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Actually Protecting Schools and Churches Vs Talking
Gene363 Offline
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Protecting our schools and churches

Our safety policy does not match our rhetoric. We say that innocent lives are important. We may even write laws, regulations, rules and procedures that could protect the innocent. Words are notoriously cheap. All too often that isn’t how we act. Now is the time to measure the difference between what we do and what we know we should do.

Safety Audit- That is why it is important to start with a safety audit that determines the truth on the ground. Ask your local school board or the governing body of your church when they last had a safety audit of their campus. What were the results, and were the audit recommendations implemented?
Door locks- Is there a plan to control access to the campus? Do strangers have to enter the building through the main office? Can teachers secure their classrooms? Can staff secure their offices?
Windows and doors- Have they upgraded the building with shatterproof glass and door panels?
Fire alarms- Murderers are using the fire alarm to flush innocent victims into the open where they can be attacked. Is there a plan in place to verify the emergency before the alarm sounds in the building?
Emergency response drills with LEO and medical responders- Times have changed. We don’t sit back and wait as people die inside a building. Ask for an emergency response drill. Have the drill evaluated by safety experts who know best practice.
Armed officers and armed school staff- We need an armed responder in every building. We want to have a responder on every hallway. We don’t always get what we want. Use trained volunteers if you can’t afford enough armed officers.
Are your people protected all the time? We want to provide security whenever the building is open and occupied. Are your people protected as they travel on official outings or to attend events?
First aid kits and emergency trauma training- The goal is to keep injured people alive until the scene is secure and EMTs take over care. The kit should include compression bandages, tourniquets and chest seals.
Medical training for school staff, including evacuation- A first aid kit is only as good as the person using it. For each armed responder, we’d ideally have several additional staff members who are trained in emergency trauma care. Implementing an armed responder program might take months. Consider that you can provide medical training to school staff this weekend.
How are harassment and threats reported and acted on? How does the staff communicate about suspicious activity? How should the community contact the church or school with their concerns?
Are you following the rules you’ve already set down?
The greatest of these is all of them together.
The greatest pitfall is in waiting for the perfect plan before taking action. Just because you can’t staff your pre-school with volunteer secret service agents is no reason to delay. You assume a known risk every day when you fail to protect your people. Putting a flawed and incomplete plan in place today will reduce that risk. Implement an imperfect and affordable plan today..and improve on it tomorrow. All plans are incomplete. Every security officer will tell you there is more he wants to work on to make his people safer.

As surprising as this claim may sound, armed and trained staff can cost a school or church almost nothing. Act now.
DrafterX Offline
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I was in a conversation with a couple friends who were part of a security team at their churches.. they said it was kinda weird packing in church but they got used to it... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I was in a conversation with a couple friends who were part of a security team at their churches.. they said it was kinda weird packing in church but they got used to it... Mellow


Sad but true, 100x for schools, but what more valuable than our children.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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My eldest sister told me last week that she just found out that her church in upper state NY has a security team. Church members with CCW permits who sit in the back and foyer, and monitor all unlocked entrances during the service. My sister was at one time extremely anti-gun. She tells me she now fells far more secure knowing the church is protected by members carrying firearms. Heck, she even mentioned about the possibility of getting her own gun. It totally shocked me.

David (dpnewell)
DrafterX Offline
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Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks... Mellow
fiddler898 Offline
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There are many ways of keeping churches safe from intruders who might mean harm. We have studied and implemented many. We will never permit nor employ guns.
DrafterX Offline
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Do you search the congregation as they enter..?? Huh
SmokeMonkey Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks... Mellow


A subtle movie quote, but one that hits hard.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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fiddler898 wrote:
There are many ways of keeping churches safe from intruders who might mean harm. We have studied and implemented many. We will never permit nor employ guns.


...that you are aware of.

David (dpnewell)
jjanecka Offline
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Fix the millions of people that die to abortion every year before fixing gun rights.
fiddler898 Offline
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
...that you are aware of.

David (dpnewell)

I take your point David, but believe me, I know my congregation.
usafvet509 Offline
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I'd laugh my azz off to find out that several of mr anti gun preacher's church members are indeed packing lawfully
DrafterX Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
Fix the millions of people that die to abortion every year before fixing gun rights.


You mean like a free gun with every abortion..?? Huh
fiddler898 Offline
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usafvet509 wrote:
I'd laugh my azz off to find out that several of mr anti gun preacher's church members are indeed packing lawfully

I’d guess this is because you either can’t read or can’t comprehend what is written. You figure out which. Go ahead, take your time...
bgz Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
Fix the millions of people that die to abortion every year before fixing gun rights.


Had to look up that "millions of abortions" thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States

Looks like the number is steadily going down.

I think we should encourage more abortions to get that number back up to where it was in the 90s :D
RMAN4443 Offline
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usafvet509 wrote:
I'd laugh my azz off to find out that several of mr anti gun preacher's church members are indeed packing lawfully

Why would that make you laugh your azz off? I don't get the joke.....Anxious
dstieger Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks... Mellow



And sometimes, there are simply too many
frankj1 Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Why would that make you laugh your azz off? I don't get the joke.....Anxious

Don't worry...he comes by once a year to dump poison.
Poor guy doesn't know how to have friends that disagree with him.
bgz Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
Don't worry...he comes by once a year to dump poison.
Poor guy doesn't know how to have friends that disagree with him.


I used to come by and troll people daily...

I'm older and wiser now, and only provide my services bimonthly.
RMAN4443 Offline
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bgz wrote:
I used to come by and troll people daily...

I'm older and wiser now, and only provide my services bimonthly.

Yeah, but usually I get what your saying.....Anxious
bgz Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Yeah, but usually I get what your saying.....Anxious


I was out sick all last week, so I'm probably still a little groggy from the meds :/
ZRX1200 Offline
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Alan, are you controlling entrance and exits?
fiddler898 Offline
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Absolutely Jamie. We make certain that all people are welcome, that we are accessible to all, and that no one is turned away.

😇
ZRX1200 Offline
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Good to hear!
RMAN4443 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
Don't worry...he comes by once a year to dump poison.
Poor guy doesn't know how to have friends that disagree with him.

It does seem that way. ..
tailgater Offline
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When all our schools and churches are secured the murderers will move on to malls and theaters.

Carry. Don't carry.

I'm sicking of looking for solutions when we fail to enforce the laws already in place.

Maybe they won't be enough. But we'll never know until we try.
And then we can make new laws.

delta1 Offline
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What's to stop an armed volunteer protector from getting pizzed about something and ...
DrafterX Offline
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Other armed volunteer protectors... They watch each other too... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Other armed volunteer protectors... They watch each other too... Mellow

we had a teacher go off already.
Better they teach.
frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
When all our schools and churches are secured the murderers will move on to malls and theaters.

Carry. Don't carry.

I'm sicking of looking for solutions when we fail to enforce the laws already in place.

Maybe they won't be enough. But we'll never know until we try.
And then we can make new laws.


been happening right along.
just that this thread was limited to schools and churches.
MACS Offline
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Adopt the boyscouts motto... be prepared.
MACS Offline
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delta1 wrote:
What's to stop an armed volunteer protector from getting pizzed about something and ...


What if elephants were birds and could fly? You'd be a little more worried about bird sh*t... wouldn't you?
frankj1 Offline
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MACS wrote:
What if elephants were birds and could fly? You'd be a little more worried about bird sh*t... wouldn't you?

oddly, that makes sense to me.
should I be concerned?
DrafterX Offline
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A seagull crapped on Victor when we was out to sea... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
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Delta...obviously we'll make another law that criminals respect.
teedubbya Offline
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Yea we should get rid of all of our laws and stuff since criminals don't respect them
ZRX1200 Offline
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Except those good ones that criminals are afraid of.
teedubbya Offline
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Yea we need more criminals involved in the process to make sure
tailgater Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
A seagull crapped on Victor when we was out to sea... Mellow


That was seagull crap?

I heard he blew a seal.


DrafterX Offline
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There was a bunch of them around... Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
There was a bunch of them around... Mellow

Seals???Anxious
bgz Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Seals???Anxious


No... seal blowers.
RMAN4443 Offline
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bgz wrote:
No... seal blowers.

Ok, that clears that up...Anxious
qmech Offline
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My pastor carries an Uzi and calls himself Elder Bow... We call him Frank...
Q
bgz Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Ok, that clears that up...Anxious


Well... this was in California, so they're probably one of the last things to blow that doesn't have a cancer warning on it.
delta1 Offline
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I dunno...what's more likely to happen...a man who carries a gun to church getting upset about something and shooting people he knows ... or an elephant flying and directing excrement at people...



Here's something MACS and I totally agree about...wish we could blow (away) seals...
frankj1 Offline
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I heard Dumbo could fly.
So it could happen.
teedubbya Offline
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Dang you and tail must have really have had a falling out if you are resorting to name calling
RMAN4443 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I heard Dumbo could fly.
So it could happen.

Yeah, but Dumbo and his Mom never pooped or did the pee-pee.....Anxious
RMAN4443 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Dang you and tail must have really have had a falling out if you are resorting to name calling

It doesn't just fall out, someone has to.....never mind, I forgot we were talking about the Tripod...Anxious
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