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So Trump allegedly wanted to fire Mueller last June.
Speyside Offline
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If true then Trump has been lying a whole lot.
DrafterX Offline
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More fake News... Mellow
dstieger Offline
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Speyside wrote:
So Trump allegedly wanted to fire Mueller last June



He might want to fire him now...so what? He didn't.....If we keep adjudicating every internal (and closed door) discussion and 'want', we're going to be stuck in dead end fn rabbit holes forever
Kawak Offline
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Just to make it easier for everyone, follow this simple rule. Vicky and Bender will agree

NYT + Anonymous sources + Janitor told me + I dreamed it = True

Trump Denies + others say never happened = Untrue
HuckFinn Offline
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*counting my carrots
delta1 Offline
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Would have been interesting if the White House counsel and AG followed Trump's order to fire Mueller...they refused and he backed down...and here we are...

Bannon said (never denied) about Trump's decision to fire Mueller at the time, in June 2017: "so what, I can't tell him what to do. If he does, it'll just make impeachment happen earlier..."

This was at a time Bannon still had a relationship with Trump as his adviser... so the alt-right opinion shaper, who knew a lot about the events in the campaign, transition and early days in office had an expectation that the Trump administration would end in impeachment?
Kawak Offline
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delta1 wrote:
Would have been interesting if the White House counsel and AG followed Trump's order to fire Mueller...they refused and he backed down...and here we are...

Bannon said (never denied) about Trump's decision to fire Mueller at the time, in June 2017: "so what, I can't tell him what to do. If he does, it'll just make impeachment happen earlier..."

This was at a time Bannon still had a relationship with Trump as his adviser... so the alt-right opinion shaper, who knew a lot about the events in the campaign, transition and early days in office had an expectation that the Trump administration would end in impeachment?


So it's just true and confirmed then Huh? Cool, my rules were correct.

Funny how when Bannon was picked by Trump and was talking him up he was an azz that is not to be listened to and taken serious by the left. Now that he seems to be bashing OUR President he is to be believed and quoted by the left....We'll...isn't that special...
frankj1 Offline
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wait. this about you?

HA!
HuckFinn Offline
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What I hate is that the thing called "the truth", whatever the fk that MIGHT be, doesn't seem to matter to anyone anymore. It's more about your side and my side chit.
We're still all red blooded Americans, right??
So IF it turned out that the Russians meddled in our election, and Trump and his people were complicit wouldn't you, as an American want to know? Actually demand it?

That to me anyway is the only thing that really matters in all this political intrigue and bs.
I don't care if or when he screwed this woman or that. I don't care if he wanted to fire Mueller then or now. His finances bug me but...okay..
...that he's narcissistic or lies a lot....again, okay, he's flawed. I get it....I could move on

We elected a president. Was it a fair election? Period.
delta1 Offline
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the reason this is important is because it adds weight to a potential obstruction of justice charge...something about bad or corrupt intent when taking lawful action to interfere with an official investigation ...

It is possible that Trump and his campaign did not conspire with the Russians during the presidential elections of 2016...or, there may not be substantial evidence if they did...

What Trump has done, in response to the "Russian thing" is bury himself with obstructive behavior. If, as he says. this is "fake news", then firing Comey, lying about "no contacts with Russians", telling the Russians that he relieved pressure about the Russian thing by firing Comey, talking positively about Putin and Russia, making up a nothing burger story about Jared and Jr and Paul meeting Russians in Trump Tower, ad nauseum... accomplished making himself look guilty of something...

If he had followed the usual playbook of an innocent person falsely accused...he would have said, "a full investigation will show I've done nothing wrong" then shut up until the investigation finished.

Instead, he's using Nixon's Watergate playbook ...
dstieger Offline
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delta1 wrote:
the reason this is important is because it adds weight to a potential obstruction of justice charge...something about bad or corrupt intent when taking lawful action to interfere with an official investigation ...

It is possible that Trump and his campaign did not conspire with the Russians during the presidential elections of 2016...or, there may not be substantial evidence if they did...

What Trump has done, in response to the "Russian thing" is bury himself with obstructive behavior. If, as he says. this is "fake news", then firing Comey, lying about "no contacts with Russians", telling the Russians that he relieved pressure about the Russian thing by firing Comey, talking positively about Putin and Russia, making up a nothing burger story about Jared and Jr and Paul meeting Russians in Trump Tower, ad nauseum... accomplished making himself look guilty of something...

If he had followed the usual playbook of an innocent person falsely accused...he would have said, "a full investigation will show I've done nothing wrong" then shut up until the investigation finished.

Instead, he's using Nixon's Watergate playbook ...



Watergate???? Even at its worst possible condition...Trump ordering that Mueller be fired....which I deem unlikely (though I have no doubt there could have been a conversation about the possibility, risk, fallout, etc.)....even worst interpretation doesn't seem to me to be any where near approaching a Watergate comparison.


And the 'usual playbook of an innocent person...' has no bearing on reacting to a probe like this, and you know it. A government prosecuting attorney has to focus on specific charges.....a probe like this has zero boundaries...and would make a Saint nervous
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This is quite the "investigation" based off of thin to none evidence. Yet we know someone else committed felonies and ignored court orders to preserve evidence and look at the doodoo we get to read. But we'll always get a reason to look somewhere else when people don't like their tribe being burned.
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I don't want the cop's investigation to be ongoing when I'm already sitting in the jury box.
Watching the news ever day about this or that new finding hurts all of us.
The right digs in and and desperately and erroneously defends Donald, while the left pursues what ends up appearing to be a straightforward vendetta.

I 'lean ' towards thinking Donald is guilty of many crimes but I'm ready to just WAIT.
Show me the money.
banderl Offline
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I can't wait to see the orange fat azz and Mike "I Know Nothing" Pence do their perp walk.
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If there’s *One Thing* we’ve learned this past year, is to stop immediately reacting to “initial news”. Time & Time & Time, again, when news breaks ... people go nuts, 2-4 days later it’s found out that the “initial news” was false.

Rothschilds > CIA/FBI > DNC > MSM
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It's funny how something with no proof has become such a outrage.
At lunch today one of the TV's at the bar (yeah. it's Friday) had on CNN.
Holy crap. Anyone who doubts that Trump Derangement Syndrome isn't a real affliction should watch just 10 minutes of that.
Forget koolaid. These pantywaists drink from a vat of snowflake stew.

They treat "sources say" as an absolute truth.
And they treat any denial as if it leaves a bad taste at the back of their throat.



But in regards to the story?
So what?

Let's say it's true. Trump "wanted" to fire Mueller.
Not a good move in my opinion. But so what?
He didn't.
But here we are reading reports from your main stream media that it's true and it's somehow important.
And you lemmings swallow it whole.



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dstieger wrote:
Watergate???? Even at its worst possible condition...Trump ordering that Mueller be fired....which I deem unlikely (though I have no doubt there could have been a conversation about the possibility, risk, fallout, etc.)....even worst interpretation doesn't seem to me to be any where near approaching a Watergate comparison.


And the 'usual playbook of an innocent person...' has no bearing on reacting to a probe like this, and you know it. A government prosecuting attorney has to focus on specific charges.....a probe like this has zero boundaries...and would make a Saint nervous


The opening up of boundaries happened AFTER he fired Comey... if Comey was still in the job, the focus would've stayed on Flynn and the campaign stuff, pretty easy to contain...


But he couldn't stand to keep his mouth shut and sit back, knowing what he knew about Flynn (and maybe some dirt w the Russians?), so he fired Comey...if he hadn't done that, there'd be no special counsel, no widening scope...


... just like the acceleration that happened after Nixon thought he could stop stuff by sacking Cox...
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Speyside wrote:
If true then Trump has been lying a whole lot.

No! .......could it be????

LOL




Hey - Mexico will pay for the wall!
LOL
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
More fake News... Mellow

Ah, but it is fair and balanced....
HuckFinn Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Ah, but it is fair and balanced....

Had a girlfriend once, in college who was fair and balanced.
Enormous...eyes.
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Like someone said, this was all over the news... No doubt Trump had to address it.. conversations surely happened but that doesn't mean he wanted to do it.. more speculation at best... Mellow
Speyside Offline
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The interesting thing to me is that Mueller has revealed nothing during the investigation. Which is appropriate. There right strongly believes President Trump has done nothing criminal. The left believes President Trump has committed numerous felony. I think innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land for good reason. I also think it is premature to state he has done nothing wrong. The process in its entirety will determine that. I do find the news reporting cycle of today fascinating in that it is so adgendaized by either side.
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Except for fox news.. they're fair and balanced... Mellow
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banderl wrote:
I can't wait to see the orange fat azz and Mike "I Know Nothing" Pence do their perp walk.




Says the guy living in one of THE most corrupt sh*tholes in the US....lmao @ you goober
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Interestingly, when the "news" broke, Sean Hannity of Fox News was adamant that Trump never directed WH counsel McGahn to fire Mueller (which McGahn "allegedly"refused to do and even threatened to resign over if forced to)
Next day Hannity had to seriously backtrack saying HIS sources had confirmed the story.

What I'm hearing now is if Mueller interviews Trump and asks the question about his firing IF he denies it it's perjury. And if he admits it, it's obstruction.

Brewha Offline
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HuckFinn wrote:
Had a girlfriend once, in college who was fair and balanced.
Enormous...eyes.

Was her name Dixie?
HuckFinn Offline
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Barbara
banderl Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
Says the guy living in one of THE most corrupt sh*tholes in the US....lmao @ you goober



Goober?
I don't believe that I'm part of your one branch family tree, my ignorant hillbilly friend.
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Cmon, there are clear similarities between the alleged fire Mueller order and Cox's firing during Watergate. Nixon told Elliot Richardson and William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. Both refused.
( General Robert Bork ended up pulling the trigger.) Why refuse an executive request/order?
Are Trump supporters/apologists really saying 'so what. If Donald said it, who cares '?
McGahn knew, from history that it was wrong, stupid and legally dangerous .

Was Donald actually right when he said he could shoot somebody and still not lose any support? Starting to believe him.

For anyone still maintaining that it's all still hearsay, would it matter if he is guilty of the order?

Maybe, sometimes, there are witches at the end of witch hunts
DrafterX Offline
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Clintons have been getting away with it for years... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Clintons have been getting away with it for years... Mellow

Huh?
If you don't see a pattern of Trump trying to derail any investigations (aren't you at all curious as to WHY? ) then you just don't want to. It's delusional to deflect this. But not atypical.

Don't know if you know this but, it was really Crooked Hillary, not Eve who tempted Adam with the apple in the Garden of Eden.
Red delicious. Commie apple. Lock her Up! Lock her up!
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HuckFinn wrote:
Huh?
If you don't see a pattern of Trump trying to derail any investigations (aren't you at all curious as to WHY? ) then you just don't want to. It's delusional to deflect this. But not atypical.

Don't know if you know this but, it was really Crooked Hillary, not Eve who tempted Adam with the apple in the Garden of Eden.
Red delicious. Commie apple. Lock her Up! Lock her up!


I heard it was yellow cake uraniumAnxious
HuckFinn Offline
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Privately Donald has to be very grateful for Hillary.

Brewha Offline
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Trump has said that “The Clinton’s are good people” and “they have done nothing wrong”.

This would mean more if he was not such a liar.....
DrafterX Offline
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Ya, he was just kiddin when he said that... Actually he was prolly trying to call a truce but she couldn't keep her mouth shut and started The Resistance... Mellow
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I heard hillary sold all our yellow cakes to Iraq and stuff.
DrafterX Offline
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I could sure use a piece of yellow cake about now... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Saddam took them all then hid them. Many in here have friends and family that have seen them.
delta1 Offline
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my mom used to make an amazing yellow cake, no vanilla or other flavoring extracts...friend of mine in third grade used to trade me his tuna sammich and a bag of chips for my piece of yellow cake...RIP Mom...she joined the Big Resistance a few years ago...
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sorry 'bout Mom, Al, but you won that trade bigly.

did ya put chips in da sammy?
delta1 Offline
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no...I liked to eat them one at a time and lick the salt off my fingers...and his mom made the best tuna sammiches ever, but Robin (friend's name) grew to hate them...
frankj1 Offline
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yeah, the mercury prolly tainted his brain pan
DrafterX Offline
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I like avocado on my tuna sammiches.... Mellow
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Brewha wrote:
Trump has said that “The Clinton’s are good people” and “they have done nothing wrong”.

This would mean more if he was not such a liar.....



They cashed his checks and did what he asked and Hillary was a member of the parliament of whores before/after? starting the family criminal foundation.
delta1 Offline
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I'll see your "butt Hillary" and raise you a "butt Trump"


Trump's Foundation is in even worse condition...

http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-charity-foundation-shutting-down-2017-11
Kawak Offline
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Liberal derangment syndrome. Write about things that didn't happen...

I was gonna take a chit today but didn't. News at 11!

However, after reading this thread things are moving south
delta1 Offline
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Even Hannity grudgingly admitted the story was true...I'm speculating that those who were present, or were ordered to take action but refused, mentioned the incident during their Mueller interviews, to avoid possible conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice and/or perjury charges...

I'm also guessing that they, or their staff, are among the four sources...nervous nellies in the WH as the Mueller investigations reach the top...

"Ordering the firing" is much closer to evidence of obstruction than mere "thinking out loud about it"...
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If it had happened... Mueller is still employed.. Mellow
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orders refused?
Brewha Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
They cashed his checks and did what he asked and Hillary was a member of the parliament of whores before/after? starting the family criminal foundation.

Don’s checks never cash.

Can you say “rubber biscuit”?
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