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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Feb 1 2018, 11:27 PM EST
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The Vietnam war memorial.
Kawak Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Feb 1 2018, 11:35 PM EST
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Not the only one but very important. Kudos and god bless our hero's
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Feb 1 2018, 11:39 PM EST
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There's more than one memorial wall btw.. cheap shot... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Feb 1 2018, 11:51 PM EST
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No cheap shot intended. I googled memorial walls and you are right. I did not know this. All memorial walls are important. My point was we are at odds about the border wall. Is it so important that it get built or not, maybe. The building of a memorial wall is much more important. When I first saw the Vietnam War Memorial wall it humbled me in a profound way. What is important is those people made the ultimate sacrifice so you and I can live free. If we lived in many other countries we might be killed for our beliefs. Sometimes I forget we are all Americans. Kawak is an American first, somewhere down the line his philosophical views/ political viewpoints come into play. Me too, same for you. Victor, well who knows? And so it goes.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Feb 1 2018, 11:56 PM EST
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The Border Wall will protect us from illegal invasion... Nobody is anti-immigration... Although that is what you and other liberal Extremists are pushing... Why do you really want an open border when other immigrants follow the rules to become American citizens..?? Huh
Speyside Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 12:05 AM EST
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Why don't you want a border wall with Canada? Crazy question. Yes I know. I think a border wall with Mexico is just as crazy. Not an attempt at being an extreme liberal, just what I think. I think illegals will find other ways to get here. They do from many countries that are across an ocean. So why wouldn't they from down south?
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 12:08 AM EST
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No doubt there are other ways... But the overwhelming access currently is our southern border.. to deny that is denial.. Mellow
Speyside Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 12:14 AM EST
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We will have to agree to disagree. I would say if the mountain won't go to Mohamed, but then you would think I am a Muslim sympathise.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 12:17 AM EST
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No, you know I'm right and can't think of a believable retort... It's ok... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 10:03 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Why don't you want a border wall with Canada? Crazy question. Yes I know. I think a border wall with Mexico is just as crazy. Not an attempt at being an extreme liberal, just what I think. I think illegals will find other ways to get here. They do from many countries that are across an ocean. So why wouldn't they from down south?


Using that logic we should pull all border patrol.
I mean, they'll just get in here anyway.


I'm not a wall proponent. But I'm not completely against it either. If it's built, it would make it MUCH more difficult to get here illegally from the side of our border that is most frequently abused.

I'd rather see a "virtual wall" put in place that strictly forbids hiring illegals and cuts all funding to states or municipalities that support them.
And I mean ALL funding.

But this will never happen because of the human factor.

Which brings us back to an actual wall, and the strong argument in favor of it.
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 10:36 AM EST
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Just think about the jobs it will create... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 1:54 PM EST
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If you read my posts you will see I am a proponent of border control. I do not see the wall as an effective deterrent. I totally agree with your virtual wall. Eliminate the incentives for being here illegally. Drafter you do have a valid point on job creation. Though I would rather see job creation through badly needed infrastructure rebuilding.
Buckwheat Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 1:59 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
If you read my posts you will see I am a proponent of border control. I do not see the wall as an effective deterrent. I totally agree with your virtual wall. Eliminate the incentives for being here illegally. Drafter you do have a valid point on job creation. Though I would rather see job creation through badly needed infrastructure rebuilding.


I agree but how are we going to pay for the infrastructure rebuilding? I doubt that a bill funding this work would make it through congress.

I think the most important wall is the one between the church and the state. fog
Speyside Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 2:01 PM EST
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I think you are right. Where would the money come from? The line between church and state has been blurred as of late.
delta1 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 2:17 PM EST
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High tech wall would be cheaper and more effective...cameras, vibration and motion sensors, aerial surveillance, including monitored drones, more border agents patrolling the accessible areas combined with a greater degree of technological detection in the more difficult terrain...that's another virtual wall that would be cheaper and more effective than a physical wall...
TMCTLT Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 2:36 PM EST
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Build that BIG Beautiful WALL....get r done.




Drafter,
@ least Allen finally " came out ".....apparently it took moving to Chicago to complete the transition. Whistle
Speyside Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 2:57 PM EST
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More like coming to my senses Paul. I am tired of the conservative dog pile here. People that attack my comments or make sweeping attacks on liberals will be repaid in kind. I think Victor is right in that regard, I have tried nice and it didn't work, why tolerate fools?
TMCTLT Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 3:38 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
More like coming to my senses Paul. I am tired of the conservative dog pile here. People that attack my comments or make sweeping attacks on liberals will be repaid in kind. I think Victor is right in that regard, I have tried nice and it didn't work, why tolerate fools?




Alrighty then.....d'oh!


LMAO @ your conservative dog pile comment however....between yourself Vicki and Bandi it's one cry baby post after another ever since Trump was elected.
banderl Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 3:57 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Alrighty then.....d'oh!


LMAO @ your conservative dog pile comment however....between yourself Vicki and Bandi it's one cry baby post after another ever since Trump was elected.



We're following your leader, the biggest orange crybaby in the history of the world.
TMCTLT Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 7:20 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
We're following your leader, the biggest orange crybaby in the history of the world.



Yet so much better than the Black Apologist from Chitcago!!!!! Beer
banderl Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 7:27 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Yet so much better than the Black Apologist from Chitcago!!!!! Beer




The media's picking on me.

Waah Waah

The Dems are picking on me.

Waah Waah

My Justice Department is picking on me.

Waah Waah

My FBI is picking on me.

Waah Waah


Loser! I hope that the wash rack jobs are opening up in your neck of the woods.
Speyside Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 7:41 PM EST
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Expect more. The truth will out. How is it different than the constant complaints about Obama? Oh wait, these have been about real events. Oh, yeah that birther thing was so true. And that Hillary must be guilty of something from Benghzi. After all she's in jail cuz Trump locked her up. Wait for it............... Being a cry baby is telling the truth that is not an alternative fact thought up by a 38 precenter.
banderl Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Feb 2 2018, 8:09 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Expect more. The truth will out. How is it different than the constant complaints about Obama? Oh wait, these have been about real events. Oh, yeah that birther thing was so true. And that Hillary must be guilty of something from Benghzi. After all she's in jail cuz Trump locked her up. Wait for it............... Being a cry baby is telling the truth that is not an alternative fact thought up by a 38 precenter.



I can't wait to see the perp walk with the orange imbecile and Mike "I know nothing" Pence.
From 1600 Pennsylvania to Leavenworth.
TMCTLT Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 9:06 AM EST
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Get a room you two.


Obama your savior.....sucked ballz. History will call this out, what a LOUSY choice for our 1st !/2 White President
Speyside Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 9:31 AM EST
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1/2 white president. Your view of the world is myopic to say the least. I do not see why you would mention 1/2 anything when considering his presidency. It certainly is a valid point that you consider him a poor president. I guess 38 precenters like you think that 1/2 is important. He was a president, white, black, or multiracial is unimportant. Every president acts in ways many Americans dislike. Now back to Don the Con. I bet you think releasing the memo was a great idea. Do you think he should fire the deputy director of the justice department? Wasn't that a fine letter he crafted about Don juniors meeting with the Russians. Do you the he and Mueller are besties?
TMCTLT Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 9:50 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
1/2 white president. Your view of the world is myopic to say the least. I do not see why you would mention 1/2 anything when considering his presidency. It certainly is a valid point that you consider him a poor president. I guess 38 precenters like you think that 1/2 is important. He was a president, white, black, or multiracial is unimportant. Every president acts in ways many Americans dislike. Now back to Don the Con. I bet you think releasing the memo was a great idea. Do you think he should fire the deputy director of the justice department? Wasn't that a fine letter he crafted about Don juniors meeting with the Russians. Do you the he and Mueller are besties?




HA....yeah we'll go with that. That's ALL we friggen heard was his skin color and it was always Black ( while totally ignoring his white Mother ) AND the opportunity he himself as a mixed race president to HEAL racial wounds that still exist for some. Instead he used it to divide a nation that was already on it's way to mending itself. He and Mooch were /are racists.....they stirred the pot, live with it

Your whiney is showing
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 9:53 AM EST
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Power corrupts... Obama is the perfect example of this... The media kissed his ass and worshipped him so he went unchecked... he made some bad decisions that are coming out now in his last couple years... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 10:05 AM EST
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You forgot to mention Hillary. LOL! Drafter I think he was a poor president. I think Trump is worse for various reasons. Hillary should just go away.
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 10:11 AM EST
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Hillary will be his downfall... Do you believe he knew nothing about Hillary's 'fixed' election run... If she had won, she lost, we wouldn't know anything about her corruption.. it woulda all been swept under da rug.. and when she got away with it what would she have done next..?? Think
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#30 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 10:15 AM EST
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No, I don't. I think Bernie would have won the Democratic primary if not for dirty deeds. I don't like his politics, but I do respect Bernie.
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 10:18 AM EST
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Talk about a cluster... Free college for everybody..?? You guys are worried about funding a wall... How the hell would we have funded free higher education..?? Huh
Speyside Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 10:27 AM EST
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Um, I clearly said I do not like his politics. It would have been a socialist/communist disaster. What I did say is I respect the man. Same thing with W. Same thing with Jimmy Carter. I thought Obama was a poor president and I do not respect him. I thought Clinton was a good president, but I have no respect for him. Reagan was a great president and I respect him greatly.
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#33 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 10:41 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Why don't you want a border wall with Canada? Crazy question. Yes I know. I think a border wall with Mexico is just as crazy. Not an attempt at being an extreme liberal, just what I think. I think illegals will find other ways to get here. They do from many countries that are across an ocean. So why wouldn't they from down south?


That's like saying "my car's gonna break down anyway... screw the maintenance!" smdh
Abrignac Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 1:59 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Why don't you want a border wall with Canada? Crazy question. Yes I know. I think a border wall with Mexico is just as crazy. Not an attempt at being an extreme liberal, just what I think. I think illegals will find other ways to get here. They do from many countries that are across an ocean. So why wouldn't they from down south?


FWIW, the Canadians are much more border security minded than the US. Their protocols for entry are much more stringent than ours. Though more relaxed for US citizens than for other foreign nationals.
Speyside Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 2:04 PM EST
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Ab, thank you for reinforcing my point. The Canadian stake border security more serious than we do. Yet they find no need for a wall.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 2:14 PM EST
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Lockdown the borders. Increase legal immigration. Enforce the laws.
Abrignac Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 2:17 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Ab, thank you for reinforcing my point. The Canadian stake border security more serious than we do. Yet they find no need for a wall.



Actually, I think you missed my point. Our border with Canada is much more secure than our southern border because both partners are vigilant muting the need for a wall. Our southern border it’s much harder to secure since our southern partner is much less diligent. Another to keep in mind is that the vast number of illegals are from Central America. It’s a very long swim to Canada through dangerous waters before the walk south.


You’re making an apples to apples comparison to a much different scenario.
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#38 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 2:25 PM EST
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Abrig I went back-and-forth in to Canada last November without anybody ever checking who I am and what I was doing. There long stretches of border with no natural or unnatural boundaries, Walls, or people.

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#39 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 2:30 PM EST
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So you missed my humor, so dissapointing. My feeling is the money would be better spent by utilizing more technology and having a significantly larger border patrol. The real answer I think is to make the penalty for hiring an illegal alien so severe that no one will. Remove the incentive to get here. Also I would be interested in penalizing Mexico for not securing the border. I am unsure how to do this.
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#40 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 2:36 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
1/2 white president. Your view of the world is myopic to say the least. I do not see why you would mention 1/2 anything when considering his presidency.



You're right. He went full retard! NEVER go full retard! He sure as hell didn't go half anything there!

Ramming legislation through some backdoor parliamentary procedure only to have the Supreme Court rule it legal as a tax EVERYONE must pay...bailouts....buyouts...broken promises to his base (see Guantanamo!)...mom jean helmet wearing girls bike riding stooge.

Just what exactly did he do so damned great? Bow? Give away trillions of dollars? Put military "advisors" in each and every country in Africa while most weren't looking? Kill OBL (snicker)? Run guns and weapons that killed Americans? Punish the bankers and traders that created a financial mess for our nation? Now, the nation is waking up that he weaponized the NSA, FBI and the FISC to spy on a private citizen that happened to run for political office (which he personally said him winning was NEVER gonna happen!!!) and then sign an executive order making sure almost any agency can share that information knowing full well that they were going to a complicit media that is STILL butthurt that she didn't win. He was an abject failure without his teleprompter. He was a big zero who's word meant ZILCH! His smarmy "I'm the smartest man in the room" gag only fooled those who didn't know who and what he was.

Yeah, history will not be kind to that ****. He didn't do a damned thing for America except try to break it's back and sell it out.
Speyside Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 2:42 PM EST
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If you would actually read my posts instead of your BS blustering you would find I state that Obama was a poor president and I have no respect for him. Reading, what a concept. Or is reading comprehension beyond your capabilities?
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#42 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 2:50 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
If you would actually read my posts instead of your BS blustering you would find I state that Obama was a poor president and I have no respect for him. Reading, what a concept. Or is reading comprehension beyond your capabilities?



Personalize much?


This coming from a person that didn't read a link NOR care to see how it applied.

LOOK IN A FREAKING MIRROR LOON!
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#43 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 7:06 PM EST
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Loon... Laugh
Speyside Offline
#44 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 7:29 PM EST
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I tend not to read what you post. It is trivial right wing drivel. You seldom make sense. For instance what does the DNC being broke have to do with the wall? Nothing, but you need to pontificate about it anyhow. Meh, you bore me and others.
DrafterX Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 7:35 PM EST
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It was interesting tho... Mellow
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#46 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 8:35 PM EST
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here's a wall that's worth 3 minutes...The Smithereens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNZbP3ZVem4
tailgater Offline
#47 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 8:57 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
No, I don't. I think Bernie would have won the Democratic primary if not for dirty deeds. .


So you blame AC/DC?
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#48 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 9:26 PM EST
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meet me at the Wailing Wall
DrafterX Offline
#49 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 9:27 PM EST
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That's a sad wall... Sad
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#50 Posted: Sat, Feb 3 2018, 9:29 PM EST
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