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hondo68 Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 5:58 AM EST
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Forever and a day the Sales Tax line has read $0.00, but my latest order "processing" says.....

Sales Tax $16.86

This must be the NEW internet sales tax that President Trump signed into law. A pox upon the D&R party & Dear Leader Donnell for collecting revenue for the California Moonbeam government on sales made in Pennsylvania. Shame on you !
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 6:30 AM EST
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A Supreme Court decision of June 21, 2018 (South Dakota v. Wayfair Inc.) established that individual states can require ecommerce retailers to collect state sales tax on the goods they sell. But that's OK, blame Trump. I had a plugged cigar a few days ago, and I know it's all the big bad orange man's fault.

David
deadeyedick Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 7:54 AM EST
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hondo68 wrote:
Forever and a day the Sales Tax line has read $0.00, but my latest order "processing" says.....

Sales Tax $16.86

This must be the NEW internet sales tax that President Trump signed into law. A pox upon the D&R party & Dear Leader Donnell for collecting revenue for the California Moonbeam government on sales made in Pennsylvania. Shame on you !


You live in Cali and complain about taxes? d'oh!

A decent $10 cigar costs about $15 there.
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 8:57 AM EST
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Glad you cleared that up you crazy Californian. You read much? Neither Trump or governor moon beam had anything to do with that tax. Reading is fundamental. Frank and Opel will be around later.
Buckwheat Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 9:00 AM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
A Supreme Court decision of June 21, 2018 (South Dakota v. Wayfair Inc.) established that individual states can require ecommerce retailers to collect state sales tax on the goods they sell. But that's OK, blame Trump. I had a plugged cigar a few days ago, and I know it's all the big bad orange man's fault.

David


Several "liberal judges" voted for "yeah" in this decision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_v._Wayfair,_Inc.#Concurring_opinions

Personally, I think it stinks worse than a dried out Acid cigar. fog
opelmanta1900 Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 10:21 AM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
You live in Cali and complain about taxes? d'oh!

A decent $10 cigar costs about $25 there.

Fixed it for you... Most the b&m's around here keep padron anni's in a separate glass case since they go for $30+...
hondo68 Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 10:55 AM EST
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Justice Gorsuch was the deciding vote in South Dakota v. Wayfair Inc. President Trump praised the decision to ream Americans with higher taxes. https://thehill.com/policy/finance/393560-trump-praises-supreme-court-ruling-in-internet-sales-tax-case

President Trump appointed the Rocky Mountain High progressive, Big Stupid Government loving, libtard Gorsuch. The vote would have been even worse if big gov loving authoritarian Kavanaugh had been on the court at the time.

Progressive tax and spend New York Values First, Cigar Smoking Americans Last! Deficits don't matter, the sky's the limit! Sarcasm

Hillary would have reamed Cigar Smoking Americans with higher taxes too. Frying pan
dstieger Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 11:23 AM EST
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I can understand tax resistance...and certainly changes unfavorable to us.

But I think the outrage, if any, should be directed at your local tax jurisdiction, vice SC, or Trump, or Cbid.

We all knew that tax free internet sales couldn't last forever....it was never really fair to our state and local retailers. Seemed like a good enough idea to get the internet sales thing kick started, but nobody who thought much about it thought that it would be permanent.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 11:32 AM EST
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I can't bring myself to get too wound up on this.

I wouldn't even bother blaming trumpenfurher for this....

Internet sales have been skirting taxes for years. The legality has been questionable, even without this new law. I remember the discussion always popped up when I was growing up in Seattle (an income tax free state, with high sales taxes) which is close enough to Oregon (a sales tax-less state, with income tax). The legality of people driving across the border to buy high-ticket items was always in question. You're skirting the taxes which you're supposed to pay to help support the community you live in.

Disagreement with what your tax money is spent on, or the level at which it is taxed is never a valid reason to avoid paying the tax... Otherwise my IRS payments would be much different.

In fact, it's these backchannel sales/ tax avoidance which severely hinders a fair assessment of any alternative tax schemes... (ie, the reason you have "income tax" is because that's the easiest way to get your money to the government without you hiding tax revenue by buying outside the jurisdiction. )
KingoftheCove Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 11:37 AM EST
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hondo68 wrote:
Justice Gorsuch was the deciding vote in South Dakota v. Wayfair Inc. President Trump praised the decision to ream Americans with higher taxes. https://thehill.com/policy/finance/393560-trump-praises-supreme-court-ruling-in-internet-sales-tax-case

President Trump appointed the Rocky Mountain High progressive, Big Stupid Government loving, libtard Gorsuch. The vote would have been even worse if big gov loving authoritarian Kavanaugh had been on the court at the time.

Progressive tax and spend New York Values First, Cigar Smoking Americans Last! Deficits don't matter, the sky's the limit! Sarcasm

Hillary would have reamed Cigar Smoking Americans with higher taxes too. Frying pan

Hillary is just angry at cigars in general...
KingoftheCove Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 11:45 AM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:

Hillary is just angry at cigars in general...

Thanks Bill...
borndead1 Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 9:28 PM EST
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I think it's a crock that I have to pay sales tax on an item that I didn't buy in this state. That ain't even logical to me. But oh well. I'm still paying less than I would at a California B&M. Cali's next step will probably be to ban online tobacco purchases. You know, for the childrens and stuff.
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 9:33 PM EST
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https://halfwheel.com/house-bill-would-ban-online-cigar-sales-flavored-tobacco-products-increase-minimum-tobacco-purchasing-age-to-21/298061
borndead1 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 9:57 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://halfwheel.com/house-bill-would-ban-online-cigar-sales-flavored-tobacco-products-increase-minimum-tobacco-purchasing-age-to-21/298061


Those bastids. I'm moving to Costa Rica.
borndead1 Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2019, 9:58 PM EST
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Or I could just begin creating a 30 year stockpile of cigars.
gummy jones Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2019, 8:11 AM EST
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hondo68 wrote:
Forever and a day the Sales Tax line has read $0.00, but my latest order "processing" says.....

Sales Tax $16.86

This must be the NEW internet sales tax that President Trump signed into law. A pox upon the D&R party & Dear Leader Donnell for collecting revenue for the California Moonbeam government on sales made in Pennsylvania. Shame on you !


if you are financially crippled by a tax on cigars then maybe you should cut the habit all together and put your money to use elsewhere.
KingoftheCove Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2019, 9:33 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Or I could just begin creating a 30 year stockpile of cigars.

Probably a better idea.
Costa Rica ain’t what it used to be...
Buckwheat Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2019, 10:50 AM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Thanks Bill...



One of the funnier things I've read today. fog

No sales tax on Cuban Cigars. Beer
frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2019, 10:59 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
One of the funnier things I've read today. fog

No sales tax on Cuban Cigars. Beer

and shipping included
hondo68 Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2019, 6:32 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
if you are financially crippled by a tax on cigars then maybe you should cut the habit all together and put your money to use elsewhere.


Since you seem to be such a high roller fat cat philanthropist with OPM (other peoples money), why don't you cut a YUUUGE check to the State Of California? =d>

I'd rather not pay taxes on sales made in PA.
Whistlebritches Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2019, 7:15 PM EST
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Thanks Bill...


LMMFAO........now thats funny
Whistlebritches Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2019, 7:17 PM EST
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hondo68 wrote:
Since you seem to be such a high roller fat cat philanthropist with OPM (other peoples money), why don't you cut a YUUUGE check to the State Of California? Applause

I'd rather not pay taxes on sales made in PA.



You **** ing live in Cali...….and you're gonna biotch about tax on internet sales.
bs_kwaj Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2019, 10:56 PM EST
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Apparently Trump runs AAFES also.

They stopped selling Bud Light in cases and instead moved to 12-packs.

Two 12-packs costs $5 more than a case.

Beer
gummy jones Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2019, 6:56 AM EST
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hondo68 wrote:
Since you seem to be such a high roller fat cat philanthropist with OPM (other peoples money), why don't you cut a YUUUGE check to the State Of California? Applause

I'd rather not pay taxes on sales made in PA.


and most of us would rather not pay increased taxes on carbon made in china...but i digress

as to the topic at hand, just friendly advice
anyone "crippled" by sales tax on a luxury item should certainly rethink their budget
Mr. Jones Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2019, 8:03 AM EST
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WAAAAAAAAA
WAAAAAAAAA
WAAAAAAAAA

A.L.L.
YOU
WHINEEEEE-NINNNGGGGGGGG
CRYBABY'S need a "warm milk bottle break" then
Shanedaneeeestaaaaa' can change your diapers and rock YOUINS' back to sleepy time land....

Tonygraz and I have been paying 6% PA SALES TAX ON EVERY ORDER SINCE 2005.....
AND
YOU DONT HEAR US CRYING...
hondo68 Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2019, 10:52 AM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:


Tonygraz and I have been paying 6% PA SALES TAX ON EVERY ORDER SINCE 2005.....
AND
YOU DONT HEAR US CRYING...

Must be due to your love of Big Stupid Government nanny state socialism.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2019, 11:36 AM EST
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Or, or... they're not wearing their mom's panties... You gotta unknot those things hodor....
Abrignac Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2019, 12:38 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Or, or... they're not wearing their mom's panties... You gotta unknot those things hodor....


On the other hand, he could wear his big girl panties and not worry about the knots.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2019, 12:43 PM EST
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Knotless big girl panties? You gotta link? I've grown weary of boxers...
RMAN4443 Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2019, 1:09 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Or, or... they're not wearing their mom's panties... You gotta unknot those things hodor....

You make wearing Mom's panties sound like a bad thing....Anxious
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