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opelmanta1900 Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 11:08 AM EST
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https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/10/27/heavy-police-presence-near-synagogue-in-squirrel-hill/


PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Eight people have been killed and a number of others injured after a shooting situation at The Tree of Life Synagogue in Squirrel Hill on Saturday.


KDKA’s Meghan Schiller reports that a suspect, a white male, has surrendered. The SWAT team had been talking with the suspect, and he was crawling and injured. It is unclear the extent of his injuries.


Pittsburgh Police spokesman Chris Togneri confirmed that the suspect was in custody and three police officers had been shot. He also confirmed multiple causalities, but did not divulge exactly how many.

Police sources tell KDKA’s Andy Sheehan the gunman walked into the building and yelled, “All Jews Must die.” Sheehan confirmed that eight people were confirmed dead. Others had been shot but the extent of their injuries in unknown at this time.


Michael Eisenberg, the past President of the Tree of Life, gave KDKA a breakdown of what services regularly go on on Saturday mornings.

“At 9:45 there were three simultaneous congregations’ services that were being held,” he said. “In the main part of the building, The Tree of Life has a service that has about 40 people in it. Just below that there is a basement area where new life congregation would have been having their Shabbat service. There would have been 30-40 people. Just adjacent to tree of light’s service area a congregation was in the rabbi study room and they would have had approximately 15 people in there.

When officers arrived, the gunman reportedly shot at them, forcing officers to use their vehicles as a shield.

The shooting happened during weekly Shabbat services at the conservative Jewish Synagogue, the building was full was full of people for a Saturday service and police say they’ve received several calls from people barricaded inside the Synagogue.
frankj1 Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 12:25 PM EST
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huge upswing in on-line anti semitic attacks since the midterms started ramping up.
last two years have seen the most anti semitic activity in two decades.
white nationalists (God, how I wish Trump never used that word) have become emboldened during this political season, why not filth like the attacker in the story above?...

unless it's fake news from a Soros/Rothschild puppet master.

Sadly Joel, there are people who think my last statement is true.
tailgater Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 3:27 PM EST
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A horrible tragedy.

suggesting it has anything to do with the political environment is far fetched and counter productive.

And those are the nicest terms I can use.





rfenst Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 3:46 PM EST
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Worst attack on Jews ever in the U.S.Think
Speyside Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 3:58 PM EST
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Tail, you are wrong. That is the truth. My heart aches for these people.
zitotczito Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 4:22 PM EST
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Very sad and they are in my prayers.
Gene363 Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 5:24 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
huge upswing in on-line anti semitic attacks since the midterms started ramping up.
last two years have seen the most anti semitic activity in two decades.
white nationalists (God, how I wish Trump never used that word) have become emboldened during this political season, why not filth like the attacker in the story above?...

unless it's fake news from a Soros/Rothschild puppet master.

Sadly Joel, there are people who think my last statement is true.


Very sad news, God rest their souls.

I have noticed the same thing. Some is becuase Trump moved our embassy and since they hate Trump, they now hate Israel and all Jews. The curse of anti semitism has never really gone away. I have been astounded to find some intelligent people that were anti semitic, it's not just dumbazz neonaze nut jobs.
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 7:45 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Very sad news, God rest their souls.

I have noticed the same thing. Some is becuase Trump moved our embassy and since they hate Trump, they now hate Israel and all Jews. The curse of anti semitism has never really gone away. I have been astounded to find some intelligent people that were anti semitic, it's not just dumbazz neonaze nut jobs.

no sir, it is not limited by IQ, but I don't see anti semitic activity here being related to opposing Trump nor the embassy...that would explain an increase in Palestinian anti Israeli activity however.
Gene363 Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 10:38 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
no sir, it is not limited by IQ, but I don't see anti semitic activity here being related to opposing Trump nor the embassy...that would explain an increase in Palestinian anti Israeli activity however.


Probably felt restrained from verbalizing their hate until they contracted TDS.
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 10:56 PM EST
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Gene. I don't believe that TDS is an affliction of the left.
Speyside Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 11:19 PM EST
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Gene, it is possible that you are right, but I think it is unlikely. In my opinion Trump has spewed hate on a daily basis. By doing so I think he has empowered the crazy haters to think violence is fine. While it is true that Trump has not vilified Jewish people as far as I know, I do think the alt right crazies think he has given them justification to act out on their hatred. At this time there are no facts to prove out either of our opinions. I think we will find out in the near future.
frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 11:30 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Gene, it is possible that you are right, but I think it is unlikely. In my opinion Trump has spewed hate on a daily basis. By doing so I think he has empowered the crazy haters to think violence is fine. While it is true that Trump has not vilified Jewish people as far as I know, I do think the alt right crazies think he has given them justification to act out on their hatred. At this time there are no facts to prove out either of our opinions. I think we will find out in the near future.

I don't think Trump is anti semitic but I do think his desire to gather their support in voting booths set a tone that has exploded.
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#13 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 12:50 AM EST
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Didn't Trump just denounce violence along party lines..?? If this guy was a true Trump supporter, which it seems to be the thoughts here, would he have not done what he did..??

Blaming our President for this blows me away.. Mellow
Burner02 Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 6:45 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Didn't Trump just denounce violence along party lines..?? If this guy was a true Trump supporter, which it seems to be the thoughts here, would he have not done what he did..??

Blaming our President for this blows me away.. Mellow


Hatred drives a lot of people, just look at many on the left for the past two years.

It was reported yesterday afternoon that this individual did not vote for Trump based on info from his social media. He evidently considered Trump a globalist rather than a nationalist.



Prayers up for all affected by this horrible act.
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 9:12 AM EST
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There was a fire in some Boston apartments yesterday.
College students without a place to live.

I blame Trump.
bgz Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 9:13 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Didn't Trump just denounce violence along party lines..?? If this guy was a true Trump supporter, which it seems to be the thoughts here, would he have not done what he did..??

Blaming our President for this blows me away.. Mellow


Ya, I read on CNN this morning that he didn't vote for Trump as well. It also said he didn't like how Trump surrounded himself with Jews. Sounds like a really hateful dude.
Speyside Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 9:13 AM EST
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So with the information out there now I was clearly wrong. This guy hates Jewish people and doesn't like Trump. He is plain nuts and evil. There is no political connection. If anything he was pushed by his view that Trump supports Jewish people. Gene, you are pretty much spot on. Tail, you are right, this isn't political. The guy is extreme far right evil. I'm not even sure what to call him.
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 9:15 AM EST
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Well, if he doesn't like Trump that makes a Dem right..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 9:28 AM EST
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I heard he stripped at Hillary's birthday party.
tailgater Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 9:29 AM EST
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Oops.

That was the pipe bomber.
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#21 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 10:41 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
So with the information out there now I was clearly wrong. This guy hates Jewish people and doesn't like Trump. He is plain nuts and evil. There is no political connection. If anything he was pushed by his view that Trump supports Jewish people. Gene, you are pretty much spot on. Tail, you are right, this isn't political. The guy is extreme far right evil. I'm not even sure what to call him.


Mentally Defective.....Crazy as a loon.....FUCHed In The HEAD ?????Think
Speyside Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 10:56 AM EST
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Rick, those all work, but don't even begin to address the amount of hate, evil, racist and bigotry.
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#23 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 10:57 AM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Mentally Defective.....Crazy as a loon.....FUCHed In The HEAD ?????Think


Ditto........no reason to blame anyone else over this lunatics actions other than him.

My heart goes out to the families hurt by this monster.
Speyside Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 11:00 AM EST
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Also when I say extreme far right I am in no was associating him with conservatives. Nothing, I repeat nothing of what he is about can in any way be considered conservative.
Burner02 Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 11:05 AM EST
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Heard on one of the outlets this A.M. that there were indications that he had been listening or reading info provided by L. Farrakhan in recent months.

That will clear ones mind.
frankj1 Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 11:19 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
A horrible tragedy.

suggesting it has anything to do with the political environment is far fetched and counter productive.

And those are the nicest terms I can use.






I went with related facts about increased on line anti semitic activity.
If you took that to mean I blame Trump for the violent actions of a mentally defective lunatic, then I apologize.
Gene363 Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 12:29 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Mentally Defective.....Crazy as a loon.....FUCHed In The HEAD ?????Think


Yup
opelmanta1900 Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 1:01 PM EST
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Ya know how sometimes on here people will mess with Jones? I mean, everyone here knows there's something not right in the way of paranoid delusions with him, but it's mostly just fun and games and occasionally people play along and fan the flames...

That's how 4chan and 8ch and a number of other fringe sites very few of us visit operate all the time... Especially in regards to conspiracies involving things like the illuminati, the race of lizard people, and Jewish people... It's mostly mentally ok people playing along with a few people who are not doing so ok mentally, fanning the flames...

I've got no evidence this guy or the pipe bomb guy frequented sites like this, but my gut says it's likely... Mental illness is kinda funny until it isn't anymore... Whatever, I don't really have a point...
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#29 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 1:29 PM EST
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Theres no shortage of crazy, nor a monopoly on it.
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#30 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 5:06 PM EST
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What have you heard about the Lizard People??? I'm only asking for a friend...Anxious
frankj1 Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 6:08 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
What have you heard about the Lizard People??? I'm only asking for a friend...Anxious

I appreciate that
RMAN4443 Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 6:41 PM EST
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Way to keep a secret frank....now everyone knows I was asking for you....Anxious
RMAN4443 Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 6:43 PM EST
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ooops, sorry....Shhh
frankj1 Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 7:06 PM EST
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I thought it was a pm!
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#35 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 7:57 PM EST
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All's I can say is...

If I was a cop or a SWAT TEAM MEMBER and one of these way to numerous lately Jack off wack jobs raised his mits in surrender.... with victims all over the place....

Shhhhhiiiiiitttttt....

I'd pop the douche bag with a triple tap to the noggin or sternum and say the sun was in my eyes...or there was a glare in the scope...

No way that **** would walk out upright or breathing and skate free "for a trial" after killing innocent people,..
Speyside Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 10:27 PM EST
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Jonsey, I think that is how a lot of decent people feel.
tailgater Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 8:59 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I went with related facts about increased on line anti semitic activity.
If you took that to mean I blame Trump for the violent actions of a mentally defective lunatic, then I apologize.


My man.
Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness.
Nevermind that there is nothing to apologize for.

I assumed you meant Trump when you said "political environment".

How could I know that you meant the left wing media driven frenzy?

Apology accepted.
Herfing
tailgater Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 9:01 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Ya know how sometimes on here people will mess with Jones? I mean, everyone here knows there's something not right in the way of paranoid delusions with him, but it's mostly just fun and games and occasionally people play along and fan the flames...

That's how 4chan and 8ch and a number of other fringe sites very few of us visit operate all the time... Especially in regards to conspiracies involving things like the illuminati, the race of lizard people, and Jewish people... It's mostly mentally ok people playing along with a few people who are not doing so ok mentally, fanning the flames...

I've got no evidence this guy or the pipe bomb guy frequented sites like this, but my gut says it's likely... Mental illness is kinda funny until it isn't anymore... Whatever, I don't really have a point...


I have a point.
But you can't see it when I wear my hat.
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#39 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 9:21 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Jonsey, I think that is how a lot of decent people feel.



I'm somewhat less than decent...but I sorta wish Stephen Paddock were alive today
opelmanta1900 Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 9:51 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Jonsey, I think that is how a lot of decent people feel.

Think I'm confused... Is it morally wrong to kill someone in anger or not? I thought we were upset with this guy cuz he killed a bunch of people and apparently had no reason other than anger... But now we're wishing we could kill this guy cuz we're angry?
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#41 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 9:54 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Think I'm confused... Is it morally wrong to kill someone in anger or not? I thought we were upset with this guy cuz he killed a bunch of people and apparently had no reason other than anger... But now we're wishing we could kill this guy cuz we're angry?


What's confusing? As long as WE get to decide, it's all good.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 10:14 AM EST
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I guess the "we" is my problem... What if "we" get headed up by a Stephen Pollock or an Adolph Hitler? If "we" are the ones deciding right and wrong won't "we" just eventually decide that nothing we want to do is wrong and everything we do want to do is right?
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#43 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 10:51 AM EST
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Is feeling the same as doing? There is nothing ambiguous in what I said. The guy murdered people, very different than feeling like murdering him with no intent to act on that impulse.
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#44 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 10:53 AM EST
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Also, if a LEO had killed him it would have been a justifiable homicide, not murder. So in this instance kill and murder are not the same thing.
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#45 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 10:57 AM EST
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When has kill and murder ever been the same thing buddy?
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#46 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 11:12 AM EST
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Never, but Opel seems to equate kill to murder unless I misunderstood him. I know I said kill, perhaps murder would have been the accurate thing to say.
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#47 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 11:24 AM EST
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Jones described a situation of murder... Police shooting a person who is unarmed and has his hands raised in surrender... That is not justifiable homicide... It's murder... You felt like murdering, spey... Don't be ashamed, embrace it...
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#48 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 12:12 PM EST
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2 separate statements Opel. He was shot by cops and he was shooting at cops. If he had been killed by the cops shooting at him that would have been justifiable homicide. I was not referring to Jonseys scenario then. Also stop thinking you know what I mean. There is a large difference between doing something and wanting to do something but never acting on it. Do you think there should be thought police?
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#49 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 12:29 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Think I'm confused... Is it morally wrong to kill someone in anger or not? I thought we were upset with this guy cuz he killed a bunch of people and apparently had no reason other than anger... But now we're wishing we could kill this guy cuz we're angry?


Not "cuz we're angry".

It's cuz they deserve it.
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#50 Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018, 12:29 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
2 separate statements Opel. He was shot by cops and he was shooting at cops. If he had been killed by the cops shooting at him that would have been justifiable homicide. I was not referring to Jonseys scenario then. Also stop thinking you know what I mean. There is a large difference between doing something and wanting to do something but never acting on it. Do you think there should be thought police?



No, I think you should be allowed to be as murderous in your mind as you want to be...
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