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2nd Amendment Struck Down
RDC Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2000
Posts: 5,874
We are getting screwed again...


SAN FRANCISCO — A federal appeals court, upholding California's assault-weapons ban, decided that the Second Amendment does not guarantee individuals the right to bear arms.





The three-judge panel's unanimous ruling Thursday conflicts with Attorney General John Ashcroft's interpretation of the Second Amendment and with a 2001 ruling by the federal appeals in New Orleans.

The decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said the amendment's right to bear arms is intended to maintain effective state militias and is not an individual right.

"The historical record makes it equally plain that the amendment was not adopted in order to afford rights to individuals with respect to private gun ownership or possession," Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals is the same federal court that ruled earlier this year that the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance violates the separation of church and state.

National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it was too early to know how Thursday's ruling will affect the gun rights debate, but he said the NRA was disappointed.

"For 131 years we've been standing steadfastly to protect the freedoms of all law abiding Americans and stand steadfastly that the Second Amendment is an individual right and will continue to do so," Arulanandam said.

The amendment reads, in full: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

In its ruling last year, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans said the Second Amendment does protect an individual's right to bear arms, but that those rights are subject to narrowly tailored restrictions.

Ashcroft has said that the Second Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms, compelling a flood of defendants to petition federal judges to vacate their weapons convictions.

Judges, however, have balked at the petitions and upheld the laws prohibiting felons from possessing firearms and other gun prohibitions. Many of those cases are on appeal.

Attorneys for the gun owners who sued in the case decided Thursday did not return telephone calls seeking comment on whether they would appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The appellate court said the high court's guidance on the gun control issue has been "not entirely illuminating."

In 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a federal law prohibiting the interstate transport of sawed-off shotguns. The Supreme Court found that the weapon in question was not suitable for use in the militia and therefore not constitutionally protected.

In Thursday's case, weapons owners challenged 1999 amendments to the 1989 California law that outlawed 75 high-powered weapons with rapid-fire capabilities.

The initial law, enacted in response to a 1989 schoolyard shooting in Stockton that killed five children and wounded 30, banned certain makes and models of firearms. The amendments banned additional "copycat" weapons based on a host of features, instead of particular models.

"While I respect the rights of Californians to pursue hunting and sports shooting, and of law-abiding citizens to protect their homes and businesses, there is no need for these military style weapons to be on the streets in our state," said Bill Lockyer, California's attorney general.

Following California's lead, several states and the federal government have passed similar or stricter bans.

The 9th Circuit has been known for rulings to the left of its peers.

In June, another 9th Circuit panel ruled that the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance was an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion. Reinhardt voted with the majority in that 2-1 ruling, which is on hold pending appeal.

The case is Silveira v. Lockyer, 01-15098.
Charlie Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals is a far left wing liberal court and has made some really bad rulings in the past and will continue to do so!

Simply do not go before them if at all possible!

Charlie
rayder1 Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 06-02-2002
Posts: 2,226
The 9th US Cirsuit Court of Appeals is the favorite court for extremists to take their way out left beliefs and have them confirmed by a Federal Court.

The proximity to Berkeley is no mistake. The "so called" free thinkers who can think of nothing but ways to remove our freedoms live, exist and get elected into high office there.

Every time I start to miss the SF Bay Area, I remember its a place with cities that prohibit one from smoking within view of the public. Drinking a beer in one's front yard is a misdemeanor.

Understand the impact of this law in California. Those of you who have the misfortune of living here. If you own any of the types of firearms listed in the State ban, you were required to register that weapon. Don't believe it was to protect your rights or give you license to keep the gun. It was a way for the state to know who had what gun and where. When they complete the ban and require everyone to turn in thier evil guns, they will have a database to know who has turned in their bad guns and who hasn't.

The lawmakers think it is going to solve crime or reduce the occurance of high number high proflile crimes. As I see it, we haven't banned aircraft yet. When the truck driver drove his rig into the State Capitol building, they didn't ban Peterbilts. Nor was the Ford F150 banned when a fleeing felon mowed down the 3 pedestrians in Santa Ana.

Criminals don't live by society's rules. They don't register their guns and they dont abide by bans. Russian criminal organizations have always been well armed even though there has been an extremely restrictive ban on privately owned weapons in that country for 80 years. Same for England and Germany.

Street thugs done live in the same dimension as the rest of us. In their world, everyone knows someone that can find and get anything anytime.
Tobasco Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2003
Posts: 2,809
Well said Rader1. I live in San Jose. Does the drinking in the front yard law pertain to me here? Sometims I'll be cutting the lawn out front with one. Mag
eleltea Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 03-03-2002
Posts: 4,562
So the second amendment is really about the State's right to own weapons. Hmmmm. Our founding fathers then were really not very bright, the way they worded it, huh. I suppose one day the 9th circus will decide free speech is a State's right, too.
cwilhelmi Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 07-24-2001
Posts: 2,739
let me make sure I understand this ruling, it will only ban "assault" weapons. Is this true or will it have an effect on handguns and rifles?

Also, do you have to register your handgun in cali? I heard from a friend of my roommate who is a police officer that it wasn't necessary. Is this true?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
no my friend. the federal government has decided they are the arbitrators of free speech. see most of my posts prior to my hiatus.

SteveS i waited as i promised.
rayder1 Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 06-02-2002
Posts: 2,226
We register handguns in California. The only exemption is hunting rifles, lever action, bolt action, less than 5 rd detachible magazine capacity.

I think it is legal to drink outside the house in SJ, but go to Los Gatos and they have a whole bunch of stupid laws there.
THL Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 10-22-2002
Posts: 3,044
Ben Franklin said that historically republics degenerate into democracies, which then revert to despotism.
Charlie Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
Mag, it is against the law to drink in front yard in any city in California, but not really enforced...........but try and smoke a cigar in a no smoking zoned area, and watch what happens!

9th Circuit Court should be disbanded!

Charlie
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