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Georgia congressional race outrage?
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it's been since right after the tragic shooting in VA that the nation learned of an outrageous, disgusting ad linking happy libs with the sick actions of the dead perp in the runoff to replace Tom Price (facing his own possible demise).

And the lefties have had their own bit of shame, smearing the GOP's female candidate with words I do not use out of respect to females...and stuff.

Amazingly this seems to be the most covered race in the country, featuring a young lib outsider in a well to do, highly educated, strongly conservative community...but I can't find anything using the search function.

HA!

anyone care to join me in my outrage and condemnation, as long as I'm bringing it up at this late date?

possibly the worst we can offer up. filth strewn by everyone...btw, she won tonight. The ad beat the adjectives.
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is it legal to post a pity post on one's own op?

withdrawn, Your Honor.
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I didn't see the add but it wasn't sponsored by Handle... besides, I heard the rain is what caused the Dems to lose the election... Mellow
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A third party group known as the Principle Leadership PAC has released a new ad supporting Republican Karen Handel that uses footage from last week’s congressional shooting of House Majority Whip Steve Scalise.

Handel, former Georgia secretary of state, is running for Congress in a special election.

The 30-second ad begins by playing video footage of the aftermath of the shooting while “The unhinged left is endorsing and applauding shooting Republicans” is written across the screen.

It encourages voters to stop the “unhinged leftist” who were “cheering last week’s shooting.” It also calls for voters to “stop” Handel’s opponents, Jon Ossoff and Nancy Pelosi.



Think Think


“The unhinged left is endorsing and applauding shooting Republicans”

It happened... Mellow
Speyside Offline
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Frank, I'm not outraged by the Georgia adds, I'm disappointed by them.
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yeah, it wasn't the candidates running ads or using the c-bomb...supporters dd the dirt.
simply an embarrassing display by both "major" parties in an election that had untold millions of dollars streaming in.
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Speyside wrote:
Frank, I'm not outraged by the Georgia adds, I'm disappointed by them.

perhaps that's closer to the truth
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Speyside wrote:
Frank, I'm not outraged by the Georgia adds, I'm disappointed by them.




I'm even more disappointed that since the " tech age of computerization " we now have OTHER states meddling in their neighbor's business and elections.....even if that " neighbor " is across the nation.....that's SAD.


That said, the democrats have been behaving liked a bunch of unhinged maniacs....both the elected (not all ) / the hollywierd subset and their community voice.....THE MEDIA
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frankj1 wrote:
yeah, it wasn't the candidates running ads or using the c-bomb...supporters dd the dirt.
simply an embarrassing display by both "major" parties in an election that had untold millions of dollars streaming in.


Washing money the old fashioned way...through a politician!!!!


What will they think of next? A Foundation??? The horror...the horror.......the horror.


Carpetbagging - It's not just for Clintons!
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Who cares about a buncha redneck politicos?
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Democrats Seethe After Georgia Loss: ‘Our Brand Is Worse Than Trump’


Democrats seethed, second-guessed and sought to regroup on Wednesday after a disappointing special election defeat in Georgia, with the party’s campaign chief in the House of Representatives outlining alternative paths to taking power, and some lawmakers questioning anew the leadership and political strategy of Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic minority leader.

By fiercely contesting a congressional race in the conservative Atlanta suburbs, Democrats had hoped to make an emphatic statement about the weakness of the Republican Party under President Trump. Their candidate, Jon Ossoff, raised about $25 million, largely in small donations, and assertively courted right-of-center voters with promises of economic development and fiscal restraint.

But as the returns came in and Mr. Ossoff remained stubbornly behind Karen Handel, a veteran local officeholder, Democratic frustrations burst into full view. Lawmakers and strategists fretted about the party’s inchoate message, and some called the race a sign that Democrats should not bet too heavily on converting red-tinged suburbs to win a majority in the House.

Representative Tim Ryan of Ohio, who has been a vocal critic of his party’s overarching political strategy, said Democrats needed to recognize that they were “toxic” in huge parts of the country.

“Our brand is worse than Trump,” said Mr. Ryan, who urged Democrats to make forging a clear economic agenda an urgent priority. “We can’t just run against Trump.”

Mr. Ryan, who tried to unseat Ms. Pelosi, Democrat of California, as House minority leader after the November elections, said she remained a political drag on other Democrats. Ms. Handel and Republican outside groups tied Mr. Ossoff to Ms. Pelosi in campaign events and television ads, casting him as a puppet for what they described as her liberal agenda and “San Francisco values.”

“They’re still running against her and still winning races, and it’s still a problem,” Mr. Ryan said.

In Washington, Representative Ben Ray Luján of New Mexico, the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, moved to calm the party overnight, circulating a memo that outlined in detail how Democrats aim to capture a majority in 2018. In the document, which was sent to lawmakers and staff, Mr. Luján wrote that there was “no doubt that Democrats can take back the House next fall” in the midterm elections.

Acknowledging that the Georgia result was a setback, Mr. Luján wrote on Wednesday that there were between six and eight dozen seats held by Republican lawmakers that would be easier for Democrats to capture than Georgia’s Sixth. He said the next few months would become a “recruitment blitz” for Democrats as they enlist candidates in those elections.

“Let’s look outside of the traditional mold to keep recruiting local leaders, veterans, business owners, women, job creators and health professionals,” Mr. Luján wrote. “Let’s take the time to find people who fit their districts, have compelling stories, and work hard to earn support from voters.”

And, citing snippets of private polling, Mr. Luján said there were Republican seats in southern Arizona and Florida, northern New Jersey and the Kansas City, Kan., suburbs, where Democratic challengers were already ahead of Republican incumbents.

Democrats need to win 24 Republican-held seats in order to win control of the House.

Democratic lawmakers are expected to gather Wednesday morning in a caucus meeting, which could become a forum for restive lawmakers to air their political anxieties and grievances.

But well before the gathering, a half-dozen Democratic elected officials and operatives privately vented in text messages and phone calls about a dispiriting trend emerging in this year’s special elections: When their candidates appear to gain traction in the polls, Republicans can easily halt the momentum by invoking Ms. Pelosi.

A spokesman for Ms. Pelosi noted that in some polls House Speaker Paul D. Ryan’s approval ratings were even more dismal than Ms. Pelosi’s and argued that the right would make any high-profile Democratic leader the focal point of attacks.

“Republicans blew through millions to keep a ruby red seat and in their desperate rush to keep stop the hemorrhaging, they’ve returned to demonizing the party’s strongest fund-raiser and consensus builder,” said Drew Hammill, Ms. Pelosi’s deputy chief of staff. “They don’t have Clinton or Obama so this is what they do.”

On the Republican side, jubilation over Ms. Handel’s victory mixed with lingering unease about the overall political environment. While Ms. Handel defeated Mr. Ossoff by about 10,000 votes and nearly four percentage points, Republican outside groups had to spend $18 million defending a district where the party’s candidates won easily for decades.

Mr. Trump’s approval ratings continued to fall steadily over the course of the race, and Ms. Handel at times took active steps to distance herself from the president.

And on the same night, a little-watched special election in South Carolina gave the Republican Party another scare, as an obscure Democrat, Archie Parnell, came within 3,000 votes of capturing a solidly Republican congressional district. Turnout in the election was tepid, and the close margin was seen in both parties as a function of Democrats’ greater enthusiasm for voting in a low-key race.

Nick Everhart, a Republican strategist in Ohio, said the party should not allow its relief at having kept Democrats at bay turn into complacency. Up to this point, he said, Republicans have been beating Democrats only on solidly red turf.

“To pretend that there are not serious enthusiasm-gap issues with the G.O.P. base and more crucially, independents fleeing, is missing the lessons that need to be learned before truly competitive seats are on the board,” Mr. Everhart said.

Still, the immediate aftermath of the Georgia election was plainly tougher on the Democratic side, where activists, donors and lawmakers have grown weary of special elections that end with a better-than-usual showing by a defeated Democrat. That pattern, which also characterized recent congressional races in Kansas and Montana, may put Democrats on track to gain power in the 2018 elections, but 17 months is a long wait for a party hungry for immediate victories.

The lack of a signal success for Democrats during this season of special elections has also left open existential questions for the party, which might have been resolved by a smashing win of one kind or another. Had Mr. Ossoff won on Tuesday night, it most likely would have emboldened the party’s moderate establishment and made his campaign — waged in broad promises of economic growth and cautious language about Mr. Trump — a model for other races.

Instead, populist forces on the left took Mr. Ossoff’s defeat as an occasion to criticize the whole notion of centrism as a Democratic strategy. Jim Dean, the chairman of Democracy for America, a liberal activist group, blasted Mr. Ossoff overnight for “lighting millions of dollars on fire” and delivering an “uninspiring message” that he predicted would fail again in 2018.

“The same, tired centrist Democratic playbook that has come up short cycle after cycle will not suffice,” Mr. Dean said in a statement.

Outside the activist wing of the party, the Georgia result opened a new and potentially bitter debate about nonideological matters, including who should be the Democrats’ public face in Congress.

Lachlan McIntosh, a South Carolina-based Democratic strategist, said the party had to confront just how unpopular its current leadership is in conservative areas. With some Democrats questioning whether they should have invested more in Mr. Parnell’s near-miss campaign, Mr. McIntosh said bluntly that, if Mr. Parnell had ever become a cause célèbre like Mr. Ossoff, national Republicans would simply have blasted him with the same anti-Pelosi message that worked in Georgia.

“The problem will persist for Democrats next year,” Mr. McIntosh said. “They can’t ignore how very unpopular their leadership is with many voters. It’s not fair or justified, but it’s real.”



Instead of actually working for Americans and taking care of this nation so we can have something to give the next generation...besides a yoke of Debt...perhaps, it's time to take away the recesses, the pensions, the salaries, the benefits and with the exception of the State of the Union address move their elected asses back to the masses so we can see how they operate. We have this wonderful "new" inventionSarcasm called Telepresence...there's no need to be in DC and being in the Legislative Branch is NOT an occupation!
rfenst Online
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The advertisement was the most disgusting political ad I have ever seen. Did the Republican ever denounce it?
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Yes... but it did happen... Mellow
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I never saw it, but anything politicians do (D or R) doesn't shock me anymore.
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MACS wrote:
I never saw it, but anything politicians do (D or R) doesn't shock me anymore.


This would have. It's probably on Utube somewhere.
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rfenst wrote:
The advertisement was the most disgusting political ad I have ever seen. Did the Republican ever denounce it?



This is as far as I'm concerned home server part dieux. If the leftist idiots didn't do stupid things there would nothing to use.
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I have tuned out last couple/few days...didn't know about the controversy and hadn't seen the ad until now...TBH, it isn't exactly tasteful, but I wouldn't have gotten to the words outrage, nor even disgusting, I don't think. I know the dem that the ad is referring to, but can't recall his name...shortly after the shooting, he said something to the effect that targeting R's was a good idea...or at least that's the gist that I got. I don't think he was a congressman, but some sort of party big-wig...I think. At any rate, I thought that he was more disgusting than the ad. He did have the nads to show up on Fox News...(w/Carlson, maybe?)...but, he wouldn't even acknowledge that he f'd up or had used poor judgement....ads from PAC's, which don't have rules or ethics...vs. a party mover/shaker who represents the actual Democratic Party....I don't give the PAC a pass...but I'm not as outraged by the ad as I was by the fool from the dem party
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rfenst wrote:
This would have. It's probably on Utube somewhere.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/house-races/338370-ad-uses-scalise-shooting-against-ossoff
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I'm sure the Dems would never try to use Trump's words against him and the Republicans... Not talking
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I watched... actually laughed the entire time...I like it when they said that things like this shooting and the kathy griffins isis video "wouldn't stop" if ossoff won... like somehow putting one more republican in office is going to finally quiet down the violent left extremists...
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I think it boiled down to the dude not even living in the district.. that and the rain.. if it hadn't been raining he woulda won... Mellow
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i have noticed a recent trend with the media where they like to shine a spotlight on obscure races that they think might go left, so that - I'm guessing - they can bill it as the upset of the century and the ultimate rebuke of donald trump... the liberal bias in the media is more obvious than ever, and I can't understand why more people aren't disgusted by it...
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true... if the left wins a local election it means the whole country hates Trump... they just can't seem to get that win tho... Mellow
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Abrignac wrote:
This is as far as I'm concerned home server part dieux. If the leftist idiots didn't do stupid things there would nothing to use.




Are you saying that the lefts actions are responsible for this rightist advertisement?
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The DNC and many Bay area Californian lost a lot of money on this race.
Speyside Offline
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Doesn't the right always blame the liberals?
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I think the local commercial was just repeating facts that had already been spread nationwide.. except by the liberal media of course.. Mellow
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yjONEbcMi44
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I'd like to withdraw my pity post...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
i have noticed a recent trend with the media where they like to shine a spotlight on obscure races that they think might go left, so that - I'm guessing - they can bill it as the upset of the century and the ultimate rebuke of donald trump... the liberal bias in the media is more obvious than ever, and I can't understand why more people aren't disgusted by it...

this one had a little more star power than obscure races...Tom Price's vacant seat.
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frankj1 wrote:
this one had a little more star power than obscure races...Tom Price's vacant seat.

I don't mind saying I have no idea who that is...
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________________________________________
James Devine was the guy I was trying to think of in earlier post...not sure if he's of any real Dem consequence, but he's alternatively billed as a Democratic Operative, or Democratic Strategist...Last week, he tweeted about the shooting with a hashtag:

"We are in a war with selfish, foolish & narcissistic rich people. Why is it a shock when things turn violent? #HuntRepublicanCongressmen"
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I would guess the Ossoff ad was referring (at least in part) to that tweet
Not suggesting it justifies the attack ad...just perhaps explaining it a little
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Turns out the guy is clearly a fool and doesn't warrant the attention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCWylav8JHg
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some other dude posted '1 down 216 to go' on facebook or tweety or somethin... there were several... Mellow
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rfenst wrote:
Are you saying that the lefts actions are responsible for this rightist advertisement?



Im saying ever time Trump tweets something stupid the DEMS equate that to the apocalypse. Turn about is fair play. Or as my DEM sister would say if you want to run with the big dogs you better be able to pee in the tall grass.

For the record, the rhetoric needs to be toned down considerably by both sides and their proxies.
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The investigations will show that the ad was produced by the Russians...(listen closely and you'll hear Obama's "w's" have a soft "v" sound)...just another brick in the Russian wall of chosen American leaders...


Dems won't ever win another election in a R state as long as the Russians are helping them...and stuff...
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Laugh
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Al......you smoking 5 vegas?
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Herfing
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delta1 wrote:
The investigations will show that the ad was produced by the Russians...(listen closely and you'll hear Obama's "w's" have a soft "v" sound)...just another brick in the Russian wall of chosen American leaders...


Dems won't ever win another election in a R state as long as the Russians are helping them...and stuff...



Glad to see you finally got with the program.

Applause

Beer
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I know a bandwagon when I see one...Dems are gonna be wandering the "desert" (coastal regions) for dozens of years...
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It should go back to only the Landowners being able to vote. That would stop a lot of this hyper-politicized media nonsense.
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jjanecka wrote:
It should go back to only the Landowners being able to vote. That would stop a lot of this hyper-politicized media nonsense.


That wicked be good, even those that actually pay income taxes. We have too many voters and not enough earners.
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Taxation is theft...
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jjanecka wrote:
Taxation is theft...


True, but you're not going to avoid it without voting out the trash, a revolution or a leader that can actually: "drain the swamp"
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Gene363 wrote:
True, but you're not going to avoid it without voting out the trash, a revolution or a leader that can actually: "drain the swamp"

instead of strain the swamp?
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jjanecka wrote:
It should go back to only the Landowners being able to vote. That would stop a lot of this hyper-politicized media nonsense.



or we could just make it illegal for illegals to vote... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
or we could just make it illegal for illegals to vote... Mellow




Don't be silly, that just doesn't happen......statistically speaking. Whistle
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Former New York City Public Advocate Mark Green said Democrat Jon Ossoff's loss in Georgia is effectively a "tie."

Green said Rep-Elect. Karen Handel (R) won by a much narrower margin than predecessors Rep. Tom Price (R) and Rep. Newt Gingrich (R).

"Why did Republicans have to spend $30 million for what was otherwise a safe seat?" Green asked Tucker Carlson.

Green said that in all of the 2017 special elections, Democrats have narrowed their albeit losing margins by about 15 points.

Carlson pointed out that Handel outperformed Trump in the suburban Atlanta district.

Green's debate was cut short by President Trump's rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.


Film at 11... Think Think





So, losing isn't really losing anymore..?? Huh
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It's the new win, according to the Democrats.
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Drafter, this might be instructive....or not...maybe just sorta funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_OVlVR3LWI&feature=youtu.be
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