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5 MYTHS ABOUT DACA
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won't change any minds, but at least we should be able to separate emotions from facts...

The Trump administration’s move to rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, has created
an uncertain future for the 800,000 young unauthorized immigrants who had been granted protection from deportation and permission to work legally. A six-month delay provides a chance for Congress to save the 2012 program. But if we’re going to debate the merits of DACA, we should know what we’re talking about. Here are some common myths.

MYTH NO. 1

DACA incentivized an increase in illegal immigration.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) is among those who support ending DACA because it has “encouraged more illegal immigration and contributed to the surge of unaccompanied minors and families seeking to enter the U.S. illegally.” Statements like this betray a misunderstanding of who is eligible for deportation relief under the program. DACA applies only to immigrants who entered before their 16th birthdays and who have lived in the country continuously since at least June 15, 2007 — more than a decade ago. No one entering now can apply.

Perhaps the chairman thinks that children coming to the border are confused on this point. But the facts don’t support that view either. To begin with, the timing is wrong. According to data from the Border Patrol, the increase in migrant children in 2012 — the year President Barack Obama announced DACA — occurred entirely in the months before the president announced the policy. The rate of increase also remained the same in 2013 as it was in 2012. Even then, the total number of juveniles attempting to cross the border — unaccompanied and otherwise — never returned to the pre-recession levels of the mid-2000s.

If we’re going to debate the merits of DACA, we should know what we’re talking about.
Another problem with the theory is that although the majority of DACA beneficiaries are of Mexican origin, the increase in children crossing the border stems from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. These countries share one common trait: much higher than average levels of violence than anywhere else in North America. A careful study of this phenomenon by economist Michael Clemens found that more than anything else, a rise in homicides between 2007 and 2009 set off a chain of events that led to the rise of child migration.

Regardless, overall illegal immigration is far below where it was before the United States’ last legalization program, in 1986, when each border agent caught more than 40 border crossers per month. Last year, it was fewer than two per month. DACA had no effect on this trend.

MYTH NO. 2

DACA has taken jobs from Americans.

In announcing the Trump administration’s decision this past week, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said that DACA “denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same jobs to go to illegal aliens.” This myth even has a name in economics: the lump of labor fallacy. It supposes that the number of jobs in the economy is fixed, and that any increase in workers results in unemployment. Yet this notion is easily disproved. From 1970 to 2017, the U.S. labor force doubled. Rather than ending up with a 50 percent unemployment rate, U.S. employment doubled.

If adding workers made the economy poorer, we might expect that people would try to “free” themselves from competition by moving to a desolate mountain and making everything for themselves. That no one does so is an admission that competition is actually good. We depend on other workers, DACA recipients included, to buy the products and services we produce. That’s one reason earlier efforts to restrict immigration did not produce any wage gains.

MYTH NO. 3

Repealing DACA would benefit taxpayers.

Sessions also argued that ending DACA “protects taxpayers.” But the opposite is true. According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), first-generation immigrants who enter the United States as children (including all DACA recipients) pay, on average, more in taxes over their lifetimes than they receive in benefits, regardless of their education level. DACA recipients end up contributing more than the average, because they are not eligible for any federal means-tested welfare: cash assistance, food stamps, Medicaid, health-care tax credits or anything else.

They also are better educated than the average immigrant. Applicants must have at least a high school degree to enter the program. An additional 36 percent of DACA recipients who are older than 25 have a bachelor’s degree, and an additional 32 percent are pursuing a bachelor’s degree. The NAS finds that among recent immigrants who entered as children, those with a high school degree are positive to the government, to the tune of $60,000 to $153,000 in net present value, meaning it’s like each immigrant cutting a check for that amount at the door. For those with a bachelor’s degree, it’s a net positive of $160,000 to $316,000. Each DACA permit canceled is like burning tens of thousands of dollars in Washington.

MYTH NO. 4

DACA repeal protects communities from criminals.

DACA repeal, the attorney general further claimed, “saves lives” and “protects communities.” He implied that DACA “put our nation at risk of crime.” But DACA participants are not criminals. Unauthorized immigrants — the applicant pool for DACA — are much less likely to end up in prison, indicating lower levels of criminality. More important, to participate in DACA, applicants must pass a background check. They have to live here without committing a serious offense. If they are arrested, DACA can be taken away even without a conviction.

Only 2,139 out of almost 800,000 DACA recipients have lost their permits because of criminal or public safety concerns — that’s just a quarter of 1 percent. Four times as many U.S.-born Americans are in prison. About 35 times as many Americans have ended up behind bars at some point before age 34.

MYTH NO. 5

DACA repeal is just about politics.

Obama criticized the DACA move this past week as “a political decision” that was “not required legally.” But legal issues certainly factored into the Trump administration’s calculation. The timing coincided with a deadline that several states imposed on the administration, stating that if the president did not wind down DACA by Sept. 5, they would sue. If President Trump wanted to end DACA for political reasons, he could have done so on his first day in office.

Obama should know that defending DACA legally could be difficult. After all, when he attempted to implement a similar but much broader program in 2015 for undocumented parents of U.S. citizens, courts shut him down. Obama implemented DACA without going through Congress, and although some legal scholars dispute whether it faces the same legal issues as the 2015 program, the Trump administration would have confronted a real possibility of defeat had it had chosen to defend DACA in court.

The correct response, however — for economic reasons and security reasons, but above all for moral reasons — would have been to actively push for Congress to enact the program, not to announce its demise and leave the chips to fall where they may.

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David Bier is an immigration policy analyst at the Cato Institute.
DrafterX Offline
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Lots of speculation... If they come over illegally there's no way to verify when they came over... Mellow
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school records, work records, medical records, tax returns, etc...
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won't change minds, but at least facts are available


CATO Institute by the way.
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Interesting Frank.
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When have facts mattered here?
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Never, obviously.
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so it isn't about how to document who qualified under DACA,, the op, written by an analyst from a major (if not the leading) Libertarian think tank, a Koch creation, is turning the beliefs of Trump/Sessions and many here into Swiss Cheese by shooting holes all through the reasons for their convictions.

Had they started with the facts, they may have come to different conclusions.
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frankj1 wrote:
school records, work records, medical records, tax returns, etc...



Why is an illegal allowed to have any of these things..?? Mellow
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Why is a citizen allowed to have any of these thingsnn
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Cause... Mellow
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1) Not going to debate it, but to say that illegals didn't take jobs is horse****. For every illegal working in the US means a citizen isn't working. Unless employment is at 100% that premise is false.

2) They are here illegally so why are we even debating this?
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Isn't the goal to legislate something more permanent that wasn't a half-assed executive order?

I do question where this guy got the numbers though. I see illegals every day, and I can assure you that 36 percent of the ones older than 25 I see aren't college educated.

Everyone knows that 98.2 percent of all un-sourced statistics are made up on the fly.

Edit:

I imagine the conversation went something like this...

I heard that over a third of all illegal immigrants are college educated.

Oh, that's a lot, what's that in a percentage.

At least 30 percent.

We'll go with 33.

33 sounds like a bs number, why not make it 35

meh, 35 is too round, how about 36.

winnah!
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I tend to agree with you Ben. I can go by any Home Depot or Lowes any given day around 6:30 AM and there are plenty of non-English speaking people willing to work for 10/hr cash.

There are about 10 subdivisions under construction with 5 miles of my house. Each with at least 20 house under construction at any given time. And none of the workers habla ingles. How do I know this, because I'm currently trying to put a few crews in them putting down flooring and tile.
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I believe he is not saying any percent of illegals in general are anything. He is referencing the roughly 800,000 that fall under DACA.

Easier to decipher without anger.

And for the third time, not posting to change minds, just to clear the falsehoods bandied about used to support the anti sentiment. Be against it with the truth, not emotion.
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I can't believe that one of c-bids few lovable libs is getting a thread beat up that comes from a strongly rightist (think Koch!) publication!

This wasn't an editorial culled from The Daily Worker.

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frankj1 wrote:
I believe he is not saying any percent of illegals in general are anything. He is referencing the roughly 800,000 that fall under DACA.

Easier to decipher without anger.

And for the third time, not posting to change minds, just to clear the falsehoods bandied about used to support the anti sentiment. Be against it with the truth, not emotion.


Should have qualified things. I wasn't angry when Insaid horse****. That's part of my daily vocabulary. I have a potty mouth.

And the entire article is deflection. I wouldn't care if it were 1 or 1,000,000. There're here illegally and need to go. Let them complete the same process every other immigrant has gone through since whitey conquered the injuns and set up house.
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frankj1 wrote:
I can't believe that one of c-bids few lovable libs is getting a thread beat up that comes from a strongly rightist (think Koch!) publication!

This wasn't an editorial culled from The Daily Worker.



It's CBid? Do you expect rational behavior? Just when you have it all figured out someone outflankes you.
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It's CBid? Do you expect rational behavior? Just when you have it all figured out someone outflankes you.

I know that you know that I know that you know that I haven't stopped grinning since I first read this in the local paper today.

I even went to CATO site to make sure.

Near the end, he does point out that Obama would have had difficulty legally defending DACA, but after considering the truth about "economic reasons, security reasons, but above all moral reasons, the correct response would have been to push for Congress to enact the program not announce it's demise and let the chips fall where they may".

That should frame the debate.
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Rewarding bad behavior sets a bad precedent. Children or not, at fault or not, we have immigration laws that need to be enforced and followed.

MANY people immigrate here legally. It takes time, money, and effort. Rewarding people here illegally with a path to citizenship is a slap in the face to those who follow our laws and do it right.
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frankj1 wrote:
I know that you know that I know that you know that I haven't stopped grinning since I first read this in the local paper today.

I even went to CATO site to make sure.

Near the end, he does point out that Obama would have had difficulty legally defending DACA, but after considering the truth about "economic reasons, security reasons, but above all moral reasons, the correct response would have been to push for Congress to enact the program not announce it's demise and let the chips fall where they may".

That should frame the debate.


Oh I'm sure you had a big smile. BTW, my battery died....
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Abrignac wrote:
Oh I'm sure you had a big smile. BTW, my battery died....

my battery died...too easy. I'll let that soft ball slide right by.

I thought you needed to put another quarter in the meter of your Obama phone.

Once again Anth, nice talking to ya...going out with a bowl and a bourbon, maybe a beer. Back in a while.
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MACS wrote:
Rewarding bad behavior sets a bad precedent. Children or not, at fault or not, we have immigration laws that need to be enforced and followed.

MANY people immigrate here legally. It takes time, money, and effort. Rewarding people here illegally with a path to citizenship is a slap in the face to those who follow our laws and do it right.

perfectly legit. But then you've never been one to formulate opinions based on emotional inflammatory claims.

I guess I was pleased and surprised to find the debunking of myths supported by the POTUS to be from that side of the aisle.

Refreshing.
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Don't Obama phones use Kenyan shillings?
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Speyside wrote:
Don't Obama phones use Kenyan shillings?


That's what Drafter heard.
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yet another emotional inflammatory claim...but funny
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I'd rather see all these azzhats from California leave Texas. They're the reall immigration crisis.
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Frank, much of what is put down in your OP is speculative @ best. After all...how do you compile HONEST numbers on 800,000 individuals who arrived here ILLEGALLY? I'm sorry but I'm not buying any of it as FACT as your trying to claim AND moreover IF the parents of these brats didn't care enough to introduce their children to OUR country in a legal fashion....I couldn't care less about their fate.
I'm SICK and TIRED of all the bleeding hearts endless " Think about the children " claims....THEIR OWN PARENTS PUT THEM IN THE CROSS HAIRS BY BREAKING OUR COUNTRIES LAWS. WE OWE THEM NOTHING
I'd like to see if peoples attitudes towards this unfettered ILLEGAL migration would change if the industry in which they're employed were being affected by them.
The ONLY children I have any concern for are those who were born and raised here or those who followed our countries laws to become a legal US Citizen.
They want a DREAM....start their own movement in Mehico....#MMGA
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frankj1 wrote:
yet another emotional inflammatory claim...but funny



That's funny....because that is EXACTLY how I look @ DACA, an inflammatory claim that these illegal kids deserve ANYTHING here short of a return trip.
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So, you're saying Frank changed your mind..?? Huh
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Frankj1

You new name is...

Frankie LONG CUT AND PASTE-TEEEEEE tripod
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TMCTLT wrote:
Frank, much of what is put down in your OP is speculative @ best. After all...how do you compile HONEST numbers on 800,000 individuals who arrived here ILLEGALLY? I'm sorry but I'm not buying any of it as FACT as your trying to claim AND moreover IF the parents of these brats didn't care enough to introduce their children to OUR country in a legal fashion....I couldn't care less about their fate.
I'm SICK and TIRED of all the bleeding hearts endless " Think about the children " claims....THEIR OWN PARENTS PUT THEM IN THE CROSS HAIRS BY BREAKING OUR COUNTRIES LAWS. WE OWE THEM NOTHING
I'd like to see if peoples attitudes towards this unfettered ILLEGAL migration would change if the industry in which they're employed were being affected by them.
The ONLY children I have any concern for are those who were born and raised here or those who followed our countries laws to become a legal US Citizen.
They want a DREAM....start their own movement in Mehico....#MMGA

again, not expecting to change minds. But this bleeding heart piece is from a very conservative Libertarian. Surveys show that a strong majority of Americans from all parties and religions support having Congress make this work to keep the winners, pretty much as bipartisan agreement as America has on anything right now.

I believe that the roughly 800,000 in the program signed up and had to qualify for "protection" or be removed from that status...things like earned diplomas, military service, gainful employment, no criminal history etc. And legal or not, on average as a group they have outperformed American born kids, and we profit from them, they are not the drain on taxpayers many incorrectly claim,...none of which is reason to allow them to stay, I know that.

But these are not the migrant farm workers, nor the desperate willing to take low wage jobs, nor those looking for welfare...everything you and many good people hate. These are the types you'd normally encourage to join us in improving our society...just that they were the children of parents who came illegally rather than adults coming on their own.

Obama began this correctly, but definitely overreached when Congress ignored his calls to create a plan. I don't say this often, but Trump may be making the same correct demand of Congress now, and I endorse him on this.

Other than that, how do you round up 800,000 people who signed up in hopes of passing the test, never mind the 10 million we cannot trace at all, and deport them? It is fantasy to think it could ever happen.

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DrafterX wrote:
So, you're saying Frank changed your mind..?? Huh

I swear I'm not trying to do that...wise guy!

How's the hind leg today?
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Laugh


Lost my cane a couple days ago.. getting around pretty good.. back to work tomorrow.. that will be the test... Bummer is I'm being relocated to a different building and I've got to pack up my stuff and move... Same job just some reorganization to make me more accessible to the machine shop...Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Laugh


Lost my cane a couple days ago.. getting around pretty good.. back to work tomorrow.. that will be the test... Bummer is I'm being relocated to a different building and I've got to pack up my stuff and move... Same job just some reorganization to make me more accessible to the machine shop...Mellow



Dont over do it slick, Just because I am curious I would think there is still some residual pain from the surgery but over all is it better than it was presurgery?
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Pain is getting better every day but exercises hurt like hell... Being on my feet too long hurts.. but I'm dealing with it ok.. going back to work is prolly the best thin I can do right now... And I start a 4 week regiment of physical therapy tomorrow... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Pain is getting better every day but exercises hurt like hell... Being on my feet too long hurts.. but I'm dealing with it ok.. going back to work is prolly the best thin I can do right now... And I start a 4 week regiment of physical therapy tomorrow... Mellow



Yeah I would imagine the exercise will be a bit of a pain in the arse for a while. It will take a while to where you build back up to where being on your feet will not hurt. I would think going back to work is a good thing as well just dont over do man. It will take time to get her back up there, next thing you know you will be running marathons lmaooo.
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Maybe... I've lost about 10lbs since the surgery.. so I gots that going for me... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Laugh


Lost my cane a couple days ago.. getting around pretty good.. back to work tomorrow.. that will be the test... Bummer is I'm being relocated to a different building and I've got to pack up my stuff and move... Same job just some reorganization to make me more accessible to the machine shop...Mellow


That's a lot of trouble...they ought to just drill a glory-hole in your office wall to give the machinists access to you...


DrafterX wrote:
Pain is getting better every day but exercises hurt like hell... Being on my feet too long hurts.. but I'm dealing with it ok.. going back to work is prolly the best thin I can do right now... And I start a 4 week regiment of physical therapy tomorrow... Mellow




You're gonna like the physical therapy, especially when a therapist has you sitting up on a high bench so your lower legs can dangle over the side...hopefully its a hottie cuz when she grabs your leg with the new knee and pushes it back for maximum flex...............wowweeeeeeeeeeeeee......


too bad you have a sausage and not a tripod, or you can dangle the tripod over the side of the bench and hope to have that manipulated
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Laugh
I had a therapist coming to the house but now I have to go to them... Their visits should be immediately followed by a pain therapist... Mellow
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frank is treading in dangerous waters here...exposing the conservatives' drift away from their ideological core, which at one time, had a solid, coherent and consistent foundation...now it's a flavor of the day cafeteria plan...becoming more like us moor-less libs...



RIP Cato the Elder, John Locke, Alexander Hamilton, Milton Friedman and William Buckley...where have you gone, George Will?
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No Moorish liberals, that makes sense.
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frankj1 wrote:


MYTH NO. 2

DACA has taken jobs from Americans.

In announcing the Trump administration’s decision this past week, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said that DACA “denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same jobs to go to illegal aliens.” This myth even has a name in economics: the lump of labor fallacy. It supposes that the number of jobs in the economy is fixed, and that any increase in workers results in unemployment. Yet this notion is easily disproved. From 1970 to 2017, the U.S. labor force doubled. Rather than ending up with a 50 percent unemployment rate, U.S. employment doubled.

If adding workers made the economy poorer, we might expect that people would try to “free” themselves from competition by moving to a desolate mountain and making everything for themselves. That no one does so is an admission that competition is actually good. We depend on other workers, DACA recipients included, to buy the products and services we produce. That’s one reason earlier efforts to restrict immigration did not produce any wage gains.

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I know Frank.

I don't think he actually read this.

The highlighted passage is irrelevant. Yet it's the crux of the authors "point".


Not only does the addition of illegal aliens make finding a job tougher, it also brings down the wages due to simple supply/demand.

To quote a friend of mine: "I know this won't change anyone's mind".
But it's the truth.

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Wage stagnation is a fact.

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All kind of a moot point since Trump is attempting to cut a deal with Pelosi and Schumer. Or has he already cut a deal? fog
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Tomorrow's Time's headlines, 'Trump lied, DACA died'
Mellow
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wow
gotta love those daca "facts"

glad the author kept emotion and politics separate

when we consider these "facts" it seems obama was even lying in his audacity of hope book:
Quote:
“[T]here’s no denying that many blacks share the same anxieties as many whites about the wave of illegal immigration flooding our Southern border—a sense that what’s happening now is fundamentally different from what has gone on before,” then-Senator Obama wrote in his 2006 autobiography, “The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.”

”Not all these fears are irrational,” he wrote.

“The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century,” Obama noted. “If this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole—especially by keeping our workforce young, in contrast to an increasingly geriatric Europe and Japan—it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net.”
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frankj1 wrote:
again, not expecting to change minds. But this bleeding heart piece is from a very conservative Libertarian. Surveys show that a strong majority of Americans from all parties and religions support having Congress make this work to keep the winners, pretty much as bipartisan agreement as America has on anything right now.



that is because we are now a country of men and feelings rather than laws
every amnesty bill will be the last, until it isnt
"think about the chillruns," works everytime
and if you disagree you are obviously a hate filled racist, rich, priveleged, etc...
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gummy jones wrote:
that is because we are now a country of men and feelings rather than laws
every amnesty bill will be the last, until it isnt
"think about the chillruns," works everytime
and if you disagree you are obviously a hate filled racist, rich, priveleged, etc...

reread the article. Can't find anywhere that the Libertarian wrote that
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tailgater wrote:
I know Frank.

I don't think he actually read this.

The highlighted passage is irrelevant. Yet it's the crux of the authors "point".


Not only does the addition of illegal aliens make finding a job tougher, it also brings down the wages due to simple supply/demand.

To quote a friend of mine: "I know this won't change anyone's mind".
But it's the truth.


why would I read it?
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