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banderl Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Mar 6 2018, 9:26 AM EST
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Anything to make a buck.


Trump Organization Ordered Presidential Seal Tee Markers for Golf Courses


The Trump Organization reportedly placed an order for tee markers carrying the presidential seal that were to be displayed on golf courses owned by President Donald Trump, possibly running afoul of federal law.

ProPublica and WNYC reported on Monday that Eagle Sign and Design, a metalworking and sign-making company based in New Albany, Indiana, received an order to manufacture "dozens of round, 12-inch replicas of the presidential seal to be placed next to the tee boxes at Trump golf course holes."

"We made the design, and the client confirmed the design," Eagle Sign owner Joseph Bates told ProPublica.

Bates declined to confirm the customer who made the request, but a ProPublica source said the order form says it came from "Trump International." Eagle Sign's website includes some of its previous work for Trump properties.

A photo posted to Eagle Sign's Facebook page, since removed, was captioned "Trump International Golf Course." A photo provided to ProPublica included 30 of the bronze and aluminum tee markers.

Four Trump-branded properties have "international" in their names: his clubs in West Palm Beach, Florida; Aberdeen, Scotland; Doonbeg, Ireland; and Dubai, United Arab Emirates, and a fifth is under construction in Indonesia. It's not clear how many of the courses were to feature the markers, ProPublica said.

Ethics experts have interpreted federal law to prohibit the commercial use of the presidential seal, and while past presidents have sometimes had objects like golf balls, M&Ms and fine china made with the seal, those instances were strictly for personal use.

Section 18 of the U.S. code says that "whoever … knowingly manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness" of the presidential seal for non-official government use "shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."
HuckFinn Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Mar 6 2018, 9:36 AM EST
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Maybe he's trying to raise capital for upcoming legal fees.
banderl Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Mar 6 2018, 9:55 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Maybe he's trying to raise capital for upcoming legal fees.



He has campaign funds for that.
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Mar 6 2018, 11:03 AM EST
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Paul, this would appear to be a factual representation of something Trump has done that appears to be illegal. Have a nice day.
delta1 Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Mar 6 2018, 5:00 PM EST
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and you don't have to be a fool, delusional or gullible to see that...
fiddler898 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Mar 6 2018, 5:21 PM EST
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Six months? On the taxpayers's dollar?
tailgater Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 1:10 PM EST
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Liberal joy.

They accuse President Trump of everything. From sexual misconduct (it apparently matters now) to rigging an election, to treason.

they can't prove any of it. They just have a fake dossier that was written by the russians who loved trump enough to sway the election but now hate trump enough to wag a nuke in our face. (you really can't make this stuff up).

So in lieu of anything to support their wet hopeful dreams, they pounce on some copyrighted golf tees.

And then they strut around as if this supports anything else they claim.
HuckFinn Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 1:37 PM EST
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Mueller is not a liberal. Frank is.

Taken separately, are you going to howl deep state or liberal conspiracy if and when the Mueller investigation is completed and he's found guilty of something?
Cause if he's exonerated I promise to shut up and possibly even apologize.
Ok. Not that.

And who is this "they" you're generalizing about?
A porn star accusing him of screwing her and paying her hush money?
Is the press supposed to ignore her claim? Did they when it was Gary Hart's or Bill Clinton's up at bat?

And who, besides you and Sean Hannity doesn't believe the Russians screwed with our elections??

The golf tees are a disgrace, but not illegal.

This is madness, even Kafkaesque. Can't imagine how what we're witnessing is acceptable to anyone who cares about our country.
Pretending it's worth what it's doing to our country is irresponsible and unpatriotic.
Seems to be mean-spirited fun for some, I have to admit...
Krazeehorse Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 1:52 PM EST
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Impeach. Impeach. (That was for Maxine)
victor809 Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 1:53 PM EST
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The golf tees may or may not be illegal.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-seal-presidential-tacky-trump-golf-tee-0307-story.html

The above article does a really good job of describing the law in question, and weighs in that it doesn't appear to be illegal as to be illegal it would require that the use of the mark imply endorsement.

I'm not 100% sure I agree with the article, as the presence of trump's signature and presidential seal on merchandise sold in Trump Tower just screams "endorsement" to me... but that would be a judges decision.

It's ridiculously tacky and makes it clear what the focus of this president really is on. Merchandising.
RMAN4443 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 2:04 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Anything to make a buck.


Trump Organization Ordered Presidential Seal Tee Markers for Golf Courses


The Trump Organization reportedly placed an order for tee markers carrying the presidential seal that were to be displayed on golf courses owned by President Donald Trump, possibly running afoul of federal law.

ProPublica and WNYC reported on Monday that Eagle Sign and Design, a metalworking and sign-making company based in New Albany, Indiana, received an order to manufacture "dozens of round, 12-inch replicas of the presidential seal to be placed next to the tee boxes at Trump golf course holes."

"We made the design, and the client confirmed the design," Eagle Sign owner Joseph Bates told ProPublica.

Bates declined to confirm the customer who made the request, but a ProPublica source said the order form says it came from "Trump International." Eagle Sign's website includes some of its previous work for Trump properties.

A photo posted to Eagle Sign's Facebook page, since removed, was captioned "Trump International Golf Course." A photo provided to ProPublica included 30 of the bronze and aluminum tee markers.

Four Trump-branded properties have "international" in their names: his clubs in West Palm Beach, Florida; Aberdeen, Scotland; Doonbeg, Ireland; and Dubai, United Arab Emirates, and a fifth is under construction in Indonesia. It's not clear how many of the courses were to feature the markers, ProPublica said.

Ethics experts have interpreted federal law to prohibit the commercial use of the presidential seal, and while past presidents have sometimes had objects like golf balls, M&Ms and fine china made with the seal, those instances were strictly for personal use.

Section 18 of the U.S. code says that "whoever … knowingly manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness" of the presidential seal for non-official government use "shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."


You can go to gift shops all over DC and get souvenirs with the presidential seal every day of the week....

https://www.dcgiftshop.com/items/Seal-of-President-of-United-States-Latte-Mug.html

https://www.dcgiftshop.com/items/Presidential-Great-Seal-Golf-Ball-Set.html even golf balls

https://www.dcgiftshop.com/items/Presidential-Limo-Toy-Car.html

https://dcgiftshop.com/items/The-Great-Presidential-Seal-Baseball-Cap-Khaki.html

https://www.whitehousegifts.com/collections/adult-children-apparel/products/presidential-seal-crew-neck-sweatshirt

https://www.rock.com/p/the-ramones-presidential-seal-mens-t-shirt.....not a dc gift shop, but for sale and easily found

https://www.loriferber.com/categories/featured-items/clinton-air-force-one-playing-card-set.html

The list goes on and on and on.......google items with presidential seal in dc gift shops......8.5 million results

Think
banderl Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 3:32 PM EST
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If not illegal, certainly very very tremendously tacky.
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 4:42 PM EST
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Rman... of course it's been done.
But this is the first time I've ever known of it being done by the president or a business the president and/or the presidents children are owners of.

This is not the behavior we used to expect from a president... thw president is essentially making money off cheap merchandise marketing of the office he holds.
delta1 Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 4:48 PM EST
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I suspect that this will pale in comparison...much of the focus of the Russian witch hunt has been on the motives of those close to Trump, and it looks like they were trying to cash in...his supporters would like to believe that he would not stoop so low...
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 5:07 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
every concert I go to has tshirts sold in the parking lot. our president should not be held to a higher standard than a parking lot vendor



In this particular case I agree. No reason to respect the office.
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 5:08 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Rman... of course it's been done.
But this is the first time I've ever known of it being done by the president or a business the president and/or the presidents children are owners of.

This is not the behavior we used to expect from a president... thw president is essentially making money off cheap merchandise marketing of the office he holds.

made in China?
RMAN4443 Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 5:18 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
made in China?

No, that was the 2012 Olympic team clothing Think
Abrignac Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 5:48 PM EST
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Seems Obama took an oath to uphold the constitution then invited a few million illegeals to come over, but I guess that doesn’t really matter.
tailgater Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 5:55 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Seems Obama took an oath to uphold the constitution then invited a few million illegeals to come over, but I guess that doesn’t really matter.


You heard about the golf tees, haven't you?
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 5:59 PM EST
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Not really relevant.... i mean there are a million other major problems we can talk about with Trump. Many I think are significantly worse than the false narrative of "invited millions of illegals".

But right now we're talking about the fact that he's got his businesses merchandising the presidency.

Important? Not really. But I recall people whining about obama wearing a tan suit.
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 6:12 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Mueller is not a liberal. Frank is.

Taken separately, are you going to howl deep state or liberal conspiracy if and when the Mueller investigation is completed and he's found guilty of something?
Cause if he's exonerated I promise to shut up and possibly even apologize.
Ok. Not that.

And who is this "they" you're generalizing about?
A porn star accusing him of screwing her and paying her hush money?
Is the press supposed to ignore her claim? Did they when it was Gary Hart's or Bill Clinton's up at bat?

And who, besides you and Sean Hannity doesn't believe the Russians screwed with our elections??

The golf tees are a disgrace, but not illegal.

This is madness, even Kafkaesque. Can't imagine how what we're witnessing is acceptable to anyone who cares about our country.
Pretending it's worth what it's doing to our country is irresponsible and unpatriotic.
Seems to be mean-spirited fun for some, I have to admit...


I like this Huck guy.
He admits that even if President Trump is exonerated that he won't apologize.

As for the porn star: who cares?
He had sex with her. She's a whore by definition. Why the fuss about her? The First Lady is the ONLY one who should care even a little.

As for the elections? You really have to keep your storyline straight.
Did you or anyone you know vote for Donald Trump because of the Russian social media barrage? If so, please tell me. And do me a favor and HIRE that Russian guru. Because their $100k "trumped" Hillary's $600 Million.


This post is proof positive that the left have gone bonkers.
Golf tees? Really?

Get a grip, people.

Donald Trump was elected, in part, because he's not "presidential". Not a politician.
Now those who lost the election are complaining because he's not presidential.
That would be like complaining that Obama wasn't conservative.

Unpatriotic?
Your candidate lost so it's unpatriotic to support the winner?

Wow.
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 6:53 PM EST
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tg wrote:
Did you or anyone you know vote for Donald Trump because of the Russian social media barrage?

no way anyone who voted for him knows what info swayed them, true or false...
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 6:56 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:


Donald Trump was elected, in part, because he's not "presidential". Not a politician.
Now those who lost the election are complaining because he's not presidential.
That would be like complaining that Obama wasn't conservative.


dumb argument tail.

If 46% of the population voted for trump because he liked raping infants, would you tell the 48% who didn't vote for him to stop complaining about his rape of infants?

Did anyone here tell you to stop complaining about obama putting the ACA in place because he ran on it? Did it stop anyone here from complaining about it?

A terrible candidate ran on a terrible platform and was voted for by terrible people (I'm sure there were good people on both sides... both sides). That doesn't mean that just because he acted like this before he was elected that we can't point out every single time he does something like this.

HuckFinn Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Mar 7 2018, 11:16 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I like this Huck guy.
He admits that even if President Trump is exonerated that he won't apologize.

As for the porn star: who cares?
He had sex with her. She's a whore by definition. Why the fuss about her? The First Lady is the ONLY one who should care even a little.

As for the elections? You really have to keep your storyline straight.
Did you or anyone you know vote for Donald Trump because of the Russian social media barrage? If so, please tell me. And do me a favor and HIRE that Russian guru. Because their $100k "trumped" Hillary's $600 Million.


This post is proof positive that the left have gone bonkers.
Golf tees? Really?

Get a grip, people.

Donald Trump was elected, in part, because he's not "presidential". Not a politician.
Now those who lost the election are complaining because he's not presidential.
That would be like complaining that Obama wasn't conservative.

Unpatriotic?
Your candidate lost so it's unpatriotic to support the winner?

Wow.





Trump's behavior was, is, and will always be despicable to me. He's beyond an embarrassment. He's a clown.
And he's probably incapable of giving a chit about the serious damage he is doing to the US. Do you?

It's clear that he's morally corrupt. Rules dont apply to him. Why would anyone ever apologize to him? For what? Accurately evaluating him?

The porn star scandal just further exposes his moral depravity. And if it were just an affair I wouldn't care. But the lying and bullying he's done to shut her up is not ok. You screwed her? Fine. You didn't? Fine. But have your lawyers sneak money (untraceable )to her and then threaten her? **** you!

You're right. Donald was elected partly because he was the anti-president. We all kind of thought we knew what we were getting. But this is getting dangerous. It's as though he's playing Russian roulette with our fates! (Pun only half-intended). He is unstable. No discussion around that please.

The left hasn't gone bonkers. He has. And you have too if you don't see what's so obvious. You're not amused by his erratic behavior, are ya? Maybe you are...You have kids? Grandkids?
I do...

It's just a game to him. Chaos. Power. And we're pawns and minor pieces.
He’s a president. Not a king. He should be protecting us. And he's sabotaging us.

You are being loyal to your choice and party. Not to your country. I know you won't see that but

Look who exactly it is you're defending. I'm serious. Is HE worth it?
And so what if he has an occasional good idea.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, right?

It's not about 'my candidate' or yours. It's about something much more important than party. Its about the character, or lack thereof, of this man. Not the Republican. The man. It's about our country's security.

It is unpatriotic to support this president. He won, sure. Doesn't give him carte blanche.
Buckwheat Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 8:53 AM EST
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banderl wrote:
If not illegal, certainly very very tremendously tacky.



I think most rational people would agree that Trump is "very, very tremendously tacky." fog
Speyside Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 9:52 AM EST
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The world according to Tail. You seem to be shadow boxing. A deflection here, a misdirection there. For the 3rd time, did you support Obama? The first two times you decided not to answer. I will keep asking. If can't answer yes then shame on you for using but he is president it is unpatriotic not to support him.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 10:02 AM EST
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"Over the past few weeks I have been asked countless times to comment on reports of an alleged sexual relationship I had with Donald Trump many, many, many years ago," Daniels said in a statement. "The fact of the matter is that each party to this alleged affair denied its existence in 2006, 2011, 2016, 2017 and now again in 2018. I am not denying the affair because I was paid ‘hush money’ as has been reported in overseas owned tabloids. I am denying this affair because it never happened."
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 11:20 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:


If 46% of the population voted for trump because he liked raping infants, would you tell the 48% who didn't vote for him to stop complaining about his rape of infants?


The point was that MOST people are sick and tired of recycling our politicians. We vote them in, then half of us complain. The pure definition of insanity. Your analogy is weak. Baby raping? Really? Your choice of analogy is telling. And disturbing.

victor809 wrote:
Did anyone here tell you to stop complaining about obama putting the ACA in place because he ran on it? Did it stop anyone here from complaining about it?

I like how you've inverted the "but Hillary" retort.
Ineffective. Hardly unique. And fully anticipated.
In a word: borish.

victor809 wrote:
A terrible candidate ran on a terrible platform and was voted for by terrible people (I'm sure there were good people on both sides... both sides). That doesn't mean that just because he acted like this before he was elected that we can't point out every single time he does something like this.


I agree. It doesn't mean you won't.
But understand this fact: it's a childish whine.

You thought the birthers were whacked?
You and your kind have made them look entirely sane.
So I guess congratulations are in order.
tailgater Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 11:23 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
The world according to Tail. You seem to be shadow boxing. A deflection here, a misdirection there. For the 3rd time, did you support Obama? The first two times you decided not to answer. I will keep asking. If can't answer yes then shame on you for using but he is president it is unpatriotic not to support him.


I'd like to buy some punctuation for $1000, Pat.
tailgater Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 11:25 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
"Over the past few weeks I have been asked countless times to comment on reports of an alleged sexual relationship I had with Donald Trump many, many, many years ago," Daniels said in a statement. "The fact of the matter is that each party to this alleged affair denied its existence in 2006, 2011, 2016, 2017 and now again in 2018. I am not denying the affair because I was paid ‘hush money’ as has been reported in overseas owned tabloids. I am denying this affair because it never happened."


NYT Headline: Trump can't consummate the deal!
tailgater Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 11:31 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Trump's behavior was, is, and will always be despicable to me. He's beyond an embarrassment. He's a clown.
And he's probably incapable of giving a chit about the serious damage he is doing to the US. Do you?

It's clear that he's morally corrupt. Rules dont apply to him. Why would anyone ever apologize to him? For what? Accurately evaluating him?

The porn star scandal just further exposes his moral depravity. And if it were just an affair I wouldn't care. But the lying and bullying he's done to shut her up is not ok. You screwed her? Fine. You didn't? Fine. But have your lawyers sneak money (untraceable )to her and then threaten her? **** you!

You're right. Donald was elected partly because he was the anti-president. We all kind of thought we knew what we were getting. But this is getting dangerous. It's as though he's playing Russian roulette with our fates! (Pun only half-intended). He is unstable. No discussion around that please.

The left hasn't gone bonkers. He has. And you have too if you don't see what's so obvious. You're not amused by his erratic behavior, are ya? Maybe you are...You have kids? Grandkids?
I do...

It's just a game to him. Chaos. Power. And we're pawns and minor pieces.
He’s a president. Not a king. He should be protecting us. And he's sabotaging us.

You are being loyal to your choice and party. Not to your country. I know you won't see that but

Look who exactly it is you're defending. I'm serious. Is HE worth it?
And so what if he has an occasional good idea.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, right?

It's not about 'my candidate' or yours. It's about something much more important than party. Its about the character, or lack thereof, of this man. Not the Republican. The man. It's about our country's security.

It is unpatriotic to support this president. He won, sure. Doesn't give him carte blanche.


yawn.


I like how you can put "It's not about 'my candidate' or yours." in the same post when you call an alleged affair as "morally corrupt". I've only recently become acquainted with you, but I know enough to KNOW you never used those words with previous presidents. Even when their moral deprivation occurred in the oval office.

But more to the point, when you use the comment "The left hasn't gone bonkers" I can take nothing else serious from your post. Because even if we disagree on WHY they've gone bonkers, or even if it's somehow justified, you can't deny it as pure, unadulterated fact.
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 12:06 PM EST
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I know a lot of people who still believe false information, much of which if not originated was pushed by real fake news (not Trumps redefined version) which has been tied back to the Russians. of course most of the people I know that still believe such things are in here.


By the way we are fools if we think they aren't playing both sides. The sooner we realize it isn't about one party or one candidate the better off we will all be.

Trump won. Lets quit being defensive about trying to legitimize that. it's done. lets not use insecurity to let things continue.
HuckFinn Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 12:14 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
yawn.


I like how you can put "It's not about 'my candidate' or yours." in the same post when you call an alleged affair as "morally corrupt". I've only recently become acquainted with you, but I know enough to KNOW you never used those words with previous presidents. Even when their moral deprivation occurred in the oval office.

But more to the point, when you use the comment "The left hasn't gone bonkers" I can take nothing else serious from your post. Because even if we disagree on WHY they've gone bonkers, or even if it's somehow justified, you can't deny it as pure, unadulterated fact.




Sorry to keep you up. Kind of.
*hands tg glass of ice cold Geritol on the rocks*

I've said it many times now in different threads; I don't care if leaders screw around. I've actually said that I prefer my leaders calm and 'satisfied'. Doesn't make them admirable. Or moral icons. Just makes me safer. What's morally corrupt about Donald's affair is the cover up and bullying. The lies after the fact. Was unacceptable when Bill lied. Is unacceptable here.
The indiscretion's importance pales in comparison to the deception.

Guess 'bonkers' means different things for you and me.
When I see something spiraling out of control, just in order for me to describe it might seem bonkers to someone like you who is conveniently oblivious to the unshaired reality. I'm watching a train wreck and yep, adrenaline is flowing. And it should be!

What we're witnessing with this administration is not normal. Or healthy for the country.
It's freaking bonkers! Snap outta it!
tailgater Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 1:52 PM EST
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Huck.
I'm not ready to congratulate the Donald for boinking a porn star. I wouldn't screw her with your d1ck and Frankie Tripod pushing.
But I digress.

You claim to not care about extramarital affairs of the POTUS. Yet you use it as reason to declare him morally bankrupt.

And I'm the one who's bonkers.



(insert crazy alexa laugh track here)
HuckFinn Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 2:51 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Huck.
I'm not ready to congratulate the Donald for boinking a porn star. I wouldn't screw her with your d1ck and Frankie Tripod pushing.
But I digress.

You claim to not care about extramarital affairs of the POTUS. Yet you use it as reason to declare him morally bankrupt.

And I'm the one who's bonkers.



(insert crazy alexa laugh track here)




You're limiting your definition of morality as it regards sex only. I'm not. This guy has a long horrible reputation in his business past of seriously ripping people off.

He lacks principles and as far as I can see can't distinguish between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
Right is what profits him. Good behavior is getting away with bad behavior.

You seem to enjoy defending him. 16 high level people from his inner circle have quit or been fired since he took office. Keep honing that skill!
I'm sure they'll be an opening (for you?) soon!
RMAN4443 Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 2:53 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Sorry to keep you up. Kind of.
*hands tg glass of ice cold Geritol on the rocks*

I've said it many times now in different threads; I don't care if leaders screw around. I've actually said that I prefer my leaders calm and 'satisfied'. Doesn't make them admirable. Or moral icons. Just makes me safer. What's morally corrupt about Donald's affair is the cover up and bullying. The lies after the fact. Was unacceptable when Bill lied. Is unacceptable here.
The indiscretion's importance pales in comparison to the deception.

Guess 'bonkers' means different things for you and me.
When I see something spiraling out of control, just in order for me to describe it might seem bonkers to someone like you who is conveniently oblivious to the unshaired reality. I'm watching a train wreck and yep, adrenaline is flowing. And it should be!

What we're witnessing with this administration is not normal. Or healthy for the country.
It's freaking bonkers! Snap outta it!

So, your stating that Bill Clinton is morally corrupt........so by extension Hillary is morally corrupt(maybe even deplorable?), for condoning Bill's "exploits" and condemning the many woman he had "is is" with during their marriage?Think
teedubbya Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 2:56 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
So, your stating that Bill Clinton is morally corrupt........so by extension Hillary is morally corrupt(maybe even deplorable?), for condoning Bill's "exploits" and condemning the many woman he had "is is" with during their marriage?Think



Lets just answer that yes so we can table it and not use it as an excuse.
victor809 Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 3:08 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Huck.
I'm not ready to congratulate the Donald for boinking a porn star. I wouldn't screw her with your d1ck and Frankie Tripod pushing.
But I digress.



I would think if you wanted to impress her you'd swap frankie to the front....
tailgater Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 3:12 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
You're limiting your definition of morality as it regards sex only. I'm not. This guy has a long horrible reputation in his business past of seriously ripping people off.

He lacks principles and as far as I can see can't distinguish between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
Right is what profits him. Good behavior is getting away with bad behavior.

You seem to enjoy defending him. 16 high level people from his inner circle have quit or been fired since he took office. Keep honing that skill!
I'm sure they'll be an opening (for you?) soon!


Pointing out your glaring inconsistencies is hardly akin to defending the man. I just get a kick out of the hysteria from the left. It's comical, yet sad.
And by sad, I mean pathetic.

So we've now heard several posts from you saying you don't care about sexual liaisons. You're emphatic about it. Yet you used it as a demerit towards our President.
If you can't see the complete lunacy in that then I apologize for giving you too much credit.

And I've got my resume in.
I hear the interns lack self esteem and aim to please.
If you know what I mean. Wink wink. nudge nudge.
tailgater Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 3:14 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I would think if you wanted to impress her you'd swap frankie to the front....


She likes 'em un-cut.
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#41 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 3:32 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
So, your stating that Bill Clinton is morally corrupt........so by extension Hillary is morally corrupt(maybe even deplorable?), for condoning Bill's "exploits" and condemning the many woman he had "is is" with during their marriage?Think

Huh?
My take:
Lots of people have extramarital affairs. Nobody at cbid of course but...

That wouldn't make a person morally corrupt imo. Weak, yeah.

I guess what constitutes moral bankruptcy depends on who'se making the judgement.
A priest and a hooker are pretty likely to give you pretty different answers, right?

I think it was Lenny Bruce who said 'obscenity is anything that gives a judge a hardon'

I'm far from a bible guy but I like this: let him without sin cast the first stone.
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#42 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 3:47 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Pointing out your glaring inconsistencies is hardly akin to defending the man. I just get a kick out of the hysteria from the left. It's comical, yet sad.
And by sad, I mean pathetic.

So we've now heard several posts from you saying you don't care about sexual liaisons. You're emphatic about it. Yet you used it as a demerit towards our President.
If you can't see the complete lunacy in that then I apologize for giving you too much credit.

And I've got my resume in.
I hear the interns lack self esteem and aim to please.
If you know what I mean. Wink wink. nudge nudge.







Getting tedious amigo....

Here's what I said :
"The porn star scandal just further exposes his moral depravity. And if it were just an affair I wouldn't care. But the lying and bullying he's done to shut her up is not ok."
THAT is morally reprehensible!

Most people care about indiscretions. I really don't. Obviously they're inconsiderate to partners that are being cheated on but it's just not my business. I don't think it's any more immoral than any consensual sex. That said, please step away from that goat dude.
He is not looking happy!

So hopefully, this is the last time I have to defend myself for something i didn't say and don't believe.

Btw, Trump ties are on sale this week.

(Presidential Seal golf tees are sold out)
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#43 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 8:06 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I would think if you wanted to impress her you'd swap frankie to the front....

I know, right?
tailgater Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 10:58 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
..

Here's what I said :
"The porn star scandal just further exposes his moral depravity. And if it were just an affair I wouldn't care. But the lying and bullying he's done to shut her up is not ok."
THAT is morally reprehensible!

(Presidential Seal golf tees are sold out)


I though the nation as a whole, and the liberal leftists like yourself in particular, would be numb by now from all the bullying and lying perpetrated on the accusers of sexual assault by now.

You're selective outrage is proving Frank's assertion that it's "Party over Country" for too many people.
HuckFinn Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 11:31 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I though the nation as a whole, and the liberal leftists like yourself in particular, would be numb by now from all the bullying and lying perpetrated on the accusers of sexual assault by now.

You're selective outrage is proving Frank's assertion that it's "Party over Country" for too many people.


Clearly you need to see all issues in terms of left or right. Not wrong or right.

The country and majority of the politicians agree that Donny is ill-equipped to do this job.

Are you a lefty? I mean lefthanded?
Cause I'm thinking the left hemisphere of your brain (the communist side but the side that controls movement on the right side) is not operational.
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#46 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 12:26 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Getting tedious amigo....

Here's what I said :
"The porn star scandal just further exposes his moral depravity. And if it were just an affair I wouldn't care. But the lying and bullying he's done to shut her up is not ok."
THAT is morally reprehensible!

Most people care about indiscretions. I really don't. Obviously they're inconsiderate to partners that are being cheated on but it's just not my business. I don't think it's any more immoral than any consensual sex. That said, please step away from that goat dude.
He is not looking happy!

So hopefully, this is the last time I have to defend myself for something i didn't say and don't believe.

Btw, Trump ties are on sale this week.

(Presidential Seal golf tees are sold out)

President Clinton narrowed his eyes and jabbed the air with his index finger yesterday declaring: “I want you to listen to me…. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
“I never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never,” Clinton said at the end of a news conference on child care, as his wife pursed her lips and solemnly looked on. “These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people.”

Sounds like lying and covering up to me, and the bullying by both Bill and Hilldog was pretty much nonstop during the investigation
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/clinton-denies-affair-monica-lewinsky-1998-article-1.2086468



Pretty detailed breakdown of the Starr investigation and the lies and deceit used by Slick Willy to cover up the Lewinsky affair.......I don't care about the affairs, but like you said the "moral depravity of the affair(cigar penetration), and the lies and bullying to shut her up was "MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE".....it can't be morally reprehensible in one case and not in the other Think

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/1998/09/14/affair.state.html

I'm not condoning one or the other, merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement
tailgater Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 12:34 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Clearly you need to see all issues in terms of left or right. Not wrong or right.

The country and majority of the politicians agree that Donny is ill-equipped to do this job.

Are you a lefty? I mean lefthanded?
Cause I'm thinking the left hemisphere of your brain (the communist side but the side that controls movement on the right side) is not operational.


There you go again.
Trying to think.

A for effort. Despite the results.
tailgater Offline
#48 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 12:46 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Clearly you need to see all issues in terms of left or right. Not wrong or right.

The country and majority of the politicians agree that Donny is ill-equipped to do this job.

.


Quips aside.

Trump may have porked a slut.
That would be poor form in my opinion even if he wasn't married at the time.
My sense of right versus wrong has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. It's how you apply it.
It was YOU who used a sexual liaison rumor as the litmus test for morality. And you did it only now. Not before with other presidents. Only now. Because of politics. Because you wouldn't care if all of this turned out to be a bold faced lie. You would still consider Trump the bad guy.
All I did was point out your flawed argument. Now you're accusing me of playing politics.

As for "the country and a majority of politicians"?
Do you feel safe and secure in a consensus? Seems to be the protocol of today's liberals.
It means nothing.
And by nothing, I mean nothing at all. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero.

Last time I checked we have elections in America.
If you win the election you get to serve your term.

Stop bellyaching like all the other wilted flowers and melting snowflakes. Deal with your feelings.
Yesterday was national women's day. Stop be disrespectful by being such a whiny b!tch.
HuckFinn Offline
#49 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 5:41 PM EST
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You're defending a pos

And no offense, but it's a chitty defense. Cause there is no real defense.

I know I know, but he's our legitimately elected pos




Carry on....
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#50 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 9:22 PM EST
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Clinton was impeached, if I recall, by a GOP majority House...so his presidency will be forever tainted in history...the vote was nearly along party lines...Dem majority Senate voted to acquit

same cons who demanded that Clinton be removed from office are silent today...partisan politics...if we were consistent, Trump should be impeached...
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