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So before the elections, Obama says the elections can't be rigged... and tells Trump to stop whining and work on getting votes.

He won. And we've had a year plus investigation on election rigging by the Russians.

oy! another one who missed the topic.

Not sure what was missed? It is Ironic, right? What topic was missed? Isn't this a case of what's good for the goose is good for the gander? Or do as I say, not what I do.....?

Isn't election fraud, or election meddling, election fraud/meddling no matter who is doing it?

Ok, but if this voter fraud Obama is talking about could never happen, then why were Hilary, Jill Stein, and John Podesta demanding recounts in Wisconsin and several other states based on voter fraud......if this could never happen in an American election, why didn't they accept the loss and quit whining?

DETROIT (AP) — Michigan’s presidential recount expanded to several new counties on Tuesday, including its largest one that includes Detroit. Meanwhile, the fate of a statewide recount push in Pennsylvania must wait at least until Friday, when a federal judge has scheduled a hearing on it.

President-elect Donald Trump narrowly defeated Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in both states and Wisconsin, which started its recount last week. The recounts requested by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein were not expected to change enough votes to overturn the result of the election.
Stein, who received about 1 percent of the vote in all three states, says her intent is to verify the accuracy of the vote. She has suggested, with no evidence, that votes cast were susceptible to computer hacking.
Here’s what’s happening in each state and in Nevada, where a partial recount of the race was requested by independent presidential candidate Roque De La Fuente:
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WISCONSIN
Trump had widened his victory margin over Clinton in Wisconsin by 146 votes, with 23 of the state’s 72 counties having finished their recounts as of Tuesday. In those counties, Trump gained 105 votes and Clinton dropped 41 votes.
Trump defeated Clinton in Wisconsin by about 22,000 votes.
A federal judge has scheduled a hearing for Friday in a lawsuit filed last week by a Trump voter and two super PACs seeking to stop the recount.
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MICHIGAN
A federal judge in Detroit ordered a statewide hand recount of roughly 4.8 million ballots that started in two of the state’s 83 counties on Monday. Six more started recounting Tuesday, including the largest, Wayne. Republicans appealed that ruling Monday.
A spokesman for Republican Secretary of State Ruth Johnson said it’s possible not all votes will be recounted in Wayne because of improper seals on ballot boxes and other issues. In such cases, the original vote would stand. Clinton won 67 percent of Wayne County’s vote.
Trump won the state by about 10,700 votes, or two-tenths of a percentage point, over Clinton.
Republican Attorney General Bill Schuette, the Trump campaign and super PACs have filed separate lawsuits asking state courts to prevent the recount, arguing that Stein, as the fourth-place finisher, is not “aggrieved” because she has no chance of winning in a recount. A hearing is scheduled Tuesday on those actions.

Also Tuesday, a Republican-controlled committee approved legislation that would require candidates who lose by more than 5 percentage points to pay 100 percent of the estimated recount cost. Those candidates now pay $125 per precinct, which is Stein’s case is nearly $1 million. Johnson has said the recount may cost $5 million. The bill would retroactively apply to Stein, though Democrats questioned the constitutionality of changing the rules “in the middle of the game.”
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PENNSYLVANIA
U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond in Philadelphia on Tuesday scheduled a hearing Friday on the request for a recount. The Republican Party and Trump warned that the case threatens Pennsylvania’s ability to certify its election before the Dec. 13 federal deadline. Stein’s team hasn’t produced evidence of hacking, but calls Pennsylvania’s election system “a national disgrace.”
The latest count by state election officials showed Trump’s lead at 47,750 over Clinton, out of 6 million votes cast, as more counties finished counting overseas ballots and settled provisional ballot challenges. That is still shy of Pennsylvania’s 0.5 percent trigger for an automatic statewide recount. Final counts are outstanding in some counties, but there are not enough uncounted votes to change the outcome, officials say.

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NEVADA
A partial recount is underway in Nevada at the request of De La Fuente, who finished last with a fraction of 1 percent of the vote. He paid about $14,000 for the recount to provide what he called a counterbalance to the recounts sought by Stein. Most of the 92 precincts being re-counted are in the Las Vegas area, with eight of the precincts in four other counties. If the sample shows a discrepancy of at least 1 percent for De La Fuente or Clinton, a full recount will be launched in all 17 Nevada counties. Clinton defeated Trump in Nevada by 27,202 votes, out of 1.1 million votes cast. Nevada Secretary of State spokeswoman Gail Anderson said the recount will be finished by the end of this week.

What I want to know is this:

The Russians meddled in our election.
By using social media.

I've been told by the liberals that this swayed the election to Trump.

Question:
How many of you liberals voted for Trump because of the fake social media?
And if not you, specifically, then who?

How can spending a few thousand dollars tilt an election where hundreds of millions are spent?

Oh and tail the last indictment indicates millions not thousands of dollars and many of the messages from Russia showed up in cigarbid. It was pretty efficient and still has drafter convinced of the "facts".

some people only read and see what they want to

I like irony

I don't. I get my shirts done at the dry cleaner.

i answered yet again on the other thread.

Victor differentiated better on this one.

I simply can't make you either understand how different the topics are,or make you stop pretending not to understand...wait! Is that the irony you say I missed.

wicked clevah!

I knew exactly what Obama was talking about. He did not believe there was any way Hillary would lose, no matter what. In a country where your access to information is limited, maybe 'social media propaganda' would be effective.

I still want to know what they did. Posted BS info on social media? That we're all FREE to fact check?

Are the Dems saying the Russians out-Soros'ed George Soros?

Prolly... but since they lost, I think they're gonna need more buses next time.

was editing all the stuff under that line while you posted. I wasn't trying to change context..... but they didn't lose. The russians won.

Fake marketing with no regulation or government knowledge could never work. Marketing itself doesn't work, thats why no one does it.

some times you feel like a nut

snopes, cnn, nbc, abc, washpo, etc are all fake news. The only good information comes from blogs, fox, and trump.

You can't be serious.
Every news outlet not named FoxNews has been hammering the fact that Trump won because of Russia's meddling.
The FBI decided to ignore complaints of a troubled youth in Florida so they could concentrate efforts on election fraud implemented by the Russians.

I don't buy it.
I don't think they had any influence. But my guy won and I'm told my opinion on the matter is partisan.

I think as a country we should beotch-slap russia.
But we can't mewl about their infractions and then when called to the plate on a specific matter just shrug and say "no one is saying that".

Well, I guess we CAN do that.
But it's poor form.

https://boingboing.net/2011/10/31/third-person-effect-an-excerpt-from-you-are-not-so-smart.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_favoritism

There are a lot of ways that information provided through social media (which we unconsciously attribute to be a group we are part of) will have much greater impact than actual facts

I get all my news from CBID...keep it comin, gentleman.

It looks like the "lock her up" slogan adopted by the Trump campaign originated when the Russians paid an American woman to don a Hillary mask and prison stripes outfit to attend a pro-Trump rally organized by the Russians...

At the end of the day....who's still the President? I mean when Obama was Prez I didn't care...didn't like him but I didn't care he was the President. Kind of like Trump is today, after all the American people voted him in...

http://checkyourfact.com/2017/06/28/fact-check-did-obama-know-about-russian-meddling-and-do-nothing/

You posted that twice. But it isn't a very good "fact check" site....

So...
I'm ok with blaming obama for not acting when the report came out in aug 2016.

That's fine.

But... obama did nothing from Aug 2016 to Jan 2017... About 5 or 6 months... he put some sanctions in place, but that's about it.

We are now at Feb 2018. Trump has had in excess of 12 months. The information the FBI found in Aug 2016 didn't go away. What idiot would focus on the 5 or 6 months that obama did nothing, rather than the 12-13 months that trump has done nothing, with the same information, and a 5 month lead up, AND even additional investigation?

So you were swayed, comrade?

I'm not a good target. (this is itself a bias, to think things affect others but don't affect you... but what can I do, we all live with biases)
I hate memes... liberal or conservative. If you haven't noticed I subscribe to the concept that if you can state something in a single sentence, you're oversimplifying the problem and likely incorrect. You can try making that into a meme if you want... it might be ironic.

But the russians likely impacted democrats as well. If anyone bothered to watch the CNN vid I referenced, there was an interview with an occupy organizer who believed he was being contacted, and who considered it a risk to both sides. But CNN is an evil MSM... so I guess no one watched. They created a violent black rights group too... probably so they could post stuff on that and then link it to right wing sites and claim "look! the blacks are being evil!".

I think the main intent was dissent. I do think that it worked much better on one side than the other (this could be a bias). But just from personal experience, the couple conservative friends I have on facebook post more dumb political memes than all my liberal friends combined. Even now with the orange f$$ktard in office. My liberal friends frequently post links to articles, but not memes, not not "calls to arms"... none of the crap that apparently was being promoted through social media.

I don't know what the hell you're even trying to get at. You seem to be applying additional strawman arguments that I didn't make.
Additionally, you don't seem to understand what "influenced" means.. the russians could have influenced the election in favor of clinton, and trump could still win... or vice versa. Influenced doesn't mean anything more than "had an impact on"...

The russians are treating our population like a banana republic. That is becoming more and more clear. I have no idea what the ultimate goal was, nor do I know if anyone in office was directly involved. But if you're cool with some unknown percentage of our population protesting/voting/acting in some way due to propaganda (and opposition propaganda) generated and disseminated by a foreign government, that's you.