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bs_kwaj Offline
#1 Posted:
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A friend of mine out here has a kid that is getting ready to go to college.

They recently went to the states and visited 8 schools.

She said that at 6 of the schools, during the orientations, the 'students' involved in the orientations all had to say what they identify as.

This is really, really sad.... but mostly it is so STUPID!!!

Just my 2ยข...

Excuse me... you want to identify as something? How about dumbazz!!

d'oh!
Gene363 Offline
#2 Posted:
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SMDH Not talking
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted:
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Thanks Obama... Not talking
dkeage Offline
#4 Posted:
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"They"

Brick wall
Buckwheat Offline
#5 Posted:
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WGAFF?

Is your identity threatened &/or that fragile? Cry Baby Cry
bgz Offline
#6 Posted:
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Yes, my identity is being threatened daily because I identify as a man...

As a tech guy, the only thing I got going for me is I'm not white!

My personal pronoun is he, or him... I don't have anything fancy like... zit, zir, zoro, or it.

Therefore according to those who would install such a policy, I'm a racist, insecure, overly-masculine azzhole :/

Well, at least they got masculine azzhole right.
tailgater Offline
#7 Posted:
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Buckwheat wrote:
WGAFF?

Is your identity threatened &/or that fragile? Cry Baby Cry



So we're only able to comment on absurdities when they threaten us in some way?

Didn't know that.

Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
So we're only able to comment on absurdities when they threaten us in some way?

Didn't know that.



For the most part, everyone here is entitled to express their opinions. Comment all you want. Doesn't mean that some of us will not also express our opinion in opposition to or point out the absurdity of these opinions. It's all part of the give and take here. fog
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted:
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When I was young I thought the identities thing was silly.
I didn't care how people were going to self identify because I would identify them how I thought they should be categorized.

Then years went by and I realized a few things...
1 - it doesn't harm me or take any effort from me to simply identify someone as whatever they ask.
2 - refusing to is just being a d1ck. If your parents named you susan when you were born, but you asked me to call you jenny.... why does it matter to me?

If it's that important to someone that they be identified as X that they will go out of their way to request that I do so, then it'd be ridiculously immature of me to say no simply because it doesn't fit my experience in the world.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#10 Posted:
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Hi victor... I know you've always called me opel and known me as a straight white man, but I've recently discovered I more accurately identify as an albino alopecian who is a fluid-gendered Cephalopod, and a holocaust surviving vietnam-veteran Goddess... you can call me your lord and savior... thank you for being mature enough to comply with my view of myself...
Buckwheat Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Hi victor... I know you've always called me opel and known me as a straight white man, but I've recently discovered I more accurately identify as an albino alopecian who is a fluid-gendered Cephalopod, and a holocaust surviving vietnam-veteran Goddess... you can call me your lord and savior... thank you for being mature enough to comply with my view of myself...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_KOpJ2bE3o
RMAN4443 Offline
#12 Posted:
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I feel pretty, oh so pretty,
I feel pretty and witty and ghey......Anxious
bgz Offline
#13 Posted:
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Ok R. McStuffins (I got 2 girls) ...


Knowing the origin of that, your post in itself was pretty ghey.
Speyside Offline
#14 Posted:
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I have a white friend who self identifies as black. But that is a pigment of her imagination.
Mr. Jones Offline
#15 Posted:
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#1. "OP" RESPONSE....

SIGH...

OH THE POOR MILLENIALS @ AWAY TO COLLEGE with helicopter cell phone & skype parenting


ORIENTATION BULLCRAP....,

Circa ...the fall of 1974.., two H.S. friends I knew , join the Marines...
They join under the "Recruiting platform of the time period"

Called the "Buddy System".. ,

They arrive @
Marine Boot camp ... Paris Island or Quantico...
They ALL GET OFF THE BUS...

Boot camp Drill Sargent gets the clip board and reads the names off...along side these two names it says
"So and So joined under the buddy system"...

Sarge takes one look at that and pulls out a pair of HANDCUFFS and cuffs the two guys together...starts calling them queers and they go through boot camp handcuffed together ( not sure about the real time amount?? A few weeks or the entire boot camp?)...sleep , eat, piss, CRAP, shower, dress, march, exercised.... totally handcuffed together...

That was "Orientation" back in 1974....

I doubt the MILLENIALS of today coulda' handled that
REAL ORIENTATION....
RMAN4443 Offline
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bgz wrote:
Ok R. McStuffins (I got 2 girls) ...


Knowing the origin of that, your post in itself was pretty ghey.

https://youtu.be/L7BQRGXFLJs


I feel Pretty is from West Side Story....Mission Accomplished...don't mock me for how I identifyShame on you

I can't help it if I woke up feeling pretty this morningAnxious
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted:
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As apposed to..?? Huh
bgz Offline
#18 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
https://youtu.be/L7BQRGXFLJs


I feel Pretty is from West Side Story....Mission Accomplished...don't mock me for how I identifyShame on you

I can't help it if I woke up feeling pretty this morningAnxious


Your lyrics match this one better pretty boy! ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCmG5tIX3bQ


Even though you singing the scene you posted is way gheyer.
RMAN4443 Offline
#19 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Your lyrics match this one better pretty boy! ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCmG5tIX3bQ


Even though you singing the scene you posted is way gheyer.

I was going for gheyer...Thanks for noticingAnxious
tailgater Offline
#20 Posted:
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Buckwheat wrote:
For the most part, everyone here is entitled to express their opinions. Comment all you want. Doesn't mean that some of us will not also express our opinion in opposition to or point out the absurdity of these opinions. It's all part of the give and take here. fog


I'm a giver.

bgz Offline
#21 Posted:
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You're in luck, we just found out RMAN is a taker.
tailgater Offline
#22 Posted:
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I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man.















And so is Lola.

frankj1 Offline
#23 Posted:
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I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body
SteveS Offline
#24 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body


another thing we have in common, Frank ...
qmech Offline
#25 Posted:
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You can almost always rely on Victor to give the party line. I have no difficulty calling Steve Sue if he wants me to. Now if he says he is a she and wishes me to use she as the pronoun to describe him, I am less apt to do so. In the end , if one wishes to call Steve, she that is ultimately your business. One does realise however that Steve really thinks he is a she. So if one is being really sincere why not date Sue,share special moments, maybe have kids? ๐Ÿ˜ If the rubber will not meet the road, maybe the rubber needs to rethink its position.

What is not often talked about but gaining some traction is the push to avoid any gender classification. In one sense I applaud this as it means the end of diversity politic and corresponding job preferences for sexual distinctions. Maybe they can extend this to race as well ๐Ÿ˜? One big sex and people living for today....Imagine!!!! Progressive left bending reality for as long as I can remember..

PS Lets not forget these folks, and other pious nanny state types, have promoted the regulation of pipe tobacco and cigars. Please stay out of my uterus!!! ๐Ÿ˜
RMAN4443 Offline
#26 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
You're in luck, we just found out RMAN is a taker.

Wrong again....I also happen to be a lesbian trapped in a mans body...and I have quite a collection of Snap-On tools if you need your nuts tightened....see, I'm more of a giver than a taker...Anxious
MACS Offline
#27 Posted:
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I identify as someone who couldn't give a sh*t less what someone "identifies" as.
victor809 Offline
#28 Posted:
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Qmech... I look at it more as a flexibility.
Why would I bother calling someone something they don't identify as? Just because we always called people by one thing or another in the past? Am I thrilled by the idea of our language morphing? No. But is it going to negatively impact me at all? Nope. And will it possibly positively impact someone else? Appears so?...

Seems like a net win for society to just call people whatever they ask to be called.
delta1 Offline
#29 Posted:
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colleges and universities that accept federal funding are required to obtain "census data" and try to do so in various forms...an applicant can simply skip those questions, however...
bgz Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Qmech... I look at it more as a flexibility.
Why would I bother calling someone something they don't identify as? Just because we always called people by one thing or another in the past? Am I thrilled by the idea of our language morphing? No. But is it going to negatively impact me at all? Nope. And will it possibly positively impact someone else? Appears so?...

Seems like a net win for society to just call people whatever they ask to be called.


I get the he and she, it's the weird ones that aren't even in the dictionary that baffle me.
bgz Offline
#31 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Wrong again....I also happen to be a lesbian trapped in a mans body...and I have quite a collection of Strap-Ons if you need your nuts lightened....see, I'm more of a giver than a taker...Anxious


I didn't need to know that.
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted:
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Yeah bgz... Those ones pissed me off at first as well. I hate it when language gets molested like that... But in the end I sort of realized that languages do change... It'll change in other ways as well.
Whistlebritches Offline
#33 Posted:
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Anybody that identifies as something other than what they were born ...........probably has some serious psychological issues.They're actually quite entertaining.......but for some reason they get quite irritated when you laugh at them,so at least attempt a straight face.
bgz Offline
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There are psychological issues for the ones that start mutilating themselves (chopping off their d*ck). It's on the same order as people that want their arm amputated because they identify as a paraplegic. I think we had a big discussion on that one before (pretty sure I got ripped on for posting that info up).
bgz Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Yeah bgz... Those ones pissed me off at first as well. I hate it when language gets molested like that... But in the end I sort of realized that languages do change... It'll change in other ways as well.


In the end, there's only 2 genders... anything other than those are just more self masturbatory #metoo crap to get offended about.

Unless you were born as a hermaphrodite or something... then I can see a case for possibly adding a third, but other than that...

Technically, they don't piss me off, I just refuse to remember them because they are bs... unless they were a prospect looking for a 6 figure deal or something, then I might remember it (I would probably have to write it down though)... But that's probably the only exception that would cause me to even attempt to remember it.
Cathcam13 Offline
#36 Posted:
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I identify as a 22 year old weight lifter, doesnโ€™t mean I still look like one, but I did, once upon a time.........Still, I didnโ€™t and donโ€™t care what anyone identifies as, you be you, and I will be me. And donโ€™t ram any leftist crud down my throat, unless you want right wing propaganda in return, and thatโ€™s only because you annoyed me. ๐Ÿ˜œ
victor809 Offline
#37 Posted:
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Meh.... I used to think that too..but if you consider development, you can identify a manner through which you could end up with variations from a binary gender....
qmech Offline
#38 Posted:
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This issue is not about a language's natural or organic evolution, which in principle I find understandable. These new notions are pressed upon us today in an organized deliberate fashion. It is hard to deny ,at least with a straight face ๐Ÿ˜, that a number of parties are ramping up the pressure promoting agendas with some good, though I believe,short-sighted intentions. At best it can be defined as a gesture of personal care. At worst it can be seen as manipulation, social experimentation, newspeak totalitarianism in action. When it comes to the worst where will it lead? I say read the literature, the opinions on all sides and come to a conclusion. So far in my research I am growing in my concern.
Let's be clear when it comes to personal interaction, I do believe it is up to the person to decide whether he or she is appropriate, out of empathy or ______. . Yet I have a hard time when others try to manipulate or push me into making that decision.

PS Words do have meanings. Words without definition are gibberish. Words represent meaning and are the building blocks of communication. Some words (meanings) are more important than others in their usage, how they shape and form culture/society etc. Words are foundational to the way we think and operate etc. The individual issues on the surface appear to be hardly worth the effort . However they can play into a larger complex motif, narrative that at times I find disconcerting.
tailgater Offline
#39 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
In the end, there's only 2 genders... anything other than those are just more self masturbatory #metoo crap to get offended about.

Unless you were born as a hermaphrodite or something... then I can see a case for possibly adding a third, but other than that...

Technically, they don't piss me off, I just refuse to remember them because they are bs... unless they were a prospect looking for a 6 figure deal or something, then I might remember it (I would probably have to write it down though)... But that's probably the only exception that would cause me to even attempt to remember it.


I met a hermaphrodite once.
She wasn't half bad...




tailgater Offline
#40 Posted:
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I'm with Victor on this one, in that I'd honor an individuals wish to be called whatever they wanted.

The problem is when people get upset if I use the wrong pronoun.
I see someone in transition, I automatically would refer to them by whatever they seem to be. So a dude wearing a dress I would likely say "him".
If I got to know the person and they requested to referred to as "she", then I'd gladly do so.

But don't blame me for not knowing up front.

And yes, I've been chastised for not knowing.
But don't blame me. And don't adopt a name like Chris or Jody. Go for something more obvious to help us out.

delta1 Offline
#41 Posted:
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like "tail"
tailgater Offline
#42 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
like "tail"


Just call me Pat.


bgz Offline
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tailgater wrote:
I'm with Victor on this one, in that I'd honor an individuals wish to be called whatever they wanted.

The problem is when people get upset if I use the wrong pronoun.
I see someone in transition, I automatically would refer to them by whatever they seem to be. So a dude wearing a dress I would likely say "him".
If I got to know the person and they requested to referred to as "she", then I'd gladly do so.

But don't blame me for not knowing up front.

And yes, I've been chastised for not knowing.
But don't blame me. And don't adopt a name like Chris or Jody. Go for something more obvious to help us out.



We're not talking about her and him, we're talking about weird ones, like zir, zim, and what ever other ones out there (don't even know if zir and zim are real, just an example).

The first link on Google when I just looked it up, there's 45 in a chart, and I don't even think that's all of them.

Edit:

This might be necessary... my search "number of weird gender pronouns"
bgz Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Meh.... I used to think that too..but if you consider development, you can identify a manner through which you could end up with variations from a binary gender....


Man, if it was just a matching set for the non-binaries... that wouldn't be so bad, but it's not.

It's a metric sh*t ton of unnecessary different pronouns.

You mentioned language evolving over time... natural language evolution will condense to smaller and smaller forms over time for efficiency, not evolve into something that's unnecessarily complex.
DrafterX Offline
#45 Posted:
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What pisses me off is when stupid parents push this decision on little kids... A 9 year old offed himself last week cause his mother told him it was ok to be gay and sent him to school in girls clothes.. guess what, he was made fun of and couldn't handle it... Now the mother is blaming the other parents... The mother should be stoned for abuse... Mellow
bgz Offline
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^Ya, the leftist PC chit these days is on a whole 'nother level of stupid.

On the current topic, and still on the topic of stupid... even most the left leaning people I know think adding a boat load of new pronouns is stupid.

If you can't have a word in mind to identify the gender of someone just by looking at them because there's more words that anyone really cares to remember, then the addition of the new language is stupid.

If you can't introduce yourself without going through your list of pronouns, then the addition of the new language is stupid.

If you have the expectation that the person you told the pronouns to of remembering it, whether it be he, she, xe, ze, they, co, xe, hy or absolutely no pronoun... and knowing going in that you'll be mad if they f*ck it up... then the addition of the new language is stupid.

Think about it, languages have evolved for several millennia to get to where they are with their simplicity... Why would anyone want to screw that up?

He, she and they are sufficient. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

And only a serious azzhole would demand that other people always refer to them without using pronouns... that's just stupid too.

Edit:

I found a list: https://goo.gl/xVZUnL

Edit #2:

Thought of a plus side to it though... it would make Scrabble more fun.
JadeRose Offline
#47 Posted:
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Didn't Johnny Cash already cover this?
bs_kwaj Offline
#48 Posted:
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I find this guy's comments interesting on the subject.... and that was 2 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXvU8DEbyAw

Beer
delta1 Offline
#49 Posted:
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to each, their own...it's less stressful that way...
DrafterX Offline
#50 Posted:
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Don't ask don't Tell... Mellow
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