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Trump Prepares Papers to Declare a National Emergency...
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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 9:17 AM EST
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... to build his wall.
Discuss!
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 9:21 AM EST
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Pelosi sucks... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 9:38 AM EST
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But he does this I hope he grabs 250 billion... Mellow
rfenst Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 9:47 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
But he does this I hope he grabs 250 billion... Mellow

Great. More national debt than we need for his project.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 9:49 AM EST
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Rocket dogs won't be cheap.. still some R&D to do... Mellow
rfenst Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 9:54 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Rocket dogs won't be cheap.. still some R&D to do... Mellow


Huh?
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 10:20 AM EST
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Well, I could prolly do it for the 60 billion Congress already approved under Obama... Mellow
rfenst Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 10:30 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, I could prolly do it for the 60 billion Congress already approved under Obama... Mellow


But, is this all really a national emergency?
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 10:30 AM EST
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Yes.. we need to crush the enemies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of their wimmens... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 10:32 AM EST
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I am opposed to declaring an emergency for a number of reasons, not least of which is setting a bad precedent. I am ignorant as to the financial machinations, but the money would certainly have to come from somewhere. Some program funded for different, specific use, thereby subverting Congress' role in appropriating money.

If such a decision were determined to be solid enough to survive inevitable legal challenges, maybe it could be a way to get us through the current clusterfluck we are in....Trump gets to claim his wall....Dems get to claim they did everything possible to deny him, and we can get the government open. On the whole, I'm opposed, but I can see why it might happen.
Gene363 Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 11:20 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
But, is this all really a national emergency?


Yes, for the federal employees not getting paid. I say hire them to build the wall.
delta1 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 12:28 PM EST
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don't have to declare a "national emergency" to do that...just agree to sign a CR, the same one Trump said he would sign before this "emergency," and Congress will tee it up...

We are going down a slippery slope if we let this become the new normal in budget requests and negotiations by POTUS...next, it could be a demand for $10 Billion for giant subsidies to fund green and sustainable energy initiatives to combat climate change by a Dem POTUS, or "I'll own a shutdown"...

see where this could go?
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 12:43 PM EST
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Yes.. we could have a wall .. Mellow
delta1 Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 12:47 PM EST
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I could go for sea walls to protect parts of our country along the coast that face real threats of flooding from ever stronger hurricanes...
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 12:49 PM EST
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Or more concrete sound barrier walls along da highways.. how many trillions have been spent on those..?? Huh
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#16 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 12:59 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
I could go for walls to protect parts of our country along the border that face real threats of floods of ever stronger caravans of immigrants...


I'm with you....Applause Applause
delta1 Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 1:02 PM EST
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wall------->Brick wall <--------caravan of immigrants
frankj1 Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 1:50 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Yes.. we need to crush the enemies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of their wimmens... Mellow

I got all tingly!
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 2:55 PM EST
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Laugh






looks like Trump caved but has not ruled out the National Emergency thing... Dems got 3 weeks to keep it from happening... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 4:01 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Laugh


looks like Trump caved ... Mellow

Wow...twice in one week....the old man is getting soft
victor809 Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 4:10 PM EST
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Dems don't have to do anything in 3 weeks.

As I've said before. Dems are doing their job, just as trumpenfeurher is.

If he doesn't have enough people to build a wall, he doesn't get a wall. He can get some negotiated thing... But he has to sell the Dems on anything... Ie he has to fork over real concessions.
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#22 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 4:11 PM EST
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If he shuts it down again in 3 weeks... So be it. It's his shutdown still.
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#23 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 5:01 PM EST
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Trump is teaching himself and his base that maybe they actually need govt. in a modern country as large and complex as the US...
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#24 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 5:41 PM EST
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In 3 weeks if there's no deal, which Crying Chuck alluded to, we'll see the Emergency thing... I think Trump drew a line... Mellow
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#25 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 5:44 PM EST
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Watched the news most of the afternoon, while prepping and cooking chili, and I kept hearing Trump's Wall won't get funded.. Bush's and Obama's wall was fine but it's clear they won't fund Trump's.. Mellow
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#26 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 5:49 PM EST
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think another shutdown and a declaration of an emergency will have a better ending? A wall that Mexico will pay for?



maybe we should round up all the violent Mexican felons in our prisons and threaten to drop them off in Mexico all at once, but scattered all over the country, if they don't pay up $5.7 Billion every year until the wall is built (8 - 10 years)...kinda like what Castro did in the 90's to the USA...but with 1,000's more bad hombres...
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#27 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 6:20 PM EST
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Yeah... placing Mexican criminals in Mexico, which is basically run by Mexican criminals, is a great idea!

"Mexico is a deeply unstable place. That’s not an attack on the Mexican people; it’s an acknowledgment of what anyone who knows anything about the country will tell you. The national murder rate is five times ours. Since 2006, more than 250,000 people have been murdered in Mexico, including hundreds of politicians and judges. There’s a war going on in Mexico, and it’s spurred by drug cartels that reach into the highest levels of the Mexican government. That's not an exaggeration.

The attorney general of an entire Mexican state recently pleaded guilty to drug trafficking charges. A governor of a state on the U.S. border took bribes to let cartels operate freely, which they did. And just the other day, the country’s previous president was credibly accused by a witness at trial, in court, of taking a $100 million bribe from El Chapo Guzman."

I don't want Trump to declare a "national emergency" to get the wall built. I'd rather our elected politicians agree that we need it. What I just cited is real and true. We need much, much better security at the border and that includes a viable barrier (i.e. - not a fence, which is easily breached.)
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#28 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 7:01 PM EST
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Maybe the U.S. should start calling some other dude President of Mexico. Maybe pick a guy who is cool with paying for a wall?
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#29 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 7:05 PM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
Maybe the U.S. should start calling some other dude President of Mexico. Maybe pick a guy who is cool with paying for a wall?


That was a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out response.


Hahahaha... just kidding.
Phil222 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 7:09 PM EST
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Definitely not on par with your contributions, but I try...
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 7:28 PM EST
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You want Frank and I should take care of this..?? Mellow
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#32 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 7:34 PM EST
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He never said he WOULD sign it, he said he was open to it......

The CR bullschtein needs to end. 2 year budgets period.
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#33 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 8:33 PM EST
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Trumpenfeuher, yeah, I like that one. Z is right, we need a real budget. In listening to what Trump said it sounds like there is now room for comprise.
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 9:28 PM EST
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Now it's on Pelosi and Crying Chuck... If they say no it's on them... Mellow
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#35 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 9:43 PM EST
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How do you figure that? If the Democrats and Republicans reach an agreement and a bill passes the House of the Representatives and the Senate Trump could veto it again. That would be on Trump. If the Republicans are unreasonable then it would be on them. If the Democrats are unreasonable then it would be on them. If the Republicans and Democrats are unreasonable it would be on both of them. If, well you get the picture I hope. There are so many moving parts here that laying the blame prematurely makes no sense.
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#36 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 9:53 PM EST
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The funding was already approved under Obama... Pelosi just doesn't want to fund it .. she hates Trump.. that's what this is all about... Mellow
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#37 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 10:26 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
You want Frank and I should take care of this..?? Mellow

I'm in, but I gotta be home Sunday night.
Have to work on Monday.
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 10:30 PM EST
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Me too... Awaiting confirmation.. the chiken hasn't left da coop... . Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 10:34 PM EST
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Prolly cause he's cold but we should know somethin soon... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 10:44 PM EST
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roger that
rfenst Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 10:56 PM EST
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GREEN LIGHT.
Repeat.
GREEN LIGHT GO.
frankj1 Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 10:57 PM EST
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Robert, did you get that from Jonesy?
DrafterX Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 11:20 PM EST
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Jonesy is not the chiken... I repeat... Jonesy is not the chiken.. this time.. Mellow
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#44 Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2019, 11:41 PM EST
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packed and on the way to the airport...
DrafterX Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, Jan 26 2019, 12:08 AM EST
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Abort.. well, not like abort.. but you know... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#46 Posted: Sat, Jan 26 2019, 12:09 AM EST
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yup
MACS Offline
#47 Posted: Sat, Jan 26 2019, 12:48 AM EST
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Phil was just kiddin', man... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
#48 Posted: Sat, Jan 26 2019, 9:13 AM EST
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If he does "the above" and declares ....whatever?

It will be T.R.U.M.P. SNAP/ACCESS "FOOD BOXES" FOR ALL the food stamp recipients...
i.e. shelf stable milk ( hmmmm yummy), powdered eggs, boxed Mac and cheese, GRUB BRAND PEANUT BUTTER, STALE LOAVES OF WONDERBREAD, CANNED PEAS, cans of spam/ grub tuna in oil & Hormel canned chicken,
GRUB BRAND BAKED BEANS, PASTA, NECCO WAFERS, GURKNEE POTATO STICKS, GARBANZO BEANS
IN NO.10 CAFETERIA SIZED CANS, INSTANT COFFEE,
POWDERED SPUDS, & OUTDATED MRE's....

Trump will build the wall "off the backs" of poor people eating unhealthy obesity causing NASTY AZZ FOOD STUFFS that dogs won't even eat....
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#49 Posted: Sat, Jan 26 2019, 9:53 AM EST
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^^^
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#50 Posted: Sat, Jan 26 2019, 9:53 AM EST
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