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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted:
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...school shooting.

Surprised no one posted the whole "prayers for blah blah blah"... but I guess that's the nature of our current news cycle and rate of mass shootings... a couple dead an 14 injured just doesn't have the news impact it used to... what with all the other insane crap going on.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/23/us/kentucky-high-school-shooting/index.html
bgz Offline
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I didn't click the link...

This is good, the less exposure they get, the less likely there will be future copycats.
Speyside Offline
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It has became the expectable. It no longer outrages me. Find the shooter, execute the shooter. Meh.
Kawak Offline
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In other news...

100 people died today in car crashes. I'm calling for car ban

3 People died by knives. I'm calling for knife ban

2 People were murdered in Chicago yesterday...and today...and tomorrow...Please post those each day also. I'm calling for liberal politician ban
bgz Offline
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Calm down righty, victor isn't trying to take my guns.
victor809 Offline
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Kawak wrote:
In other news...

100 people died today in car crashes. I'm calling for car ban

3 People died by knives. I'm calling for knife ban

2 People were murdered in Chicago yesterday...and today...and tomorrow...Please post those each day also. I'm calling for liberal politician ban


Why do you want a ban on cars, knives or liberal politicians?

sounds like you're a commie libtard. Go learn to read and come back later
delta1 Offline
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Sandy Hook proved that we don't care about the childrens...
DrafterX Offline
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Wow.. I care... I missed the news tonite.. I had no idea... Very sad... Sad
DrafterX Offline
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One of the reporters who raced to a Kentucky high school on Tuesday after reports that shots had been fired was likely not prepared for what she found out at the scene.


The suspect, a 15-year-old boy, was her son, the Louisville Courier-Journal reported.

The shooting in Benton, which left two students dead and 21 injured, rocked the close-knit community of about 4,500 in southwestern Kentucky.

The mother and other family members declined to comment, the report said.

Authorities have still not announced the suspect's motive.

'Cultural problem'


As school shootings become more commonplace, debates are raging in Kentucky and state legislatures nationwide about how to prevent them.

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, a Republican and social conservative, has made it clear that he won't sign laws that restrict guns.

Bevin instead called on Americans to "wake up," recognize that school shootings are a "cultural problem,” and to look at the “root causes.”

"Our culture is crumbling from within," he said.

Bevin said the desensitization to death and killing is coming at an "extraordinary price."

"We can't celebrate death in video games, celebrate death in TV shows, celebrate death in movies, celebrate death in musical lyrics and remove any sense of morality and sense of higher authority and then expect that things like this are not going to happen," he said.




Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, seated, signs a prayer proclama
Just hours after the shooting, his Republican colleague, state Sen. Steve West, rushed to file a bill to put more guns in schools.

His legislation would let local districts hire armed marshals to patrol public schools, make citizen's arrests and protect people from "imminent death or serious physical injury."

Marshals wouldn't have to be police officers, but school district employees in good standing who have a license to carry concealed weapons.

West's bill is one of at least two in the state that would allow more guns into Kentucky's public schools and college campuses. They reflect a sentiment that has found bipartisan support.

"We need armed officers in every school in Kentucky. That is a small price to pay if it saves one child's life," state Sen. Ray Jones, a Democrat, said.

In the conservative state where politicians routinely pose in ads with guns, the National Rifle Association has an outsized influence in many state elections and the resulting gun policy debates in those legislatures.

Some Democrats, however, believe the push for more guns is misplaced.

Democratic Rep. Attica Scott from Louisville said she is "definitely an advocate for gun safety and to me more guns is not the answer to gun violence."

Scott has filed legislation that would ban those convicted of hate crimes from carrying a gun and let local governments pass laws requiring gun sellers to use "responsible business practices."

"We are sending prayers and thoughts to kids who are clinging to the last bit of faith they have in the system of government that is supposed to keep them safe."

Meanwhile, Democratic Rep. Jim Wayne of Louisville has filed a bill that would make it a crime for adults to "recklessly" store a gun without a trigger lock, a measure aimed at preventing children and teenagers from obtaining access to their parents' guns.


Film at 11... Pray
Speyside Offline
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Interesting article Drafter.
DrafterX Offline
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The Bevin guy makes sense.. I've had similar thoughts for years.. Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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But then the whole freedom of speech comes to play.. which I'm all for of course but I think we could keep some of it off prime-time TV at least.. Mellow
Ewok126 Offline
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I have always thought that a trigger lock should be required on any firearm if a child is present in the house. All of my handguns have coded trigger locks and only I know the codes. My wifes handgun also has a coded trigger lock and only she knows her code. So does all my rifles and shotguns.
Speyside Offline
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A lot of what Bevin says I have thought for years. Also the gun locks make total sense. I would think any responsible gun owner would not have a problem with that. Drafter, you are right about freedom of speech, but shouldn't there be common sense also?
DrafterX Offline
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You'd think.. I blame the Russians... Mellow
Speyside Offline
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Yeah, prolly them. It usually is.
Speyside Offline
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But maybe the North Koreans?
Speyside Offline
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Or the American Nazi party.
Speyside Offline
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Or the Communist Party USA.
DrafterX Offline
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I think the Russians figured out they could never destroy us back in the 60s unless our country imploded on itself.. divide and conquer.. so skull and crossbones get introduced onto kids toys and violence and gay-homoism becomes normal on prime time TV.. some people are outraged and some point people want more and take to da streets.. before we know it being a Christian or respecting our flag becomes something we have to defend when this is what our country was founded on... Makes me sick.. Not talking
Ewok126 Offline
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I have never had issues with coded locks. It does not take but a second to get the locks off if you know the code if it is needed in a hurry. 4 clicks and it drops to the floor and weapon is ready to discharge. I have heard the headstrong home defenders state well they prevent me from getting to my weapon if I need it fast. If it takes one that long then they shouldn't have a weapon. It keeps the idiot kids from being able to do the stupid chit.

Granted a parent can teach all day long but a child has their own personality. One can be the best parent in the world yet still have a moron for a child that does deadly idiotic things. Where the parent fail is keeping it out of the child's capability of getting and using said weapon. My son is 22 and he still does idiotic things from time to time because he's still a kid it's the nature of lack of life's lessons and how a child's brain naturally functions. I will not up and trust him to do the right thing enough to give free access to a deadly weapon. Nor am I willing to take the chance on having to live with the guilt if he should do the stupid thing and think for the rest of my life "If I only had a lock on the gun" It's just not worth the chance to me. It would be a very stupid gamble.

He knows how to use a weapon very well, He knows gun safety very well. He knows the law. I have seen to it that because I have taught him such at a very young age. That does not mean he will abide by it and use common sense and for me to trust in such would be asinine on my part. To hear a parent say "Oh my kid would never!"


I laughed my ass off the first time my wife and I met my sons GF. High school they was, my wife and I had the discussion of its time for the sex talk. My wife "Oh he would never at his age" Bwahahahahah. Yeah she found out later and I of course ended up in the dog house because I was laughing like hell and choked out a few "I told you so's along with "son can she suck a golf ball through a garden hose?" The wife cried when he said yes! Sad but true.
bgz Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
But then the whole freedom of speech comes to play.. which I'm all for of course but I think we could keep some of it off prime-time TV at least.. Mellow


Kids don't watch prime time tv, they watch Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.
bgz Offline
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Ewok, I keep mine in a combo safe. I bought the safe because it's really easy to pop the code in if you know it. It's got a simple design with a lot of permutations for very few buttons. It has 4 buttons (one for each finger), but you can program it to hold any number of them a piece of the combo.

Ewok126 Offline
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bgz, I have been looking at those, found a few that was fireproof and such. I have been wanting one just for the ability to control humidity and the weight to prevent the possible theft. The latter more than anything else.
Brewha Offline
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Of course here in ‘Merica, the bottle is open and the genie has escaped on the whole gun control thing.

Americans have bought into the idea that making fire arms readily available, excluding almost no one, that we are accually safer. Well we wanted the wild, Wild West, and now we have it. May god help us all.

As a side note, we two safes - one for the pistols and the other for ammo storage. But when I’m out of town the wife keep her 38 on the night stand.

Oh, and just order a 1911 - never had one. It looks full on cool.....
DrafterX Offline
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1912s are cooler... Mellow
bgz Offline
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Ewok126 wrote:
bgz, I have been looking at those, found a few that was fireproof and such. I have been wanting one just for the ability to control humidity and the weight to prevent the possible theft. The latter more than anything else.


You can mount them. There's pre-drilled holes in the bottom to o make it easy.
HuckFinn Offline
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Kawak wrote:
In other news...

100 people died today in car crashes. I'm calling for car ban

3 People died by knives. I'm calling for knife ban

2 People were murdered in Chicago yesterday...and today...and tomorrow...Please post those each day also. I'm calling for liberal politician ban

Seriously flawed reasoning!
Car crashes are ACCIDENTS!
Not to be confused with planning and executing mass shootings, right?


But to you point, I'll take that knife now sir, thank you. Thank you very much.
RMAN4443 Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Seriously flawed reasoning!
Car crashes are ACCIDENTS!
Not to be confused with planning and executing mass shootings, right?


But to you point, I'll take that knife now sir, thank you. Thank you very much.

not all car crashes are accidents, some are crimes........DUI kills over 10,000 per day in the US

https://health.usnews.com/health-care/articles/2018-01-17/reduce-legal-blood-alcohol-limit-to-cut-drunk-driving-deaths-report
frankj1 Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
not all car crashes are accidents, some are crimes........DUI kills over 10,000 per day in the US

https://health.usnews.com/health-care/articles/2018-01-17/reduce-legal-blood-alcohol-limit-to-cut-drunk-driving-deaths-report

and DUI is illegal
DrafterX Offline
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And so is using them as weapons.. which has happened several times in the past year.. Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
not all car crashes are accidents, some are crimes........DUI kills over 10,000 per day in the US

https://health.usnews.com/health-care/articles/2018-01-17/reduce-legal-blood-alcohol-limit-to-cut-drunk-driving-deaths-report

Still, no one plans on killing innocent people when driving drunk. It's criminal but it isn't intentional. Mass shootings are planned with the soul purpose of hurting and killing people.

You sure about that statistic? I'm seeing that around 100 total die daily from crashes in usa .
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
1912s are cooler... Mellow

Mellow


Your envy is palpable.....
Brewha Offline
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I am surprised that no one has floated the idea that if all high school students we required to be armed this would not have happened.

Of course we would have to issue “Trump Guns” to the poor kids......
Phil222 Offline
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I can only answer for my neck of the woods, but it seems that poor kids have no problems getting their hands on guns. I would argue that they're better armed than wealthy kids by a wide margin.
Brewha Offline
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So the poor kid’s high school are prolly already safe......

You know the GOP will love the idea of buying guns for the wealthy.
DrafterX Offline
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I never got my Obama-shotgun... Mad
banderl Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
not all car crashes are accidents, some are crimes........DUI kills over 10,000 per day in the US

https://health.usnews.com/health-care/articles/2018-01-17/reduce-legal-blood-alcohol-limit-to-cut-drunk-driving-deaths-report



10,000 per day?

That's a lot of killing by those drunk drivers.
frankj1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I never got my Obama-shotgun... Mad

a double shame. you coulda stole all the Obama cheese you could ever eat with that shotgun.
DrafterX Offline
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Ya.. damnit.. Sad
RMAN4443 Offline
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banderl wrote:
10,000 per day?

That's a lot of killing by those drunk drivers.


I guess........even one is to many if it's someone you care about.
I didn't write the statistic, I posted a link, google will work for you too.......
DrafterX Offline
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That seems awfully high... Think


Damn scary... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#43 Posted:
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Impaired Driving: Get the Facts. Every day, 28 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This is one death every 51 minutes. The annual cost of alcohol-related crashes totals more than $44 billion.Jun 16, 2017.


Not good either but better... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Cars are designed to kill. It’s their primary function.

By the way, ixnay on the 10/22 or the marlin model 60. Imma gonna get a Cz 455 full stock or 452 American
DrafterX Offline
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Damn... No gatlingun for X... Sad
teedubbya Offline
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Most of them jam pretty consistently anyway. .22 not reaLly good for that.


Hows this look?


https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/cz-455-fs-22-lr-bolt-action-rifle#repChildCatid=5023243
teedubbya Offline
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Or this. They don’t make these anymore

http://www.damascusgunshop.com/CZ-452-American-22-LR-p/02010.htm
DrafterX Offline
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They look nice.. it depends on what you want to do with it tho.. I love the 10-22 for plinking and stuff... But I'm fortunate to own a Winchester model 52 that belonged to my wife's Grandfather.. that one I take to do actual target shooting... The CZs look nice tho.. I'd love to shoot either one... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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honestly, I'm not bothered by it one iota, but youse guys are talking about this in a thread about dead school kids.

weird juxtaposition, whatever that means.

meanwhile, I don't understand one word but can't stop reading it.
teedubbya Offline
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The thing is I started with a $200 marlin and now am creeping up to $475. Maybe I should just go 800ish and get the cz full stock in 6.5 Swede
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