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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 4:57 PM EST
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1, 2, 3, discuss.
dstieger Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 5:43 PM EST
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Except for outrage and bluster about Trump playing politics, or doing things only for revenge...I don't see how anyone in support of sanctuary cities can argue against this.
Trump made a mistake, imo, by sounding petty when proposing this. He should have just done it and claimed he was putting them where they were clearly most welcome.
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 6:03 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Except for outrage and bluster about Trump playing politics, or doing things only for revenge...I don't see how anyone in support of sanctuary cities can argue against this.
Trump made a mistake, imo, by sounding petty when proposing this. He should have just done it and claimed he was putting them where they were clearly most welcome.

well, he could have said where they are most welcomed, wanted or not.

I think there are easy arguments when one is using human lives as pawns...made easier without department heads.
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 6:04 PM EST
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soooo....was he lying when he said we have to keep them out because they are rapists, murderers, terrorists, drug dealers, MS-13? If they are those things, why would we want to put them anywhere in the US?

"We're full" and "build a wall" is not a realistic immigration policy...unemployment is at very low rates and GDP projects continued growth...meanwhile our native population isn't growing fast enough to produce enough workers to fill all the needs...

what happened to trying to get at the cause for illegal entry into the US? Several years ago, we id'ed most people seeking illegal entry into the US were young people from Mexico looking for work. We partnered with Mexico to build up their economy which created ample employment opportunities for their people, which drastically reduced the number of Mexicans seeking illegal entry to the US... and we benefitted by increased trade and locations for US manufacturing companies...

why not try the same strategy with the Central American nations from which many of those at the border are fleeing?

At one time, among our foreign policy objectives was to develop the American hemisphere into a world powerhouse of trade and influence...
frankj1 Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 6:09 PM EST
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we have no policy nor plan...heard on NPR today that what we have instead is posturing that feeds the base's testosterone.

don't know who, but the speaker added that in a similar situation, virtually any mayor of an average city would have been at work long ago with full time department heads developing policy-based plans delineating step by step procedures.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 7:24 PM EST
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100,000 a month.. are Texas and Arizona supposed to take care of them all..?? Why not let the cities that encourage illegal entry support them..?? Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 7:37 PM EST
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I don't the uproar, Trump is just making the democrat dreams come true, sounds like they are pretty ungraceful. Not talking
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 7:49 PM EST
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sounds like his "policy" is to teach his opponents a lesson of some kind.

it goes back many years and every Congress's failure to deal with this, no doubt.

As has been said here many times no one wants to settle the issue and risk losing it as an election time hot button...but that's different than using these people to punish detractors...just my opinion.
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#9 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 8:38 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
soooo....was he lying when he said we have to keep them out because they are rapists, murderers, terrorists, drug dealers, MS-13? If they are those things, why would we want to put them anywhere in the US?.

I am no expert, delta, but I don't believe they can immediately deport any non-Mexicans that have crossed....need to process and get confirmation that home country will accept....in the meantime, we are stuck with them

The real immigration reform that is required must come from Congress.
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 8:50 PM EST
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yup, Congress.

some thoughts from the Conservative National Review...
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/donald-trumps-idea-to-ship-illegal-immigrants-to-sanctuary-cities-is-ridiculous-and-wrong/
Gene363 Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 8:57 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
sounds like his "policy" is to teach his opponents a lesson of some kind.

it goes back many years and every Congress's failure to deal with this, no doubt.

As has been said here many times no one wants to settle the issue and risk losing it as an election time hot button...but that's different than using these people to punish detractors...just my opinion.


Yup
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 10:38 PM EST
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I hope he isn't serious, but he does make a point.

I don't want them here, period. No matter where he threatens to place them.

98.2% are not "seeking asylum", they're immigrating illegally. Send 'em home, or keep them at the border (on the other side).
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#13 Posted: Fri, Apr 12 2019, 10:48 PM EST
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This is so freaking awesome......

Oakland mayor has SO MUCH sand in her vijayjay

Best troll of the week.....

Would be so awesome if they could do it.

He makes points so well and points out what hypocrites the democrats are.

Best POTUS ever
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2019, 8:01 AM EST
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some mundane points his own side is making against his threatened abuse of power...

the transportation costs alone can not be justified/covered
probably illegal to forcibly move the many who are going through the process legally (suspect it's more than the 1.8% in Shawn's study)
and the award for most self-destructive reason: the very illegals that he's trying to deport would now be extremely difficult to find/arrest/process leading to them staying!
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2019, 10:15 AM EST
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We should just built a wall or somethin... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2019, 10:52 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
some mundane points his own side is making against his threatened abuse of power...

the transportation costs alone can not be justified/covered
probably illegal to forcibly move the many who are going through the process legally (suspect it's more than the 1.8% in Shawn's study)
and the award for most self-destructive reason: the very illegals that he's trying to deport would now be extremely difficult to find/arrest/process leading to them staying!


But the sanitary cites want them... or don't they?
Speyside Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2019, 1:12 PM EST
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Trumps brinksmanship here is absolutly brilliant. Sanctuary cities are terribly wrong. Lets send them their masses to sanctify and see if the want to keep playing their wicked game.
Whistlebritches Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2019, 1:20 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Trumps brinksmanship here is absolutly brilliant. Sanctuary cities are terribly wrong. Lets send them their masses to sanctify and see if the want to keep playing their wicked game.



Agreed......call their bluff and let's see their reaction when thousands get bussed in.
frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2019, 1:38 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
But the sanitary cites want them... or don't they?

haven't heard any cities requesting them, but have heard they would welcome them.

likely not a legal move anyway. and scary to think of future presidents wielding the power to make moves specifically designed to go after the House Majority leader, or others of an opposing party whose job is in large part to provide oversight of the prez.

bad precedent. but does make supporters extremities tingle.
frankj1 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2019, 1:40 PM EST
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let's try this one more time...

frankj1 wrote:

some thoughts from the Conservative National Review...
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/donald-trumps-idea-to-ship-illegal-immigrants-to-sanctuary-cities-is-ridiculous-and-wrong/
Gene363 Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2019, 1:57 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
let's try this one more time...




Both parties want cheap labor and depressed wages, with the bonus of uninformed, obedient subjects.

FWIW, the National Review, just like CNN, MSNBC, Fox ten, all have their political bias or should I say, paid for political positions.
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2019, 8:17 PM EST
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all true, Gene.
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#23 Posted: Sat, Apr 13 2019, 11:50 PM EST
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Interesting we’ve accepted this as a rational thing to argue about.
delta1 Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 1:22 AM EST
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yah...this sounds like a variation of the Japanese internment plan, and that was during a war...

where have you gone Joe DiMaggio...
gummy jones Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 7:20 AM EST
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Well, if that guy over there is sea bass...
deadeyedick Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 8:30 AM EST
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I don't see anything wrong with spreading the load around to other parts of the nation. The southern border states have had to take the burden of many years of illegals so how about spreading them around. Sure Trump was just making a point on sanctuary cities but the truth is it's time the northeast got a few thousand bussed in and dropped of at their Greyhound stations as well.
Gene363 Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 10:51 AM EST
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Some comments bout Trump's proposal and why it's like in Southern California.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSrQ7wJC1Yc
gummy jones Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 10:52 AM EST
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I guess sanctuary means something different?
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 11:11 AM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with spreading the load around to other parts of the nation. The southern border states have had to take the burden of many years of illegals so how about spreading them around. Sure Trump was just making a point on sanctuary cities but the truth is it's time the northeast got a few thousand bussed in and dropped of at their Greyhound stations as well.

In New England we are over run wif Zee Burglars from Banff-ff...sorry, no room.
victor809 Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 12:17 PM EST
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Disgusting.

Shows us how he views these people as a group...
Shows us what people here think of other humans.

Take a step back and put a few of his ridiculous thoughts together...

He has said he believes they're a bunch of rapists and violent criminals.

He is now saying he wants to bus these people (who he believes are rapists and violent criminals) to political opponent's cities.

The simple fact that this is a discussion being had as if the president is a rational person with a functioning brain cell tells me our country has been destroyed.
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 12:22 PM EST
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We'll get over it... After the wall is built... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 12:23 PM EST
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No drafter... We won't.

With your dumb wall or without the dumb wall. The country is dead.
DrafterX Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 12:27 PM EST
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No way man... Not talking
Whistlebritches Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 1:27 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Disgusting.

Shows us how he views these people as a group...
Shows us what people here think of other humans.

Take a step back and put a few of his ridiculous thoughts together...

He has said he believes they're a bunch of rapists and violent criminals.

He is now saying he wants to bus these people (who he believes are rapists and violent criminals) to political opponent's cities.

The simple fact that this is a discussion being had as if the president is a rational person with a functioning brain cell tells me our country has been destroyed.



These cities are arguing against deportation...…..not just political opponents cities **** ing "SANCTUARY CITIES".Maybe another 30,000 or so relocated from areas they're not welcome in to each of these warm and open armed cities will change some opinions of how the national situation is handled.

Only a total and complete moron would argue for illegal immigration...…...unless you see these people as future voters to maintain power,then it makes complete sense.

BTW I share his views...…...not the ones you have so poorly characterized here...….His true views.He did not say they were all a bunch of rapist and violent criminals,he said there were rapist,murderers and violent criminals among them.In that he would be 100% correct...…...but go ahead and take it out of context if it makes you feel better.
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#35 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 2:35 PM EST
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It’s what he does.
victor809 Offline
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Whistle... His direct quote:. "They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Notice, emphasis is on the minority of the numbers being "good people". You chose to interpret his inane babble in a manner you felt put him in a better light. This happens with 98.2% of his words. He says terrible and stupid sh&t, but he says it so incoherently that people who want to support him can find a way to turn it into a sentence they can support.

But it's irrelevant. And I'm not arguing for or against any immigration.

I'm arguing his method here. He is treating people literally as a punishment. I don't even like people and I can see how insane even making this threat is. The fact that people have now turned this into some sort of "legitimate" debate is a sign. This country as an idea is dead.
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#37 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 3:36 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Whistle... His direct quote:. "They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Notice, emphasis is on the minority of the numbers being "good people". You chose to interpret his inane babble in a manner you felt put him in a better light. This happens with 98.2% of his words. He says terrible and stupid sh&t, but he says it so incoherently that people who want to support him can find a way to turn it into a sentence they can support.

But it's irrelevant. And I'm not arguing for or against any immigration.

I'm arguing his method here. He is treating people literally as a punishment. I don't even like people and I can see how insane even making this threat is. The fact that people have now turned this into some sort of "legitimate" debate is a sign. This country as an idea is dead.


I agree with that quote.......I agree with his methods,he hasn't just swept it under the rug like his predecessors.Bout damn time someone tried something.My gut tells me no matter how he dealt with this there would be crying from the left.Gotta build that voter base to **** over the U.S.

They are punishment dumbazz.........the law says they should be deported.If you argue otherwise you deserve them.
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#38 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 5:51 PM EST
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and the law also says that if they come to a point of entry at the border (and elsewhere) and apply for asylum, they're entitled to due process...that's why Trump wants to use his executive powers to skirt the asylum laws and to deny all entry at the border...
tailgater Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 6:38 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
we have no policy nor plan...heard on NPR today that what we have instead is posturing that feeds the base's testosterone.

don't know who, but the speaker added that in a similar situation, virtually any mayor of an average city would have been at work long ago with full time department heads developing policy-based plans delineating step by step procedures.


You do realize that Pelosi has repeatedly refused to work with Trump on the border solution. Don't you?

The left has let their Trump hatred impact our national security.

But that must be the testosterone talking.






We've got two sides here.
Both sides are pig headed and won't compromise.
But only one side is wanting to close the floodgates at our border, while the other is loathe to allow that for it could be seen as a victory for him.
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#40 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 6:54 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You do realize that Pelosi has repeatedly refused to work with Trump on the border solution. Don't you?

The left has let their Trump hatred impact our national security.

But that must be the testosterone talking.






We've got two sides here.
Both sides are pig headed and won't compromise.
But only one side is wanting to close the floodgates at our border, while the other is loathe to allow that for it could be seen as a victory for him.


are you willing to give up avocados?
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#41 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 8:26 PM EST
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I say....

Buy "them" A.L.L. a pup dome tent with a rain guard, a Coleman sleeping bag, and a few pillows....then give them a BUS TICKET AND CAB FAIR TO PARK THEMSELVES OUTSIDE OF PELOSI's & Fienstien's H.U.T.S./ house gates or outside of their gated
Communities...let those TWO clueless FOSSIL moronic BROADS deal with them.....everyday and twice on SUNDAY...
victor809 Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 9:03 PM EST
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There ya go whistle....

You cannot see how using this as a political tool is disgusting and unamerican.... You only see it as something which helps a cause you believe is right.

I gotta tell you... Sometimes the methods you use to achieve a goal are important and say more about you than the goal you are trying to achieve does.

This shouldn't have ever entered the public debate. Now it's somehow "normal".
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#43 Posted: Sun, Apr 14 2019, 9:23 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
and the law also says that if they come to a point of entry at the border (and elsewhere) and apply for asylum, they're entitled to due process...that's why Trump wants to use his executive powers to skirt the asylum laws and to deny all entry at the border...


Political asylum requires certain standards be met.......I'm gonna go out a limb here and say 98.2% cannot meet the standard,and it may be higher than that.
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#44 Posted: Mon, Apr 15 2019, 9:01 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Disgusting.

Shows us how he views these people as a group...
Shows us what people here think of other humans.

Take a step back and put a few of his ridiculous thoughts together...

He has said he believes they're a bunch of rapists and violent criminals.

He is now saying he wants to bus these people (who he believes are rapists and violent criminals) to political opponent's cities.

The simple fact that this is a discussion being had as if the president is a rational person with a functioning brain cell tells me our country has been destroyed.



Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

I think it’s a great idea. Immigrants are crossing the border looking for a better place. These cities have clearly stated that they welcome them. Seems like a win-win to me.

I’m amazed that anyone on the left is anything but overjoyed as this accomplishes the stated goal.
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#45 Posted: Mon, Apr 15 2019, 9:21 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

I think it’s a great idea. Immigrants are crossing the border looking for a better place. These cities have clearly stated that they welcome them. Seems like a win-win to me.

I’m amazed that anyone on the left is anything but overjoyed as this accomplishes the stated goal.


My understanding is the actual cities and leadership have shown a willingness and capability to manage these people if trump decides to bus them there.

Doesn't make the threat, the fact that this is a debate any more disgusting.

A pedo can give a kid a lollypop on the street. The kid will happily accept it. Doesn't make the pedo any less disgusting.

To be clear.... what we're talking about here is the equivalent to the Mariel boatlift. And Trump is playing the part of Castro.
dstieger Offline
#46 Posted: Mon, Apr 15 2019, 9:34 AM EST
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Say what?
Trump is equated with a pedophile?
This debate is disgusting?
Muriel boatlift?
We are talking about immigrants who willingly already entered our country illegally, and we don't have a remedy to either legally admit, nor deport immediately. They have to remain in this country for now. What better place to be than in cities and states that have made public, legislative gestures to harbor them. I still haven't heard one convincing argument against this idea.....we're down to: Trump said it, so...outrage and disgust abounds
victor809 Offline
#47 Posted: Mon, Apr 15 2019, 9:47 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Say what?
Trump is equated with a pedophile?
This debate is disgusting?
Muriel boatlift?
We are talking about immigrants who willingly already entered our country illegally, and we don't have a remedy to either legally admit, nor deport immediately. They have to remain in this country for now. What better place to be than in cities and states that have made public, legislative gestures to harbor them. I still haven't heard one convincing argument against this idea.....we're down to: Trump said it, so...outrage and disgust abounds



I did not equate trump with a pedo. Read carefully. And ivanka is way over 18... he's safe.

What if the illegal immigrants don't want to go to any of the sanctuary cities? What if they want to be in border towns closer to family across the border? You're going to move them 1000miles to some other city against their will? For a misdemeanor?

Again... the fact that this is considered a legitimate debate signals how far we have come from the ideas of america.
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#48 Posted: Mon, Apr 15 2019, 9:52 AM EST
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sanctuary sounds so nice and welcoming

unless they are lying and using these people as pawns

gasp, the bleeding heart liberals would never do such a thing
Whistlebritches Offline
#49 Posted: Mon, Apr 15 2019, 12:21 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I did not equate trump with a pedo. Read carefully. And ivanka is way over 18... he's safe.

What if the illegal immigrants don't want to go to any of the sanctuary cities? What if they want to be in border towns closer to family across the border? You're going to move them 1000miles to some other city against their will? For a misdemeanor?

Again... the fact that this is considered a legitimate debate signals how far we have come from the ideas of america.




They're illegally in our country,should they have a choice? **** NO!!!!

You lefties keep coming up with these mysterious illegal alien rights that do not exist.Stop it it makes you look stupid.
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#50 Posted: Mon, Apr 15 2019, 12:24 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I did not equate trump with a pedo. Read carefully. And ivanka is way over 18... he's safe.

What if the illegal immigrants don't want to go to any of the sanctuary cities? What if they want to be in border towns closer to family across the border? You're going to move them 1000miles to some other city against their will? For a misdemeanor?

Again... the fact that this is considered a legitimate debate signals how far we have come from the ideas of america.


These people are entering this country illegally, against millions of taxpayer's will, claiming to be seeking asylum...they are not coming here for vacation.
Why does it matter if they are sent to a Sanctuary City 1000 miles away...if they are being granted entrance and being given the opportunity to seek asylum. Trump's plan is offering them that chance....once, or if they are granted asylum, they will then be free to move back to the border towns.
Your argument sounds like TDS to me...Butt Trump...Brick wall
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