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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted:
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A new law in New York extends the waiting period for certain gun purchases from three days to 30 days.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed the law Monday and it takes effect in September.

Under existing federal law, gun dealers must wait three days before completing a sale if someone is not instantly approved by the federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

The sale could proceed even if the background check was not finished.

New York gun buyers will now have to wait 30 days for the background check.

Cuomo and Democratic lawmakers said the extended background check will give law enforcement the time it needs to complete a thorough investigation, Syracuse.com reported.

“Stronger background checks will help keep guns away from dangerous people,” said Sen Michael Ginaris, D-Queens, Senate sponsor of the bill.

Tom King, president of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association, said the new law isn’t necessary. The three-day waiting period worked well, he said, and lawmakers extended for reasons that were largely political.

“This is just feel-good legislation,” he said. “This is something that the governor and the politicians are saying will make you safer. That’s hogwash.”

Cuomo also signed a bill banning bump stocks. A federal bump stock ban took effect in March

Film at 11.... Mellow
Krazeehorse Offline
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Wow. Sounds good. Maybe I'll change my vacation destination to NYC now.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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There should be at least a 30 day waiting period for most things... Gun purchases, animal adoptions, weddings, you name it...

Doubt this will do much for safety in terms of extra checks being completed, but I've got no issue with the new law...
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Well, i see a lot of needless suffering ahead from people getting beaten with boards with nails in them... Not talking
USNGunner Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
but I've got no issue with the new law...


Nor did the german people with the Nazi's dictates, as long as it didn't affect them.


My issue with this is it only impacts a certain class of folks, who are mostly the law abiding ones. It simply makes their lives harder, and prevents folks from protecting themselves.

I was in Long Beach, California when the Rodney King thing went down and the riots started. Folks where trying to buy a gun to protect their homes and families, and went bat **** crazy when they found out, "Here you go, come back in 10 days."

This does nothing at all for the public safety. Nothing. It's feel good BS kabuki theater. Nothing else.

"Look, we're trying!" All the while weakening sentencing guidelines and letting every illegal immigrant in the world run free and protected. Complete BS.

It all comes down to whether your ox is being gored, doesn't it?

Whether you like the issue or not, if you don't protect others rights, even if you aren't a fan, no one else is going to protect you and yours either. They won't be there.
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USNGunner wrote:
Nor did the german people with the Nazi's dictates, as long as it didn't affect them.


My issue with this is it only impacts a certain class of folks, who are mostly the law abiding ones. It simply makes their lives harder, and prevents folks from protecting themselves.

I was in Long Beach, California when the Rodney King thing went down and the riots started. Folks where trying to buy a gun to protect their homes and families, and went bat **** crazy when they found out, "Here you go, come back in 10 days."

This does nothing at all for the public safety. Nothing. It's feel good BS kabuki theater. Nothing else.

"Look, we're trying!" All the while weakening sentencing guidelines and letting every illegal immigrant in the world run free and protected. Complete BS.

It all comes down to whether your ox is being gored, doesn't it?

Whether you like the issue or not, if you don't protect others rights, even if you aren't a fan, no one else is going to protect you and yours either. They won't be there.


Sorry, didn't realize the sky was falling...

Lived pretty close the the king riots myself... Remind me, how many individuals residing safely in their houses needed the use of a gun during those brief riots but didn't have one?

And then explain to me how the people looting stores that week would've been better off with a no waiting period on handgun purchases...
DrafterX Offline
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Well, if they didn't have to wait they coulda just robbed some stores... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, if they didn't have to wait they coulda just robbed some stores... Mellow


The law doesn't apply to criminals, they can take immediate street delivery of all firearms.

Just another step in the eventual outlawing of all firearms. Any request for "reasonable gun control" can go straight to hell.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Sorry, didn't realize the sky was falling...


Neither did the Jews. No one ever does. Heat the water slow, the frog doesn't realize it's cooking. Small steps are what puts a society into lockdown. Not big ones.

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Lived pretty close the the king riots myself... Remind me, how many individuals residing safely in their houses needed the use of a gun during those brief riots but didn't have one?

And then explain to me how the people looting stores that week would've been better off with a no waiting period on handgun purchases...


If you were actually there you know the answer to that. It was on TV all over at the time. I'll not waste my time arguing with a closed mind that simply wants to deflect. It's a waste.

I can spell integrity and intellectual honesty though. Most can't.

horse
teedubbya Offline
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It’s New York. MEH.
teedubbya Offline
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USNGunner wrote:
Neither did the Jews. No one ever does. Heat the water slow, the frog doesn't realize it's cooking. Small steps are what puts a society into lockdown. Not big ones.



If you were actually there you know the answer to that. It was on TV all over at the time. I’m ll not waste my time arguing with a closed mind that simply wants to deflect. It's a waste.

I can spell integrity and intellectual honesty though. Most can't.


horse



Wtf. The irony is dripping. Knock yourself out.
izonfire Offline
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teedubbya wrote:

Wtf. The irony is dripping. Knock yourself out.


Thought that was the clap...
borndead1 Offline
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Gun rights will never be 'eliminated'. The powers that be will just make buying/owning/using guns so inconvenient and expensive, people will just give up. Younger people are buying fewer guns already. And this generation are the kids born after 9/11 and the Patriot Act. They are growing up with a very different concept of what privacy and rights are.
teedubbya Offline
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By the way anyone that disagrees with me on any issue simply has a closed mind and it’s not worth my effort because my open mind is wonderful and stuff.
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izonfire wrote:
Thought that was the clap...


Frying pan

https://youtu.be/8bw2X1oq_js

opelmanta1900 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
By the way anyone that disagrees with me on any issue simply has a closed mind and it’s not worth my effort because my open mind is wonderful and stuff.

I'd disagree with you but what's the point... You've got a closed mind and I'm certainly not willing to change mine based on anything you have to say... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
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I’m sorry.
izonfire Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I’m sorry.


You’re all a buncha sorry sonsabiches!!!
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But IDs to vote are racist
USNGunner Offline
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teedubbya wrote:



Wtf. The irony is dripping. Knock yourself out.


All right. Irony? How about you just keep jerking yourself off.

Here's the deal dip**** since reading is not fundamental in your world. I was there. He either wasn't, has selective memory, or is flat out lying. There were numerous news stories and live video feeds showing shop owners and such protecting their property from the mobs with rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Every. Single. Day.

I was tooled up everyday on my way to work (active military) because to do otherwise was to get beat over the head with a fire extinguisher. (Google Reginald Denny)

So basically in true liberal fashion, and by the way, denial is not a river in Egypt, his entire spin on the matter is bull****. And if he was really there, he knows that. If not, he doesn't care because he is a lying son of a sea going biscuit.

I wanted to be subtle and let him know that I know he's full of it, but no, the rest of you liberal douche bags have to pile on. And you started your selective highlight right after the pertinent part of the quote, so you can piss up a rope too.

Screw it. I'm tired of trying to be be sociable. "Whooop there it is."

Deal with it, or piss off. "Frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn!"

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teedubbya Offline
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Your blindness is your weakness again. He’s not a liberal nor am I. Read his other posts. Your conclusion jumping is epic.

I happen to agree with you on this issue just not your approach, and I read just fine. I also don’t need to google anyone, I remember it clearly and can still visualize it.

When you toss out the stale one liners about libs, reading comprehension blah blah blah, especially when they don’t apply it shows your closed mind at the same time you are accusing others of the same.

Others can disagree with you and be equally or more intelligent than and informed as you. From what I’ve seen they often are. It’s a mentally weak tactic to declare things rather than discuss things despite how it may feel.

You consider yourself the benchmark but you are not and while you are puffing out your chest to look big in reality you look very small. You become a caricature that can’t be taken seriously even in this situation when I think you are right and agree with you more than Opel.

Your assumptions and blindness make you look weak minded in arguments and you can declare yourself the winner whenever you like. If that makes you feel better go ahead but it’s a bit delusional. .

In reality you find a way to lose with a winning hand and it’s hard to take you seriously even when folks like me want to.

So there mr poopy pants. Lighten up Francis.
teedubbya Offline
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As for the OP waiting periods are worthless and background checks should take moments. We need to fix the latter.

I get delay every single time presumably due to my security clearances and periodic checks when recertified. I’ve finally found a ffl that will release to me after three days of no decision but those are becoming harder to find. Although they are legally legitimate to do so the truth is nuisance suits make it a risk I’d probably not take if I were them.

In some crimes of passion I suppose a one day wait could do something maybe, but I also don’t believe in legislating to the other xtreme or lowest common denominator.

That said it’s NY. Eff them. They outlaw big gulps. And to be honest states rights is a conservative tenant even though it’s often selective.

I’ll never buy a gun in NY so I don’t care if they make you wear a tutu when buying one. I’m also not afraid of their dumb ideas creeping elsewhere. I believe in the old pace picante commercials.
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I think Gunner had some salient points. The people this effects are the honest law abiding citizens. The criminal element know where and how to buy guns on the street.

I wasn't there so I can only speculate but if I had been in LA during the Rodney King riots I would have wanted to buy a gun for protection. Though I don't think for Reginald Denny it would have made a difference. He was brutalized only hours after the verdict. Shop owner though are a different story.

Also, I doubt more information will be gathered in 30 days instead of 3 days. A better law would be to ensure that all legally available data be in a national data base instead of some here some there and so on. A gun should not go into someone's possession before a background check, but in this day and age a background check should be instantaneous.

By the way I am a liberal, though I am a liberal centrist slightly left of center. I form my own thoughts and opinions. Slightly more would be considered liberal than conservative. It is simply incorrect on your part to lump me into a group with all liberals and think they believe that anything conservative is wrong.
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I think this was designed to shut down the gun shops not the buyers... but that's just my opinion so please don't call me stupid and stuff... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Meh... drafter is stupid and stuff. I won't edit #21 but it was probably a bit stronger than need be. Had coffee now but to edit would show weakness. Never show weakness.

but the important thing is drafter is stupid and stuff
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LA during the Rodney King riots, give me a break....

If I was in LA during the Rodney King riots, I would have went on vacation
teedubbya Offline
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Drafter just because you think you can win a debate with half your brain tied behind your back doesn't mean you have to prove it on a daily basis. But in the words of the great kojak - who loves ya baby

By the way my wife was at USC during the riots. Pretty frightening time.
DrafterX Offline
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There's no debate here.. I'm right and everyone else is F'd in da head... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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true true.... at least you are more open minded then they are, are much more intelligent, have better reading skilz, and have perfect hair
DrafterX Offline
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True.. true... plus i have an enormous Schwanzstucker... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Yea but the antibiotics should help with that.
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spey, #23

I know you said all legally available data but I'm uneasy about a national data base...not to say I couldn't be convinced but I ALWAYS try to apply Tripod's Law of the Deal:

A Deal Is Only As Good As The Downside

The upside is all that proponents and gun enthusiasts are considering...very shortsighted in my opinion.
I'd need to have the "what could go wrong?" side of the deal fully satisfied first...and just to allow it so someone hot for a gun or so frightened they must have a gun ASAP, well, those people have me a bit concerned from jump street. We aren't talking about you picking up something to take to the range here.

and how much mental health info would even be in a legally available data base?
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The only available mental health information that should be available is as follows. Was someone ever involuntarily istitionalized? Was someone ever diagnosed as criminally insane? Has someone ever been a danger to themselves or society?
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good start. too quick for me to fully agree to limit to those.
not saying that isn't enough, just so fast...
DrafterX Offline
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What about state of mind..?? Saw a dude once outfitting a 12 gage riot gun sporting 2 blackeyes.... i don't know if the sale happened or not... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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could also unfairly eliminate someone too...false accusations, or maybe person has worked to overcome issues from earlier in life, been rehabbed, worked diligently in therapy...
teedubbya Offline
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some think being a liberal is a mental illness but since all of them are anti gun that shouldn't matter much
Speyside Offline
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Frank, I don't think any of that information falls under HIPPA guidelines. Also recidivism is what, about 70%, so I'm not big on the rehabilitation sticks idea.
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USNGunner wrote:
Heat the water slow, the frog doesn't realize it's cooking.



#fakenews... You prolly watch too much cnn... Feel free to repeat the experiment yourself...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Also, if you're cooking frogs in water, you're doing it wrong...
DrafterX Offline
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My puppy-dog killed one the other day... Mellow
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Did he boil it afterwards? cuz y'aint s'posed da...
DrafterX Offline
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no.. just chewed it up raw... Mellow
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Speyside wrote:
Frank, I don't think any of that information falls under HIPPA guidelines. Also recidivism is what, about 70%, so I'm not big on the rehabilitation sticks idea.



You want to make sure you are not discouraging folks from getting help however. If getting help or a diagnosis is a life long ankle bracelet some will forgo it.



During the aids epidemic I was doing a ton of chart reviews and started noticing various symbols. I later found out docs were going up to and almost diagnosing AIDS or HIV positive. The symbols were to warn them and their staff to take certain precautions but not to document a full on diagnosis for insurance and other ramifications. I remember thinking how sad it is that they couldn't just diagnose due to non medical reasons.
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poor CROS.... Sad
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frankj1 wrote:
and just to allow it so someone hot for a gun or so frightened they must have a gun ASAP, well, those people have me a bit concerned from jump street. We aren't talking about you picking up something to take to the range here.

What about situations like the the king riots? You just expect people to stay in the safety of their homes? Or worse yet, just avoid the very small area where the rioting was taking place? I hear that's how Hitler got started... Not talking
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'Can't we all just.. get along..'
Hitler 1945
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Phew

I feel safer already now that such an altruistic government has even more control over law abiding citizens

Bravo
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"Not a chance" - swimming pool 2012
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"don't let your meat loaf"

Meatloaf 1983
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