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paulkeck Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 11:43 AM EST
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https://steemit.com/anarchy/@thepholosopher/3-common-gun-control-myths-debunked
victor809 Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 1:46 PM EST
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Goddamn noobs posting in the wrong forums...

And perhaps it would be smarter to choose to link to someone more intelligent?

Their statistics are really really bad. I mean, a 4th grader could rip through their little austrailia "debunking".... they cherry-pick the best stats they can get from other states in the USA (note they just "counts the population in America’s most pro-gun states up to Australian population count"... and then compares the homicide rate per 100,000.... the entire point of comparing a rate (per 100,000) is to allow one to compare homicides of two groups with different population sizes. The only reason I can see for them to add in states until they get the australia's population is likely to be able to add in states with lower homicide rates to their stats. It stinks of cherry picking data. They could have just chosen one state and done the same comparison. But, even with their cherry picked data, they get a difference of 1.6 to 1. And they then call that "negligible". 60% more is wayyy the hell away from negligible. The actual difference is 240 to 384...

Her #2 point is similarly ridiculous. "other things can kill people... so there's no reason to ban these things that can kill people".
Pretty much every human being on the planet can kill a person. So we probably shouldn't bother jailing murderers... why bother? The dude next to you could kill you too... so there really isn't any value in getting other murderers off the street....

Her #1 point is the only one I agree with. She states "As the right to bear arms must be maintained with the ability to resist government, military grade weapons cannot be peremptorily kept out of the hands of individuals as it is violative of their fundamental rights."... I really do look forward to the day that everyone's neighbor has access to military grade weaponry, hardware, biological and nuclear included. That will truly be an exciting time to live in. She does a very interesting job of coming to that conclusion however. The same rationale she uses is what many here have accused the left of using "activist judges" regarding abortion. But I have no problem with her rationale.
paulkeck Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 1:55 PM EST
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Well...first of all I'm not a noob and second of all that's all the libs do on a daily basis.... cherry pic as for the second point, she's making a pretty good one, you want to ban stuff....ban the most common weapons used to kill again...don't just cherry pick one and for your last one, yeah we won't be able to get all military weapons but since we can't hell let's just go back to muskets so there is absolutely no way to fight back..
victor809 Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:29 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
Well...first of all I'm not a noob and second of all that's all the libs do on a daily basis.... cherry pic as for the second point, she's making a pretty good one, you want to ban stuff....ban the most common weapons used to kill again...don't just cherry pick one and for your last one, yeah we won't be able to get all military weapons but since we can't hell let's just go back to muskets so there is absolutely no way to fight back..



Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it....?

You may say you're not a noob. But you posted your thread in the wrong forum... therefore you are a noob.

You have no problem with her using bad statistics and cherry picked data because you believe "libs do it on a daily basis"... yeah. Smart move... lower your arguments to the lowest intellectual level you believe your opponents are using.... sh%t like that makes me convinced we will never get better as a society.

I'm pretty sure banning the most common weapons to kill people is just stupid. I'm going to guess there is a second reason the law wants to ban weapons such as assault rifles... when someone kills a person with a knife, it's pretty damn easy for the police, using hand guns, to arrest that person. When someone kills a person with an assault rifle, it becomes more risky for police to apprehend the suspect. But that's not really my problem. I don't want to ban anything.. I just am pointing out her dumb argument.

Who says we won't be able to get all military weapons? She said, and I quote: "As the right to bear arms must be maintained with the ability to resist government, military grade weapons cannot be peremptorily kept out of the hands of individuals as it is violative of their fundamental rights.". I literally support that 100%. I don't care if your neighbor wants an assault rifle, or a canister of weaponized smallpox... I have no problem with them owning it. Do you? If you want a musket too, that's fine, I don't really care. But the instant you tell your neighbor they can't have a nuke you've started restricting the 2nd amendment.
paulkeck Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:32 PM EST
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Actually I posted it in the general discussion so how was that wrong and as usual we get an internet tough guy. Funny how a post gets your panties in such a bunch you have to sling insults. But hey...you do you bud
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:37 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
Actually I posted it in the general discussion so how was that wrong and as usual we get an internet tough guy. Funny how a post gets your panties in such a bunch you have to sling insults. But hey...you do you bud


Internet tough guy? Where have I done any threatening? If you think that's threatening maybe you're a bit of a snowflake....

Slinging insults? I thought you weren't a noob? I just pointed out your lack of reading comprehension. If you think that's insulting, get better at reading and understanding what you read.

Then after whining that you're being insulted by an "internet toughguy" (god that's funny)... you say I'm wearing panties, and that they're bunched. So you're upset because you were insuted by someone you believe wears panties?.... dude... you really are a snowflake. First rule in cbid noob, wear a thick coat.

Second rule in cbid, noob... political discussion goes in the Politics tab.
paulkeck Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:37 PM EST
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Oh and my reading comprehension is fine, its my writing skills that are lacking
paulkeck Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:40 PM EST
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It's not a political discussion to me, it's a general discussion, and call me a noob till you're blue in the face bud....doesn't bother me, and neither does your opinions, you start it I will participate as simple as that. And don't get mad at me because you wear panties, Snowflake.....now that's funny coming from a libtard.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:44 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
It's not a political discussion to me, it's a general discussion, and call me a noob till you're blue in the face bud....doesn't bother me, and neither does your opinions, you start it I will participate as simple as that. And don't get mad at me because you wear panties, Snowflake.....now that's funny coming from a libtard.


Heh.... why would you assume I'm a "libtard"? Is it because I dislike poor logical arguments? Does that imply that anyone who isn't a "libtard" agrees with poorly constructed arguments?

And reread my statement.. I didn't get mad at all that you think I wear panties. Don't really care... it amuses me that you are doing a really poor job of making any sort of sense in an argument with someone you apparently believe is a crossdresser or a woman.
teedubbya Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:45 PM EST
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Reading this no I don’t see any politics at all lol.
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:47 PM EST
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Oh, and you're clearly a liar.
If you truly thought "It's not a political discussion to me, "
Then you wouldn't resort to a statement like "libtard" when arguing with me.

Now thatt we've established you'll openly lie in your discussions, and that you have no problem with cherry picked statistics because you believe the "other side" is doing it too...

Should anyone trust anything you say?
paulkeck Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:47 PM EST
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Well I never assumed you were a woman, and as far as cross dresser... that's your business. As far as arguing, it's funny to me that you state I am poor at it yet....here you are still talking.
paulkeck Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 2:51 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Oh, and you're clearly a liar.
If you truly thought "It's not a political discussion to me, "
Then you wouldn't resort to a statement like "libtard" when arguing with me.

Now thatt we've established you'll openly lie in your discussions, and that you have no problem with cherry picked statistics because you believe the "other side" is doing it too...

Should anyone trust anything you say?


You brought the politics in with the term snowflake....which is used in political discussions, so what your telling me is this couldn't be a general discussion about guns...maybe that's the problem. Everyone wants to bring politics in everything. I'm not a political person hence the general discussion. As far as trust you trust what you want and I will do the Same. The people that know me trust me so I could care less if you do or not
bgz Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 3:12 PM EST
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I love watching a lopsided argument!

:D
paulkeck Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 3:15 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I love watching a lopsided argument!

:D

I've never been good at arguing...now insults...sh1t talking yes....arguing not so much.
victor809 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 3:39 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I love watching a lopsided argument!

:D


I'm still trying to figure out how I'm an "internet tough guy" who wears panties....

sigh.... noobs these days. So sensitive...
bgz Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 3:46 PM EST
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Damn them pantie wearing internet tough guys... people always want to meet them in a parking lot... didn't know there were that many perverts wanting to see that sh17.
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 3:56 PM EST
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we did used to have a real "internet tough guy" here for a short time... jimmy... he would always invite other posters to fly to his place for a "5 minute herf" or something like that.

Makes me laugh that this crop of snowflakes thinks disagreeing with sh$t-poor logical arguments is the equivalent to being an "internet tough guy"...

They must be millennials.
paulkeck Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 3:59 PM EST
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Hahaha there we go with the snowflake again...I mean if you old farts wouldn't fly off the handle every time you disagree with sh1t you might not get labeled. But hey...again...You do you... go smoke you a good cigar while watching the golden girls marathon pondering how well it was back in your day.
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:03 PM EST
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Perhaps you should point out where anyone has "flown off the handle"?
This old fart is just laughing at you. You're willing to lie, to accept statistics you know are bad, simply because they support your stance, and call someone an "internet tough guy" for pointing out your use of a terrible, poorly written and poorly thought out article to reference for a link titled "someone who gets it"...

Maybe if your idea of "someone who gets it" were a smarter person, you wouldn't get mocked?
paulkeck Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:04 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Damn them pantie wearing internet tough guys... people always want to meet them in a parking lot... didn't know there were that many perverts wanting to see that sh17.


Uh...must be speaking of experience because I never asked to meet anyone in the parking lot. Plus plane tickets are way to expensive these days
paulkeck Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:06 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Perhaps you should point out where anyone has "flown off the handle"?
This old fart is just laughing at you. You're willing to lie, to accept statistics you know are bad, simply because they support your stance, and call someone an "internet tough guy" for pointing out your use of a terrible, poorly written and poorly thought out article to reference for a link titled "someone who gets it"...

Maybe if your idea of "someone who gets it" were a smarter person, you wouldn't get mocked?

Oh... you're mocking Me? Didn't notice....or care and your opinion is it was poorly written. Not everyone's opinion....just yours.
Phil222 Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:07 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
we did used to have a real "internet tough guy" here for a short time... jimmy... he would always invite other posters to fly to his place for a "5 minute herf" or something like that.


Hahahaha! Now that is funny...
paulkeck Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:09 PM EST
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As far as the internet tough guy part, your second post, hell your first post was straight pissy, you could have easily disagreed and stated it was in the wrong forum with out acting like an a$$ but you chose to start an argument for the sake of doing it. Hence internet tough guy.
MACS Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:17 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
As far as the internet tough guy part, your second post, hell your first post was straight pissy, you could have easily disagreed and stated it was in the wrong forum with out acting like an a$$ but you chose to start an argument for the sake of doing it. Hence internet tough guy.


It's Victor. If you don't know Victor, I'm afraid I'll have to agree... you're a noob.
HuckFinn Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:17 PM EST
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STOP!


I just ran out of popcorn!
HuckFinn Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:20 PM EST
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Mmmm mmmm mm

M&Ms

Carry on....
danmdevries Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:21 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
It's Victor. If you don't know Victor, I'm afraid I'll have to agree... you're a noob.
bgz Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:22 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
Uh...must be speaking of experience because I never asked to meet anyone in the parking lot. Plus plane tickets are way to expensive these days


I was just speaking generally, not necessarily about you. From my experience, most people who use the internet tough guy line are pretty insecure about their masculinity and even more insecure about their twisted sexual fetishes... so if that's not you, then my bad, but the probabilities are not in your favor.
paulkeck Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:26 PM EST
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Oh I'm not insecure but damn do I have some twisted sexual fetishes!!! I will PM them to you. Maybe we can start a dialogue
ShanaC@CigarBid Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:27 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
STOP!


I just ran out of popcorn!


There is a smiley for that lol!

Popcorn

Not that I'm condoning the behavior lol....
paulkeck Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:27 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
It's Victor. If you don't know Victor, I'm afraid I'll have to agree... you're a noob.

I haven't been on here in years... don't remember the guy only the ones I used to talk to regularly
victor809 Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:28 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
Oh I'm not insecure but damn do I have some twisted sexual fetishes!!! I will PM them to you. Maybe we can start a dialogue


well this took a tack I was not expecting....
bgz Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:52 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
Oh I'm not insecure but damn do I have some twisted sexual fetishes!!! I will PM them to you. Maybe we can start a dialogue


Oooo, I don't do PMs but here's my contact info:

[email protected]

214-914-3337


P.S. stix doesn't stand for cigars ;-)
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#35 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:54 PM EST
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I tried calling but you wouldn't pick up....maybe I can get the peanut butter out and we can Skype?
HuckFinn Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:54 PM EST
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Looks like the right forum now
victor809 Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:54 PM EST
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EMS
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#38 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:57 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it....?

You may say you're not a noob. But you posted your thread in the wrong forum... therefore you are a noob.

You have no problem with her using bad statistics and cherry picked data because you believe "libs do it on a daily basis"... yeah. Smart move... lower your arguments to the lowest intellectual level you believe your opponents are using.... sh%t like that makes me convinced we will never get better as a society.

I'm pretty sure banning the most common weapons to kill people is just stupid. I'm going to guess there is a second reason the law wants to ban weapons such as assault rifles... when someone kills a person with a knife, it's pretty damn easy for the police, using hand guns, to arrest that person. When someone kills a person with an assault rifle, it becomes more risky for police to apprehend the suspect. But that's not really my problem. I don't want to ban anything.. I just am pointing out her dumb argument.

Who says we won't be able to get all military weapons? She said, and I quote: "As the right to bear arms must be maintained with the ability to resist government, military grade weapons cannot be peremptorily kept out of the hands of individuals as it is violative of their fundamental rights.". I literally support that 100%. I don't care if your neighbor wants an assault rifle, or a canister of weaponized smallpox... I have no problem with them owning it. Do you? If you want a musket too, that's fine, I don't really care. But the instant you tell your neighbor they can't have a nuke you've started restricting the 2nd amendment.


I don't, at all. If the psychopaths that run this world can have them I dont see why my neighbor Scotty couldnt get a few if that's what makes him happy. He's just a country boy... I trust him more than a "world leader."

I have always been pro Gatling Gun and Pro Rocket Launcher as well, as those items are more within my budget.

I have read a ton of your posts and, although we dont always agree, we have found common ground on the pro-nuculear issue.
bgz Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 4:57 PM EST
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paulkeck wrote:
I tried calling but you wouldn't pick up....maybe I can get the peanut butter out and we can Skype?


My bad, can't answer now. But you can send a sexy d1ck pic with your peanut butter to that email with your skype info.
victor809 Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:02 PM EST
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RobertHively wrote:
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I don't, at all. If the psychopaths that run this world can have them I dont see why my neighbor Scotty couldnt get a few if that's what makes him happy. He's just a country boy... I trust him more than a "world leader."

I have always been pro Gatling Gun and Pro Rocket Launcher as well, as those items are more within my budget.

I have read a ton of your posts and, although we dont always agree, we have found common ground on the pro-nuculear issue.


see... everyone can agree on something.

I bet you're also a fan of wearing twisted panties too....
victor809 Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:03 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
My bad, can't answer now. But you can send a sexy d1ck pic with your peanut butter to that email with your skype info.


And another EMS....
paulkeck Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:03 PM EST
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See were already starting a great relationship...You really think it will be sexy?? Man this is gonna be great!! Bow do you feel about spanking? You...me...both??
Speyside Offline
#43 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:03 PM EST
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LOL, now that's entertainment! Victor, you're in a one sided argument. BTW, how is 1.6/1 equal to .6%? paulkeck keep up the good work, you are a pillar of the Trump universe.
bgz Offline
#44 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
And another EMS....


Got it, Paul is going to have a hard time competing with that... is that extra crunchy?
RobertHively Offline
#45 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
see... everyone can agree on something.

I bet you're also a fan of wearing twisted panties too....


Only with the wife.
paulkeck Offline
#46 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:06 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Got it, Paul is going to have a hard time competing with that... is that extra crunchy?

Your choice boo
victor809 Offline
#47 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:06 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
LOL, now that's entertainment! Victor, you're in a one sided argument. BTW, how is 1.6/1 equal to .6%? paulkeck keep up the good work, you are a pillar of the Trump universe.


To be fair, she didn't say it was ".6%" she called it a "negligible difference"....
victor809 Offline
#48 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:07 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Got it, Paul is going to have a hard time competing with that... is that extra crunchy?


Can't tell... I'd have to lift up my belly to find out.
paulkeck Offline
#49 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:07 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
LOL, now that's entertainment! Victor, you're in a one sided argument. BTW, how is 1.6/1 equal to .6%? paulkeck keep up the good work, you are a pillar of the Trump universe.

I'm a Democrat, Hillary was my hero
bgz Offline
#50 Posted: Mon, Feb 19 2018, 5:11 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Can't tell... I'd have to lift up my belly to find out.


Crane service sent.
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