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President Trump, why you are appreciative or disappointed.
Speyside Offline
#1 Posted:
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The level of anger here has became extreme in my opinion. I simply want to state my feelings about president Trump. If others want to do so great.

The majority of his goals are different than what I want for the country. His tweets are bothersome. His constant changing backtracking on deals or statements of his willingness to deal is disheartening. The feeling that he is only concerned about the wealthy is disappointing. His dealings with the environment seems like making money is more important that preserving and improving the environment.

Just my 2 cents, but I wanted to state this in a non argumentative format.
MACS Offline
#2 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Dow up 32% since inauguration... economic growth topping 3% for 2 quarters and predicted to top 4% for the 4th... retail sales post biggest gains since 2014... unemployment at lowest level in 17 years (even though I don't like how they compute it, it was the same computation for Obama)... number of Americans receiving jobless benefits at a 45 year low (again, not a fan of the computation but it's the same)... American's on food stamps at the lowest level since 2010.

^^^ That right there is why people voted for him.
dstieger Offline
#3 Posted:
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Funny thing.....if I do a little introspection....my appreciation for Trump seems to come from the same neighborhood as my appreciation for Obama did.....I'm something of an injustice warrior...not to be confused with social justice warriors.

My dislike of Trump (and Obama) runs fairly deep and strong. But I find myself defending them more than attacking. My sense of justice is offended by the incredible TDS...(and ObDS?).....I find it difficult to comprehend that some of the Trump haters here can even believe some of the stuff they write. So, I try to come to some sort of understanding of truth and work from there. Unfortunately, truth is the first casualty on nearly any thread in cbid Politics, so I'm just generally just tilting at windmills.....(ironically?), Quixote said "The truth may be stretched thin, but it never breaks, and it always surfaces above lies, as oil floats on water."....I'm not so sure any more
deadeyedick Offline
#4 Posted:
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I'm appreciative of the way the economy is going and not disappointed because he is what I thought he was long ago.
teedubbya Offline
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I’m glad the economy is doing well and hope it continues. I gave credit to his predecessor as well for the very same reason.

My 401k was pretty beat up following bush.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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dstieger wrote:
Funny thing.....if I do a little introspection....my appreciation for Trump seems to come from the same neighborhood as my appreciation for Obama did.....I'm something of an injustice warrior...not to be confused with social justice warriors.

My dislike of Trump (and Obama) runs fairly deep and strong. But I find myself defending them more than attacking. My sense of justice is offended by the incredible TDS...(and ObDS?).....I find it difficult to comprehend that some of the Trump haters here can even believe some of the stuff they write. So, I try to come to some sort of understanding of truth and work from there. Unfortunately, truth is the first casualty on nearly any thread in cbid Politics, so I'm just generally just tilting at windmills.....(ironically?), Quixote said "The truth may be stretched thin, but it never breaks, and it always surfaces above lies, as oil floats on water."....I'm not so sure any more


Serious question... what is truth?
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted:
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I am disappointed because as much as I despise him personally I was hopeful he would negotiate and compromise to make deals... like Reagan did.

I dispise the 100% or nothing crowd of both parties. It’s ok for that wing to influence things but not to dictate or drive things.

So far the sliver of Trump that I have hope in, the deal maker wheeler dealer has been absent and the 100% or nothing part of the party, which is well represented in here, has driven things.

I’m hoping the floodgates open and bipartisan agreements flood through. Bipartisan agreements almost always are stronger and represent America better than the one sided crap. The other side isn’t the enemy, they are your neighbors.

And I still hope trump comes through in this regard. He needs to cull some of the herd around him though.
dstieger Offline
#8 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Serious question... what is truth?



It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.
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#9 Posted:
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True... everything comes down to definition of words... I'm guessing we could come to a wide consensus pretty quickly on the word "is"... "truth", not so much...
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I won't argue.....but if 'true', that we get broad disagreements on what is veracity...what is factual....whether there's 'truth' in specific statements, stories, etc.... then maybe we have bigger problems than I can fathom
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#11 Posted:
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I think trump feels beholden to the extreme right of his party to protect him from the investigations which ties his hands. I do think he’d be cutting more deals and being more bipartisan if the threat wasn’t there and it wasn’t a fist fight. It’s unfortunate.
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#12 Posted:
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I typically steer far away from " Discussing Politics" but since Allen asked and I respect him I will answer.

I come from a different stock than most now a days. I remember and miss the times when a man was respected for what he says, how he behaves, and by his actions. I remember when an election was held honorably among gentlemen. Trump has no honor he has EGO and lots of it. I feel the only reason he made office is because of people being pissed off and everyone seems to want to vote for the idiot that made the biggest ass of himself on the boob tube. I call them the Jerry Springer generation. I think he is a moron and he surrounds himself with morons. If you can't judge a man by his heart judge him by the friends he keeps, and the only respect he gets from me is the fact that he is our POTUS. I guess you could say it's the position I respect but the man not in this lifetime.
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I dislike that we lowered our standards to elect someone so dismissive of the norms established for the Presidency. His disdain for the truth and willingness to lie about anything has cheapened the weight and respect the Office commands. The US has lost its standing among the leaders of the world, largely because of his words and actions. He has proven that his decision-making is driven more by self-centered motives than by doing something on behalf of the American people. It is unbecoming, and absolutely mind-boggling, that we accept a man in the office who is running a business at the same time that he is president, and is enriching himself, his family and business partners. He refuses to allow the American people to review his finances in his tax returns, to prove he is making decisions for us, not for himself.

His attacks on individuals and institutions, including the DOJ, US Intelligence agencies, Congress, the Justice system, international partnerships, the media and American criminal and civil law has an affect to undermine them and is part of his authoritarian style. The Presidency has evolved into the national reality TV show while he's been in office, because he is always in 'Look At Me " mode. He does not seem to want to know the history of this country and how the past should advise his decision making. He refuses to acquire detailed knowledge about the issues before him, displaying a shallowness that dooms many of his decisions to temporary status. Flip-flop was a slur at one time...he has made it an acceptable political manuever...

His persistent self-promotion and the way his appointees throw themselves at his feet and shower him with "you are great" accolades that seem insincere has a banana republic look.

There is hope for him to score some points...he seems to be interested in a massive infrastructure plan...one that is way over due...which could help many Americans by providing good-paying long-term jobs while re-building America.
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted:
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in a related issue...

I am disappointed in Pence, though not surprised...

over the years, I've seen more than one holier-than-thou talk trash about right and wrong, morality vs sin, how I should live my life, blah blah blah.

yet he must value position over proper behavior, or he would either try to council or quit.

not gonna happen, just another phony. too bad, if he was the real deal he would have voiced objection to the nonsense boasting and insanity instead of staying quiet and keeping his useless job.
dstieger Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
in a related issue...

I am disappointed in Pence, though not surprised...

over the years, I've seen more than one holier-than-thou talk trash about right and wrong, morality vs sin, how I should live my life, blah blah blah.

yet he must value position over proper behavior, or he would either try to council or quit.

not gonna happen, just another phony. too bad, if he was the real deal he would have voiced objection to the nonsense boasting and insanity instead of staying quiet and keeping his useless job.


interesting....I don't think I'm disappointed in Pence...if I happen to think of him at all, that is.

he appears to me to be exactly what I expected; an empty suit who can stick to a script - makes for a reasonable enough stabilizing cardboard cut-out to Trump's 'unorthodoxy-ness'

I don't know enough to consider that he has NOT counseled against silliness, but honestly, can you imagine anyone who could effectively deliver such a message AND not get fired AND have a positive impact? I can't --- though I suspect that Gen Kelly might be accomplishing it to some small degree....tweets that make me go WTF??? have decreased measurably in recent weeks ...or months, even
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#16 Posted:
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I didn't vote for him.

I might in the next election.

I haven't voted for a major incumbent candidate in over a decade.

In the late 90's a new phenomenon happened in pro wrestling, we got heels who got over. This is EXACTLY what Trump is. He struts, he taunts, he sets people up and he trolls. I don't like the whole package of any of his accomplishments but the direction is good (well better).

I cannot stand the rules for radicals behavior by many Ds. I don't like their brand of globalism or "progress" and despite the popular vote they cannot be honest about their objectives. Incremental movementioned based on half truths.

He isn't trying to be what old people think is presidential because he doesn't believe he can get done what he wants to that way and it's not him.
Mattie B Offline
#17 Posted:
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This is easy....I’m both. And I think any logical person would feel the same way.
I’m proud of some of his accomplishments and then there are times I shake my head.

Appreciative:
Tax reform. This is HUGE for the industry where I work.
N Korea. He’s been very clear that we aren’t playing
Israel. He strengthened our relationship there
The Economy. The market is at a record high
Attended ceremony for Civil Rights Musuem in Jackson MS. Locals boycotted the opening because he was coming. He made an appearance anyway....good for him. Yet they call him a racist.

Disappointed:
Twitter. He reminds me of Victor always trying to be smarter or more correct. Just shut up!!!
The whole Obamacare deal but I blame congress more for that.
Sobek501 Offline
#18 Posted:
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Its just funny to see Evangelical Christian Base support Trump.  Dare I say its almost hypocritically comical... 

The 2 party system has done nothing beneficial for the American people in large part.  Like flipping a quarter and expecting it to come up anything other than quarter. 





Sobek501 Offline
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I would like to see that hearing protection Act take place though..
delta1 Offline
#20 Posted:
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yeah, and the big corporations and wealthiest among us like it that way...the monied class always wins, regardless of which party is in power...American idealism about a true democracy keeps getting eroded...
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I'm grateful that our self-absorbed bus driver who's texting as he steers hasn't crashed our bus. I don't know how much his braggadicio works for us or against us. Is he successful despite himself? Dunno.

I'm saddened by the widening divide between Americans and how we are perceived internationally.
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dstieger wrote:
interesting....I don't think I'm disappointed in Pence...if I happen to think of him at all, that is.

he appears to me to be exactly what I expected; an empty suit who can stick to a script - makes for a reasonable enough stabilizing cardboard cut-out to Trump's 'unorthodoxy-ness'

I don't know enough to consider that he has NOT counseled against silliness, but honestly, can you imagine anyone who could effectively deliver such a message AND not get fired AND have a positive impact? I can't --- though I suspect that Gen Kelly might be accomplishing it to some small degree....tweets that make me go WTF??? have decreased measurably in recent weeks ...or months, even

yeah, true.
How disappointed could I be if I'm not surprised that he has not acted in a manner consistent with his claims?
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Sobek501 wrote:
I would like to see that hearing protection Act take place though..

Warren's bipartisan bill?
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HuckFinn wrote:
I'm grateful that our self-absorbed bus driver who's texting as he steers hasn't crashed our bus. I don't know how much his braggadicio works for us or against us. Is he successful despite himself? Dunno.

I'm saddened by the widening divide between Americans and how we are perceived internationally.


It's kinda weird how obsessed you are with what the international community thinks or perceives of the US...
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Kawak wrote:
It's kinda weird how obsessed you are with what the international community thinks or perceives of the US...

The way i see it, the world is shrinking. It's a global community more now than ever before.
The further we pull back from old allies and others the more countries like China, Russia & Iran step in.
I think our ideology is superior to any, anywhere. Our being at the forefront of what comes next matters.
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Sobek501 wrote:
I would like to see that hearing protection Act take place though..



What?
Kawak Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
The way i see it, the world is shrinking. It's a global community more now than ever before.
The further we pull back from old allies and others the more countries like China, Russia & Iran step in.
I think our ideology is superior to any, anywhere. Our being at the forefront of what comes next matters.


I guess I misunderstood or am misunderstanding what you mean by 'perceived" then.

If it's Trumps mannerisms, trust me in many of the worlds cultures he fits right in. All this faux political elitism and ruling class crap is what's wrong with politics

China, Russia and Iran are nothing if we're not leading. What do you think would happen if we pulled all economics from those countries?

If your talking militarily, except for nukes I wouldn't worry.

The world needs the US to be a leader. When we're not and go on apology tours chit falls apart.
Sobek501 Offline
#28 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
What?


Removing suppressors from the class 3 list;)

teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted:
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I keep waiting. Don’t want to drop $200 then have it change.
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teedubbya wrote:
I keep waiting. Don’t want to drop $200 then have it change.


Absolutely! That $ better spent on the can itself, or maybe even a few good sticks..
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I like Trump because he's running the preaidency in the exact same manner that I would.
delta1 Offline
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It'd be great if he was running a fraternity house in Alabama...
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jjanecka wrote:
I like Trump because he's running the preaidency in the exact same manner that I would.

And what a preaident he is!
teedubbya Offline
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You got to like a man who would hit his daughter and thinks shes a fine piece of arse
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teedubbya wrote:
You got to like a man who would hit his daughter and thinks shes a fine piece of arse



Better than Stormy?

Melania didn't want to go to Switzerland with him.
Wonder why?
delta1 Offline
#36 Posted:
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kinda stormy over there?
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#37 Posted:
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Sobek501 wrote:
Its just funny to see Evangelical Christian Base support Trump.  Dare I say its almost hypocritically comical... 

The 2 party system has done nothing beneficial for the American people in large part.  Like flipping a quarter and expecting it to come up anything other than quarter. 






+1


It is telling that the evangelical Christian base so easily turns a blind eye to the mans character and actions. Hell, clinton on a BJ and we all have to hear about it for years.


Of course, the owners of our country are now fully enabled to do as they please. Which is damaging the illusion of democracy that we tend to have......
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Brewha wrote:
+1


It is telling that the evangelical Christian base so easily turns a blind eye to the mans character and actions. Hell, clinton on a BJ and we all have to hear about it for years.


Of course, the owners of our country are now fully enabled to do as they please. Which is damaging the illusion of democracy that we tend to have......

It wasn't that Clinton got a BJ, it was the "I categorically did not have sex with that woman" denials and "it all depends on what the definition of "IS" is" BS that kept people talking..........Not talking
Brewha Offline
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To change the subject from the sexual abuse of the POTUS.

Cheap trick - but it works for the lower half....
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RMAN4443 wrote:
It wasn't that Clinton got a BJ, it was the "I categorically did not have sex with that woman" denials and "it all depends on what the definition of "IS" is" BS that kept people talking..........Not talking

I dunno. I think it was the BJ, and the stain on the blue dress.

and the shame on you that rained down on Clinton by the panel of senators who all eventually admitted to affairs...

someone has to pay the dry cleaner.
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Shame.....

Shame on you
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#42 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Shame.....

Shame on you

I know, right?
Guess who paid the cleaner...this guy!
Submitted the receipt...still waiting for reimbursement.
teedubbya Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
It wasn't that Clinton got a BJ, it was the "I categorically did not have sex with that woman" denials and "it all depends on what the definition of "IS" is" BS that kept people talking..........Not talking



and this is in defense of trump?
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frankj1 wrote:
I dunno. I think it was the BJ, and the stain on the blue dress.

and the shame on you that rained down on Clinton by the panel of senators who all eventually admitted to affairs...

someone has to pay the dry cleaner.


well yeah, that got it started, but JFK had a "couple" of affairs and it never seemed to be as big deal as Clinton's BJ and splooge on the blue dress caused.Anxious


I heard Monica Lewinsky had a yard sale last fall and sold a couple of her old pocketbooks. Michelle Obama bought one, and when she opened it and looked inside do you know what she found?.................A big Wad of Bill'sLOL

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teedubbya wrote:
and this is in defense of trump?

not a defense of anyone, just an observation........
teedubbya Offline
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Ok because if there is anyone who lies more and is more slippery than clinton its trump. It's a pretty tough competition in that regard. I think bill might be smarter.

I wouldn't defend either but its strange to watch some defend one but not the other.
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RMAN4443 wrote:

I heard Monica Lewinsky had a yard sale last fall and sold a couple of her old pocketbooks. Michelle Obama bought one, and when she opened it and looked inside do you know what she found?.................A big Wad of Bill'sLOL


LOL!!!
for real.
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teedubbya wrote:
Ok because if there is anyone who lies more and is more slippery than clinton its trump. It's a pretty tough competition in that regard. I think bill might be smarter.

I wouldn't defend either but its strange to watch some defend one but not the other.

well smart might be a relative term what with the whole "it depends what the definition of IS is" defense......I mean I'm not all that bright myself, but I do know what the definition of IS is........
teedubbya Offline
#49 Posted:
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Trump and his supporters make stretch’s like that for their defense repeatedly
Brewha Offline
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That’s what I heard, and stuff.....
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