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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 4:57 PM EST
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http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/375646-georgia-lt-gov-threatens-delta-unless-it-restores-relationship-with-nra

Long and short... Delta stops offering a discount flight to NRA members.

Lieutenant Gov of Georgia decides that because of that, he will "kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA."

So... unless a private company decides to offer a discount to a private organization (a discount no one else gets) the governors office of Georgia will interfere to ensure they can cost that private company as much as possible.

Their logic? that the NRA is representative of conservatives, and this is an attack on conservatives.

Utter bullsh#t.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 5:00 PM EST
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Delta has a plane..Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 5:00 PM EST
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Yes, businesses no longer enjoy the benefits of free association.

Sincerely,
Cake bakers
victor809 Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 5:03 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes, businesses no longer enjoy the benefits of free association.

Sincerely,
Cake bakers


Your analogy would be fine if the article had anything to do with delta not allowing NRA members to fly... or if they were charging more... or if the NRA were anything other than an organization you are free to enter into or leave...

you know... all of your analogy.
Speyside Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 5:20 PM EST
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Not an analogy, a mythology.
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 5:50 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/375646-georgia-lt-gov-threatens-delta-unless-it-restores-relationship-with-nra

Long and short... Delta stops offering a discount flight to NRA members.

Lieutenant Gov of Georgia decides that because of that, he will "kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA."

So... unless a private company decides to offer a discount to a private organization (a discount no one else gets) the governors office of Georgia will interfere to ensure they can cost that private company as much as possible.

Their logic? that the NRA is representative of conservatives, and this is an attack on conservatives.

Utter bullsh#t.


I agree, but it's not unlike certain states banning government business with North Carolina because of their bathroom law thingy a while back.
At the end of every excuse and reason and rebuttal is the simple fact that this is all partisan politics.

It stinks both ways.
bgz Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 6:00 PM EST
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Sounds like a d1ck waving fest to me. Personally, don't GAF, but for sh17s and giggles, I'll take the anti-Delta position.

If Delta had a previous arrangement with the NRA and decided to try and get more millennial businesss, that's a pretty sh177y thing to do.

As far as the Governor's position, I highly doubt he has the power to actually do anything to hurt Delta without screwing with the other airlines or other businesses... so in a sense, he's all bark and no bite... but it might sway conservatives who would otherwise fly Delta to pick a different flight.

Alright, that's the best I can do :D
victor809 Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 6:00 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I agree, but it's not unlike certain states banning government business with North Carolina because of their bathroom law thingy a while back.
At the end of every excuse and reason and rebuttal is the simple fact that this is all partisan politics.

It stinks both ways.


Partisan, yes. But not the same thing.

Delta has in no way shape or form infringed on any NRA members rights. They simply stopped offering a discount...

If a state government in a state which promotes transgender rights has to concern itself with those employees rights when they travel, then the "easy" (read partisan/news gathering) solution is to stop government business with said location.

This is literally the same thing as the state government coming down on delta if they got rid of the AARP discount. It's a f$$king discount. As in, apparently you would get X% off your plane ticket if you were an NRA member...
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 6:11 PM EST
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It's virtue signaling, and it's the new in tactic of the commies.

Hang em all.
victor809 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 6:19 PM EST
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So the georgia lieutenant governor is a commie?
Speyside Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 6:24 PM EST
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Buisnesses seldom make decisions based on anything other than their bottom line. Z, that's BS on your part. What this means if I interpret it correctly, which I might not be, is Delta thinks more people are pizzed at the NRA than look favorably at the NRA. But you consider everything a liberal conspiracy. I would be interested in what you have to say if you could back it up with some logic. Can you? Or do you only have bluster in your game today?
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#12 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 8:45 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So the georgia lieutenant governor is a commie?

Not to put too fine a point on it but fascist are different than communists.
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#13 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 10:00 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Not to put too fine a point on it but fascist are different than communists.

Better sauces
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 10:27 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Better sauces

after careful consideration, it does make sense
gummy jones Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 10:35 PM EST
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These companies have all waded into political waters and are discriminating against an advocate for a constitutional right.

The liberal agenda has switched from government bureaucrats doing the oppressing to corporate bureaucrats wielding the sword. The worm needs to turn.
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 10:41 PM EST
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not sure retracting a discount constitutes oppression.
Phil222 Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 10:46 PM EST
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I tried to get my governor to react the same way when Golden Corral stopped honoring my 10% off coupons...still waiting to hear back from him.
Speyside Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 10:56 PM EST
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Sauces, I don't need no lousy stinking sauces, but Borscht on the other hand.
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 10:58 PM EST
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Lol... gummy... you may be missing the definition of a discount...
Speyside Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 10:59 PM EST
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I took the governor off of my go cart as a kid. It went way more than 10% faster. Till dad welded it into place.
frankj1 Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 11:05 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Sauces, I don't need no lousy stinking sauces, but Borscht on the other hand.

wif sour cream?
banderl Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 11:09 PM EST
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http://news.delta.com/deltas-economic-impact-metro-atlanta-georgia
Speyside Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 11:10 PM EST
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Goes without saying.
Speyside Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2018, 11:17 PM EST
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Some nice dumplings to please.
gummy jones Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 10:18 AM EST
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#16 using social pressure to demonize others is the new end game. Hashtag campaigns, etc.

Delta donates directly to an organization that has single handedly murdered many millions of babies (and is opposed by half the country) yet virtue signals in regards to an advocacy group for a tool related to a constitutional right that applies to all men and women.
MACS Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 10:49 AM EST
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I agree that it's not okay for the Lt governor to get involved in Delta's business.

I also think it's not OK to blame the NRA for a school shooting. The NRA didn't fail. A member of the NRA didn't shoot up that school. The gov't failed, at every level. FBI. State and local LE. The sheriff. The school resource officer.

It is equally stupid to blame the NRA, as it is for the Lt governor to get involved in delta's business decisions.
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 12:28 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
#16 using social pressure to demonize others is the new end game. Hashtag campaigns, etc.

Delta donates directly to an organization that has single handedly murdered many millions of babies (and is opposed by half the country) yet virtue signals in regards to an advocacy group for a tool related to a constitutional right that applies to all men and women.


Were you crying "virtue signalling" when delta gave a discount to NRA members?
They are literally saying they are going to treat NRA members like everyone else.... and your diversion is to pretend to be outraged that they donate to planned parenthood (which they can do as citizens).

And what does any of that have to do with the clear government interference the governonr's office is claiming to be ready to act on?

Would you be similarly OK with it if the Lt Governor had claimed he was going to obstruct any tax benefits Delta received when they offered NRA members a discount? Because that would be the same thing.

And you also seem to mix up the 2nd amendment with the NRA. The NRA CLAIMS to be an organization which supports the 2nd amendment. Their ability to do so, and their ability to not be distracted from that goal is as effective as any organization made up of people. One could very easily support the 2nd amendment and NOT support the NRA. They are not spokespeople for the 2nd amendment any more than a pedophile preacher is a spokesperson for god.
victor809 Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 12:33 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I agree that it's not okay for the Lt governor to get involved in Delta's business.

I also think it's not OK to blame the NRA for a school shooting. The NRA didn't fail. A member of the NRA didn't shoot up that school. The gov't failed, at every level. FBI. State and local LE. The sheriff. The school resource officer.

It is equally stupid to blame the NRA, as it is for the Lt governor to get involved in delta's business decisions.

I agree MACS... I don't think the NRA has any culpability in the shooting.
However, they consistently double-down on their stance, and add in some seriously ridiculous rhetoric (did you listen to that guy? he was off his f$$king rocker) every time there is a shooting. I can understand completely why a corporation would want to distance themselves from that organization.

The NRA is more than just the 2nd amendment. Hell, the pepe lePieu guy (whatever his name was) spent more time talking about the evil democrats than the 2nd amendment after a school shooting.

But either way, it's up to customers to decide if they want to support a business that doesn't directly give discounts to special interest groups... not up to the governors office.
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#29 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 12:45 PM EST
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"Delta, which is headquartered in Atlanta, is reportedly seeking state approval to restore a sizable fuel tax break that expired several years ago."

Well...looks like they can take that off the table.

Buy a shotgun...buy a shotgun - Joe Biden
MACS Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 12:49 PM EST
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The NRA should double down on their stance. We should be making it easier for law abiding citizens to defend themselves, not harder.

The gov't is inept at everything they do, and they want us to rely on them to protect us? Nope, nope, and nope.
victor809 Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 12:56 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
The NRA should double down on their stance. We should be making it easier for law abiding citizens to defend themselves, not harder.

The gov't is inept at everything they do, and they want us to rely on them to protect us? Nope, nope, and nope.


MACS, that's your perception. That's fine. However, there are a lot of people in this country who don't want to hear the NRA go on what really sounds like a shrill "they're gonna take out guns!" scream every time a buncha kids are killed. And that's the other side's perception, and that's fine too.

Either opinion is just fine.

Delta is making a commercial decision (or personal, I don't know) that they don't want to actively give money to the NRA by offering discounts. That's also perfectly fine. It would also be perfectly fine if an airline decided to offer free tickets to NRA members...

None of this is bad.

What's bad is the Governors office stepping in.
Those guys need to f$$k themselves in the azz with a barbed wire wrapped baseball bat.
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 12:59 PM EST
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I re-joined the NRA last week... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 1:04 PM EST
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Nothing you ever do is ok drafter. Nothing.
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#34 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 1:11 PM EST
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"Many in legacy media love mass shootings. You guys love it," (NRA Spokeswoman) Dana Loesch said Thursday. "Now I'm not saying that you love the tragedy. But I am saying that you love the ratings. Crying white mothers are ratings gold to you and many in the legacy media in the back (of the room)."
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#35 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 2:28 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
"Many in legacy media love mass shootings. You guys love it," (NRA Spokeswoman) Dana Loesch said Thursday. "Now I'm not saying that you love the tragedy. But I am saying that you love the ratings. Crying white mothers are ratings gold to you and many in the legacy media in the back (of the room)."


100% accurate.
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#36 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 2:31 PM EST
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After reading the responses on this thread, let me say:

tailgater wrote:

At the end of every excuse and reason and rebuttal is the simple fact that this is all partisan politics.
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#37 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 2:33 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Partisan, yes. But not the same thing.

Delta has in no way shape or form infringed on any NRA members rights. They simply stopped offering a discount...

If a state government in a state which promotes transgender rights has to concern itself with those employees rights when they travel, then the "easy" (read partisan/news gathering) solution is to stop government business with said location.

This is literally the same thing as the state government coming down on delta if they got rid of the AARP discount. It's a f$$king discount. As in, apparently you would get X% off your plane ticket if you were an NRA member...



So I'll use a different example.

The city of Boston didn't want to allow Chik-fil-A.
The mayor railed against them. "not in our town!"

It wasn't because of their sammiches and waffle fries, that's for sure.

It was partisan BS then.
It's partisan BS now.
victor809 Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 2:39 PM EST
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And I'd agree with you if you had brought that up.

What did the mayor do? Did he block any leases or business licenses? Did he use his office to go after a business? Because that would be bad.
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#39 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 2:58 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So I'll use a different example.

The city of Boston didn't want to allow Chik-fil-A.
The mayor railed against them. "not in our town!"

It wasn't because of their sammiches and waffle fries, that's for sure.

It was partisan BS then.
It's partisan BS now.


I heard that it was Mayor McCheese that was behind the push to keep Chik-fil-A out of Boston. Beer
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#40 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 3:08 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
I heard that it was Mayor McCheese that was behind the push to keep Chik-fil-A out of Boston. Beer

Fake News!!!! It was the Hamburgler.......Anxious
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I'm hungry.
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#42 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 3:42 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
after careful consideration, it does make sense



you guys are too Euro centric...
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#43 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 3:47 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
"Many in legacy media love mass shootings. You guys love it," (NRA Spokeswoman) Dana Loesch said Thursday. "Now I'm not saying that you love the tragedy. But I am saying that you love the ratings. Crying white mothers are ratings gold to you and many in the legacy media in the back (of the room)."


The NRA loves mass shootings also. Their spokespersons willingly step in front of the same media cameras after every shooting, promoting sales of guns. And it works...look at the spikes in gun sales after each incident...
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#44 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 3:55 PM EST
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To be honest we all love a good school shooting.

Sort of a dystopian future thing where a hand full of kids are killed for the drama and excitement of the rest of society.

If we didn't love it we would have fixed it by now
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#45 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 3:55 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The NRA loves mass shootings also. Their spokespersons willingly step in front of the same media cameras after every shooting, promoting sales of guns. And it works...look at the spikes in gun sales after each incident...



They have to go in front of cameras to defend what they are.

Promoting 2nd amendment rights. Gun safety and training.

It's not like they're Planned Parenthood.
delta1 Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 4:08 PM EST
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I dunno about that...never see alcohol beverage lobbyists in front of the cameras after a drunk driver kills a buncha people...


might be a better strategy if the NRA stays in the background rather than step in front of a camera and point fingers and throw bombs, especially as more people seem to want some common sense gun safety measures...that spokesperson, Loesch, may have hurt the NRA's cause by blaming the media for hyping mass shootings...
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#47 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 4:49 PM EST
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They are defending themselves... Ever see the media blame Budweiser after a drunk driver kills someone..?? Or the auto industry..?? Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 4:50 PM EST
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And you don't see a coordinated effort by a biased media to portray things in one light (with your example).

I'll worry about lowering bluster when Victor does.
MACS Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 4:53 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The NRA loves mass shootings also. Their spokespersons willingly step in front of the same media cameras after every shooting, promoting sales of guns. And it works...look at the spikes in gun sales after each incident...


So the NRA is selling guns, now? Huh...
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#50 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2018, 4:58 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
To be honest we all love a good school shooting.

Sort of a dystopian future thing where a hand full of kids are killed for the drama and excitement of the rest of society.

If we didn't love it we would have fixed it by now


That's actually the most sane argument I've seen on this topic.

Makes sense to me.
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