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DrMaddVibe Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 8:49 AM EST
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https://www.eff.org/cases/fbi-geek-squad-informants-foia-suit


Where's that confounded Jones?

"The relationship goes back at least ten years, according to documents released as a result of the lawsuit."

http://www.zdnet.com/article/new-documents-reveal-fbi-paid-geek-squad-repair-staff-as-informants/

A "weaponized" FBI???

How could that happen?
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 3:50 PM EST
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Sounds similar to what happened a few decades ago, when local photo film developers would notify law enforcement if images they came across in their work showed evidence of crimes, including child pornography and child abuse.
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 4:12 PM EST
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I wouldn't call it weaponized unless they targeted certain individuals. I think that's taking fact and trying to force feed it in to an existing opinion.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/07/591698708/fbi-used-paid-informants-on-best-buys-geek-squad-to-flag-child-pornography


The real crime is using the geek squad.
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 4:29 PM EST
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So are you advocating that child porn on a computer shouldn't be reported? I don't think an expectation of privacy on a computer should be expected when the computer is in for repair. The issue to me is the payment.
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 4:38 PM EST
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I take issue with it if they actively looked for it.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 5:07 PM EST
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Freaks... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 5:13 PM EST
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TW, I agree.
victor809 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 5:16 PM EST
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Honestly i thibk youre legally required to report it aren't you?
Speyside Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 5:53 PM EST
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I memory serves me right that is the law in about 20 states.
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 8:14 PM EST
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much like teachers and others required to report what appears to be child abuse.
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 8:15 PM EST
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Even in Alabama?
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 8:32 PM EST
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Gee, the FBI should use this idea to help stop mass shooters.. Oh, wait, never mind.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 8:34 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Gee, the FBI should use this idea to help stop mass shooters.. Oh, wait, never mind.


Thank you Gene.
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 8:38 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Gee, the FBI should use this idea to help stop mass shooters.. Oh, wait, never mind.

are you saying they should at least have the same level of records as Divisions of Motor Vehicles?

Actually, a quandry for me.
delta1 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 10:42 PM EST
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head spinning...


never in my lifetime did I think that libs would be defending the FBI in the face of con denunciations of the "nation's top law enforcement agency" (quoted phrase used to be a proud slogan spoken by cons) ...


since when did child porn... same category as pedophilia...become a much lower priority than politics...
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 10:50 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
head spinning...


never in my lifetime did I think that libs would be defending the FBI in the face of con denunciations of the "nation's top law enforcement agency" (quoted phrase used to be a proud slogan spoken by cons) ...


since when did child porn... same category as pedophilia...become a much lower priority than politics...

since that well known libturd J. Edgar Hoover ran the Bureau.


The young 'uns will believe that.
Gene363 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Mar 8 2018, 11:58 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
are you saying they should at least have the same level of records as Divisions of Motor Vehicles?

Actually, a quandry for me.


No, all the data in the world is worthless if you don't act. People saw something, they reported something and the FBI did nothing.

BTW, if you're angling for some national registry of firearms, you can buy, sell, trade and posses all the vehicles you desire without ever registering them. You and unlicensed children can even drive them on private property.
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 8:04 AM EST
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I’m against a registry but that’s a losing argument in so many ways.

Quality improvement. You learn from what went right and what didn’t. You don’t hold out what didn’t as a reason to do nothing or in this case a reason to not do what should have happened.

This was a case of one. The it wouldn’t have stopped this case defense is weak anywhere but in a political conversation because it lacks logic and truly intellectual honesty.

I love my guns. I don’t want to register them because I don’t want to get targeted for having them by this government or the one in place 100 years from now.

I also can’t drive my cars on my 1/8th acre lot so guess I need to register them. By the way even if I do only drive them on my 1/8th acre lot I need to register them to pay yearly state taxes.

Wouldn’t it suck if we had to pay a yearly gun tax to fund benefits for families effected by gun violence? You wouldn’t technically have to register your guns but years down the road there could be tax implications.

Let’s find the nih and cdc and allow them to study the issue. That ban shows lack of logic and a dogma. I keep hearing this or that won’t help anything while we make sure it’s not proveable either way. Dogma.

I know I know science and scientific methods are bad, tainted and political thus ignoring them or eliminating them are the only logical solutions. Also institutions of higher learningvare commie lib factories so really those with less education are the smarter ones statistically speaking.
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 8:16 AM EST
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But to the op it’s easy to me. Geek squad or anyone doing similar work would only be looking at what they need to to complete their work. Need to know. They should not be investigating. If in the normal course of work they see illegal activity they should report it. If they don’t they are in a perilous position.
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#20 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 8:47 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
No, all the data in the world is worthless if you don't act. People saw something, they reported something and the FBI did nothing.

BTW, if you're angling for some national registry of firearms, you can buy, sell, trade and posses all the vehicles you desire without ever registering them. You and unlicensed children can even drive them on private property.

the truth is I'm not for it, but thought I'd cause a stir.

I believe I have told this before, but my father, a Kennedy Lib, had a German pistol he brought back from WWII. For some reason it could never fire.

I was pretty young, early '60's, when the city in which we lived asked all residents with guns to please register at City Hall, some seemingly innocuous reason was given...

My father refused, even though his gun was disabled, and explained to me that though we had a "friendly" government at the time, things change and one day they could use the voluntary list to confiscate everyone's guns. He made the danger of that event pretty clear in the big picture of America in light of what he had witnessed just 20 years earlier...and what his parents and grandparents had lived through in Europe.

The lesson stuck with me.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 8:54 AM EST
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It’s a good lesson.

And it’s a right not a privilege.
bgz Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 9:08 AM EST
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People still use geek squad?

That's like the bottom of the barrel IT guys, no idea why anyone would pay that band of idiots to snoop through their computer.
Gene363 Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 10:32 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
the truth is I'm not for it, but thought I'd cause a stir.

I believe I have told this before, but my father, a Kennedy Lib, had a German pistol he brought back from WWII. For some reason it could never fire.

I was pretty young, early '60's, when the city in which we lived asked all residents with guns to please register at City Hall, some seemingly innocuous reason was given...

My father refused, even though his gun was disabled, and explained to me that though we had a "friendly" government at the time, things change and one day they could use the voluntary list to confiscate everyone's guns. He made the danger of that event pretty clear in the big picture of America in light of what he had witnessed just 20 years earlier...and what his parents and grandparents had lived through in Europe.

The lesson stuck with me.


Exactly. And in dark future you go to the store, you buy a 9mm bore brush and an hour later the gun police show up because you don't have a 9mm pistol registered. If I was the FBI I would be developing all sorts of databases it is an excellent investigative tool, but an anathema to basis of the Second Amendment.

As for the pistol, it might be time to get it fixed, guns like all machines, keep better with occasional use.
Gene363 Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 10:33 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It’s a good lesson.

And it’s a right not a privilege.


Exactly.
Gene363 Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 10:49 AM EST
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Getting back to the original post, having the Geek Squad looking for crime isn't all that crazy. I've worked on a lot of computers over the years and I have friends and acquaintances that repair computers professionally, you would be amazed/appalled by some of the things people look at or save on their computer.

It's the same for used computers, I used to buy and sell computers and computer parts, especially from government auctions. Several years ago I bought a used state (not saying which) computer that had a multiple year list of police academy graduates, their scores, names, addresses and Social Security numbers. For about one second I considered telling the state to be more careful cleaning computers they sold, then I came to my senses figuring I'd be arrested for having that information so the state could avoid responsibility. I used a disk wipe application to make the data unretrievable.
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#26 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 12:04 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:


It's the same for used computers, I used to buy and sell computers and computer parts, especially from government auctions. Several years ago I bought a used state (not saying which) computer that had a multiple year list of police academy graduates, their scores, names, addresses and Social Security numbers. For about one second I considered telling the state to be more careful cleaning computers they sold, then I came to my senses figuring I'd be arrested for having that information so the state could avoid responsibility. I used a disk wipe application to make the data unretrievable.


Not just limited to computers. Most modern photocopiers for the last 20 years or so have had hard disks in them for buffering jobs as do some printers. They typically default to "auto-erase", but that can be changed in settings to allow job recall. Even if job save is not enabled, for "erase" it's just like most computers where the file table entry is erased, but itself isn't removed, it just sits on the disk until it gets overwritten. I've heard of at least one or two stories from former co-workers of copiers/printers from DA, Public Defender, Courts, Probation, Police etc... being sold as surplus or returned from lease with the disks installed with job-save left on and the disk full of confidential legal information. Other times, the disk isn't wiped, so an over the counter recovery program could easily be used to retrieve the data. What's funny is that these agencies would typically pull their hard disks before sending a computer out to pasture, but totally forgot about the printers and copiers.
Gene363 Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Mar 9 2018, 12:42 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Not just limited to computers. Most modern photocopiers for the last 20 years or so have had hard disks in them for buffering jobs as do some printers. They typically default to "auto-erase", but that can be changed in settings to allow job recall. Even if job save is not enabled, for "erase" it's just like most computers where the file table entry is erased, but itself isn't removed, it just sits on the disk until it gets overwritten. I've heard of at least one or two stories from former co-workers of copiers/printers from DA, Public Defender, Courts, Probation, Police etc... being sold as surplus or returned from lease with the disks installed with job-save left on and the disk full of confidential legal information. Other times, the disk isn't wiped, so an over the counter recovery program could easily be used to retrieve the data. What's funny is that these agencies would typically pull their hard disks before sending a computer out to pasture, but totally forgot about the printers and copiers.



Oh yeah! d'oh! And probably a few butt prints on those copiers. Shame on you On the bright side, some Federal sights are aware of copier hard drives, they are removed and mechanically destroyed along with hard drives from all leased computers.
MACS Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Mar 11 2018, 10:05 PM EST
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I'm finding it difficult to be outraged that the FBI used any means necessary to target pedos.

Good.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Mar 12 2018, 7:48 AM EST
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If anyone thinks they're only targeting pedos...it fits the narrative.

There's no recidivism with them and they should be put down like rabid animals.

The tentacles of or government spying on its citizens is enlarging.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Mar 12 2018, 7:53 AM EST
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/11/tim-berners-lee-tech-companies-regulations
frankj1 Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Mar 12 2018, 8:23 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
If anyone thinks they're only targeting pedos...it fits the narrative.

There's no recidivism with them and they should be put down like rabid animals.

The tentacles of or government spying on its citizens is enlarging.

not a recent phenomena.
many many decades of precedence.
even administrations each of us thought we liked.
delta1 Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Mar 12 2018, 5:20 PM EST
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yep...we grew up wondering if the CIA was gonna put LSD in our water...
MACS Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Mar 12 2018, 11:19 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
yep...we grew up wondering if the CIA was gonna put LSD in our water...


That would be an improvement to CA's water.
delta1 Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2018, 5:27 PM EST
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magic colors...
Abrignac Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 9:27 PM EST
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About 20 years ago I worked for a contractor who had maintenance contracts on Capital Hill. I had Monday AM service call about a printer not printing. Don't remember the specifics but when I resolved the issue, about 50 porno pics came (pun intended) came out of the printer. Seems they were stuck in the Que and started printing when I resolved the issue. The Staff Director asked me if I knew which computer sent the jobs to the printer. Turns out the member (no pun intended) had jammed the printer over the weekend.
frankj1 Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 9:35 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
About 20 years ago I worked for a contractor who had maintenance contracts on Capital Hill. I had Monday AM service call about a printer not printing. Don't remember the specifics but when I resolved the issue, about 50 porno pics came (pun intended) came out of the printer. Seems they were stuck in the Que and started printing when I resolved the issue. The Staff Director asked me if I knew which computer sent the jobs to the printer. Turns out the member (no pun intended) had jammed the printer over the weekend.

they for sale?
Abrignac Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 9:37 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
they for sale?



hehehe
frankj1 Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 9:41 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
hehehe

I take that as a yes.

I need some hot pics of GOP women for my porn collection....HA!
Abrignac Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 9:46 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I take that as a yes.

I need some hot pics of GOP women for my porn collection....HA!


It's been so long ago I don't remember who it was let alone which he/she was a member of.

BTW, what do you have planned 5/18/2018 - 5/21/2018? There are still 31 spots available on the Endeavor. Plus, Victor is a probable.
frankj1 Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 9:59 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
It's been so long ago I don't remember who it was let alone which he/she was a member of.

BTW, what do you have planned 5/18/2018 - 5/21/2018? There are still 31 spots available on the Endeavor. Plus, Victor is a probable.

aw man...I so would want to. Some of my favorite people, including Victor, pretty sure all know stuff, too.

I'm just not there, I'm winning when we can go out to dinner...it looks better when I'm here typing. More time needed, save me a seat for further down the road. One of ya call me, OK?
I love ya bro., as you know.
Abrignac Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2018, 11:40 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
aw man...I so would want to. Some of my favorite people, including Victor, pretty sure all know stuff, too.

I'm just not there, I'm winning when we can go out to dinner...it looks better when I'm here typing. More time needed, save me a seat for further down the road. One of ya call me, OK?
I love ya bro., as you know.



Will do frank. It takes time. Here if you need me.
victor809 Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2018, 12:12 AM EST
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Gonna leave me to fend for myself with miscreants like Anthony and Shawn eh frank?
frankj1 Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2018, 7:30 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Gonna leave me to fend for myself with miscreants like Anthony and Shawn eh frank?

I have faith in you.
Al will stir the pot and Joel will be original...
delta1 Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2018, 1:14 PM EST
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I'm good in da kitchen...
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