has no other secretary of state been asked to hand over emails ?
I've been on vacation, and I'm going again very soon.


Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell did the same thing,however the republicons gotta find some kind of dirt and
keep harping on it. Specially when you have a candidate like Trump,who keeps calling Clinton crooked and a bigot
but won't produce his tax statements or talk about issues other than deporting all illegals,building a wall or barring muslims from entering the country or implying the 2nd amendment activists could end the Hillary problem.
I don't hate Trump,I just think he's an egotistical nut job. X
Covfireman Offline
#37 Posted:
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Every other secretary of state has used the state department email for the state department business and has turned over the records . Colin Powell used a commercial email provider for personal emails . All of the secretaries of states emails are subject to the freedom of information act .
Mr. Jones Offline
#38 Posted:
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Go HILLARY!!!

You OWE ME BIG-TIME for saving that
BUS IN LANCASTER, PA.
tailgater Offline
#39 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Your "facts" are questionable. Why has no other secretary of state been asked to hand over emails ?
I've been on vacation, and I'm going again very soon.


Permanent?
Speyside Offline
#40 Posted:
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^LMAO!
DrafterX Offline
#41 Posted:
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xibbumbero wrote:
Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell did the same thing,



Don't you guys ever follow up on the headlines..?? Do some research man..Not talking
dstieger Offline
#42 Posted:
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I wish there was a Rice/Powell ticket on the November ballot...I could get interested in this election again
Brewha Offline
#43 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
"I set up a private email server so I could have all my emails on one device." -- FBI found she used as many as 5 devices for email.


Ok - could not get past the first one (above). I myself, have set up my email server so I could have all my mail on one device - my phone.
Of course, I can also get to it on my home PC, work PC, tablet....

Tailgater, if you are going to post fact stacking and misdirection crap, try to finds some quality BS, will you?
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted:
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Comey stated she used multiple devices as well as multiple servers..... Hillary stated she had one device and one server... it's hard to get much clearer...

it's not what you're capable of, it's what she told congress... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Ok - could not get past the first one (above). I myself, have set up my email server so I could have all my mail on one device - my phone.
Of course, I can also get to it on my home PC, work PC, tablet....

Tailgater, if you are going to post fact stacking and misdirection crap, try to finds some quality BS, will you?


Brew,
Is "one device" 5 or 6 devices?
Why even say that to begin with?
How can anyone confuse this?

And more importantly, she's obviously lying about the number of devices to try an justify her own personal server, which she KNEW was illegal for her purposes.

As for your own personal experience?
Do you have your own server?
Setting up multiple email accounts to be accessed by your phone does not constitute having your own server.
Because you don't need your own server to do so.
Yet Hillary claims that is why she did it.

Brewha Offline
#46 Posted:
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Honestly boys, I don’t begrudge you your witch hunt. But it does look silly.

Drafter – you believe the Secretary of State has only one device that emails can be read on?

Tailgater – You ask “How can anyone confuse this?” By design is the answer. By design. And you seem to have done a fine job.

Anyway it all is just a tempest in a tea pot. But it is all the conservatives have. And lacking anything found by the FBI that is literally actionable here is the endless boo-hoo of “she lied”. Of course you could pick of the torch of perjury – if only there was actionable evidence of that.

Maybe you should start looking for her birth certificate….
Buckwheat Offline
#47 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
I wish there was a Rice/Powell ticket on the November ballot...I could get interested in this election again


I'd vote for that ticket as well but they're both too smart to run for President. fog
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Honestly boys, I don’t begrudge you your witch hunt. But it does look silly.

Drafter – you believe the Secretary of State has only one device that emails can be read on?

Tailgater – You ask “How can anyone confuse this?” By design is the answer. By design. And you seem to have done a fine job.

Anyway it all is just a tempest in a tea pot. But it is all the conservatives have. And lacking anything found by the FBI that is literally actionable here is the endless boo-hoo of “she lied”. Of course you could pick of the torch of perjury – if only there was actionable evidence of that.

Maybe you should start looking for her birth certificate….




Just repeating what she told the public and Congress... and of course I don't believe her... Not talking
victor809 Offline
#49 Posted:
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I see the confusion between 1 device and multiple devices, but I think it's pretty clear what was intended. The desire to remain confused seems intentional.

I'm guessing state department emails could only be accessed using state department devices or computers VPNed into the state department server. Until recently that meant multiple mobile devices.... I know some people who want to intentionally carry a work phone and a personal phone with them at all times, she apparently wanted to be able to carry a single device to be able to access work emails, Clinton foundation emails, tindr emails, whatever... The fact that she then would access those emails from other devices is irrelevant. I want to be able to check all my emails from one phone as well. That doesn't mean I'll never use my laptop or personal laptop or iPad to do that as well.

People are being intentionally obtuse.
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