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Jeffrey Epstein Checks Out
victor809 Offline
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delta1 wrote:
cuz we can't get enough libs to agree on anything so we can't muster up a conspiracy...since the cons own all the conspiracy rabbit holes, they're not going after their own...

Fox News reports these con "theories" as actual news, Trump includes them in his tweets, Trump supporters believe it to be true...

wonder how big the Clinton-run Deep State is, and what other heinous stuff they're up to...for a clandestine organization involved in all the crap and all the murders they've been accused of, without any leaks, they're better disciplined and more effective than the CIA...maybe we can pay them more to work for America...


with that much control and power you'd think they could have just won her the presidency.
teedubbya Offline
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I’m not much of a conspiracy guy but if there is one it points more at trump than anyone else.
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There is some rumor Barr talked to epstein the day before.

Don't know if that's true... or really care.

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Media reports from the late 1990s and early 2000s frequently mention Trump attending Epstein-hosted social events, and Epstein attending events at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club.

“Friends and associates” of the pair told the Washington Post that Epstein and Trump “had socialized for years, drawn together by a mix of money, women and power.”

NBC News recently aired a video from 1992 of Trump and Epstein together at a Mar-a-Lago party, discussing women and laughing together.

The New York Times reported that, according to businessman George Houraney, Trump asked him to organize a “calendar girl” party at Mar-a-Lago — and said he and Epstein would be the only men in attendance.

The New York Times also reported that Epstein has claimed to people that he introduced Donald Trump to Melania — though this hasn’t been corroborated.

Trump called Epstein twice in November 2004, according to message pads seized from Epstein’s Florida mansion by the government.

Several phone numbers for Trump, including an emergency contact and a number for Trump’s security, were among many notable people’s numbers listed in Epstein’s “black book” (which was later obtained by the government).

Epstein’s brother Mark testified that Epstein once took Trump on one of his planes to go from Florida to New York, saying he thought it happened in the late 1990s.

Mark Epstein also told the Post Trump flew on Epstein’s plane “numerous times.”

At some point around the time of Epstein’s legal problems, the friendship appears to have ended. Trump has spread the story that he banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago for making sexual advances to a masseuse. However, the New York Times reported that by some accounts the two men only fell out “after a failed business arrangement between them.” The Washington Post reports that they were rival bidders for the same Palm Beach estate (Trump won).
teedubbya Offline
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Also one of the women that are accusing trump of rape was 13 at the time. The place? Epstein’s place and party
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may I quote you?
teedubbya Offline
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No. It’s just something I hear
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Lest we forget .... this plaintiff was 13:
"Defendant Trump initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties.
On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff
to a bed, exposed himself to Plaintiff, and then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff. During the
course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but
with no effect. Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff’s pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in
the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted. Exhs. A and
B.
11. Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened Plaintiff that, were
she ever to reveal any of the details of the sexual and physical abuse of her by Defendant Trump,
Plaintiff and her family would be physically harmed if not killed. Exhs. A and B.
12. Defendant Epstein had sexual contact with Plaintiff at two of the parties. The
second sexual encounter with Defendant Epstein took place after Plaintiff had been raped by
Case 1:16-cv-07673 Document 1 Filed 09/30/16 Page 4 of 10
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Defendant Trump. Defendant Epstein forced himself upon Plaintiff and proceeded to rape her
anally and vaginally despite her loud pleas to stop. Defendant Epstein then attempted to strike
Plaintiff about the head with his closed fists while he angrily screamed at Plaintiff that he,
Defendant Epstein, rather than Defendant Trump, should have been the one who took Plaintiff’s
virginity, before Plaintiff finally managed to break away from Defendant Epstein. Exhs. A and
B.
13. The threats of violence against Plaintiff and her family continued, this time from
Defendant Epstein, who again reiterated that Plaintiff was not to reveal any of the details of his
sexual and physical abuse of her or else, specifically, Plaintiff and her family would be seriously
physically harmed, if not killed. Exhs. A and B.
14. While still under threats of physical harm by coming forward and having no
reason to believe that the threats have ever been lifted or would ever be lifted, Plaintiff, who has
suffered from stress, emotional distress, mental pain and suffering, among other problems, ever
since the assaults, was subjected to daily painful reminders of the horrific acts of one of the
perpetrators, Defendant Trump, via mass media coverage of him starting on or about June 16,
2015 that, over a short period of time, became continuous and unavoidable. Exh. A"
teedubbya Offline
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It’s one of the many rape or sexual assault cases against Trump that were made to disappear once he weaponized the DOJ.
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The conspiracy nuts point to the timing of the rape in the allegation to coincide with when trumpenfurher-the-accused-child-rapist and epstein-the-convicted-child-rapist stopped being friends. So their fight may have been over who gets to rape the 13 year old first.

but by all means, I'm sure there's a reason to go digging into clinton's relationship.
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teedubbya wrote:
Also one of the women that are accusing trump of rape was 13 at the time. The place? Epstein’s place and party

a short while ago there were released quotes (the day he said he didn't know Epstein) attributed to Trump from a few years ago in which he said what all of Washington, New York, and Hollywood seemed to know...that Epstein had the women, especially very young women.

true? maybe. not true? maybe.
anyone who has kept tabs on the Lifestyles of The Rich, Famous, and Depraved the last few decades surprised to hear who socialized in these circles?

for me, this mattered at the time of the last election, not now, but perhaps the Morality Team will back off their united support simply because of his (not) heartfelt vote pandering support of Pro Life for the next election.

There's a lot more involved to living with morals.

teedubbya Offline
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I’m giving a thumbs up but it’s for the orphans not you.

By the way the conversation is on tape and not alleged.

It’s no wonder the government disappeared Epstein. Trump must have replaced his jailed fixer with Barr. Definite upgrade.
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I don't really care who was motivated to do what here...seems the decedent was in the best position to accomplish his objective...

MACS is a professional detention facility supervisor, and he says stuff happens, can't expect humans to keep watching 24/7 without turning away ...

" My team has about 65% good, responsible people. The other 35% can kiss my ass." - MACS on his crew...so one out of three corrections officers are sub-par...and that's in a relatively well-run operation...

reports are that the prison staff at Epstein's facility were undermanned and working prolonged and mandatory overtime...think any of those guys were cutting corners? .....

whose fault? Top prison administrators...
teedubbya Offline
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I heard Epstein arranged the Moscow showers.
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard Epstein arranged the Moscow showers.


Putin killed epstein?

(another layer to the ridiculous nonsense around the conspiracy theories.... trumpenfurher is literally friends with people who have been credibly accused having people killed.... )
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People generally want what they can't have. Bigger cars, boats, houses. Billionaires get bored, they've got all the big stuff. It's probably a one off situation. It isn't like women are being sexually trafficked from China to perform sex acts on owners of NFL teams.

Lonely Kraft Singles lead to exploited vaChinas.
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red herring
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Al... you are absolutely correct. Our former sheriff allowed our staffing levels to get dangerously low. Why? To prove a point to the board of supervisors?

That's why the new sheriff, who was one of the former sheriff's lieutenants, got elected. We're hiring. We're slowly trying to build our staffing back up. It's going to take time... and in the meantime, I have guys working 3-4 days of overtime every pay period. The ones who don't volunteer get voluntold for at least a day, sometimes 2.

We are on mandatory "yellow days". Forced overtime. Sergeants are not mandated, but most of us do a day or two just to help out. Staffing is so low it's been authorized.

On Sunday I should have 32 people. 35 from 8am-2pm when we're doing clothing exchange. I had 26 until 8am when I had 29... and forced one of them to stay until the end of our shift, so I was at 27. 5 under critical.

That's not a lawsuit waiting to happen at all.
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MACS wrote:
Al... you are absolutely correct. Our former sheriff allowed our staffing levels to get dangerously low. Why? To prove a point to the board of supervisors?

That's why the new sheriff, who was one of the former sheriff's lieutenants, got elected. We're hiring. We're slowly trying to build our staffing back up. It's going to take time... and in the meantime, I have guys working 3-4 days of overtime every pay period. The ones who don't volunteer get voluntold for at least a day, sometimes 2.

We are on mandatory "yellow days". Forced overtime. Sergeants are not mandated, but most of us do a day or two just to help out. Staffing is so low it's been authorized.

On Sunday I should have 32 people. 35 from 8am-2pm when we're doing clothing exchange. I had 26 until 8am when I had 29... and forced one of them to stay until the end of our shift, so I was at 27. 5 under critical.

That's not a lawsuit waiting to happen at all.

you know more than anyone else I know about this.

serious question...how much could we alleviate this problem by releasing or at least reducing sentences for street level mj crime?
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frankj1 wrote:
you know more than anyone else I know about this.

serious question...how much could we alleviate this problem by releasing or at least reducing sentences for street level mj crime?


Or, executing people on death row, and move these people in jail into the empty cells.
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frankj1 wrote:
you know more than anyone else I know about this.

serious question...how much could we alleviate this problem by releasing or at least reducing sentences for street level mj crime?


Leniency is not the answer. CA has already reduced drug possession to a citation. Read a little about AB-109, Prop 47, and Prop 57. We're letting criminals get away with crime. Property crimes have increased a lot, and homelessness has, too.

Why? Because the guys we're letting out are such losers that even their own families are sick of their sh*t.

Some guy steals your car... gets sentenced to 3 years... he'll be out in a week with no probation or parole. Just like he served his whole term. Zero consequences.

In criminal justice class we learned that in order for a punishment to be effective, it must be 1. Certain 2. Swift and 3. Severe. Our justice system is NONE of those things, which is why criminals don't give 2 craps about following the law... BUT in jail they follow the jailhouse rules set up by their fellow criminals... because if they dont, they get the sh*t kicked out of them, right NOW. Certain. Swift. And severe.
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MACS wrote:
Leniency is not the answer. CA has already reduced drug possession to a citation. Read a little about AB-109, Prop 47, and Prop 57. We're letting criminals get away with crime. Property crimes have increased a lot, and homelessness has, too.

Why? Because the guys we're letting out are such losers that even their own families are sick of their sh*t.

Some guy steals your car... gets sentenced to 3 years... he'll be out in a week with no probation or parole. Just like he served his whole term. Zero consequences.

In criminal justice class we learned that in order for a punishment to be effective, it must be 1. Certain 2. Swift and 3. Severe. Our justice system is NONE of those things, which is why criminals don't give 2 craps about following the law... BUT in jail they follow the jailhouse rules set up by their fellow criminals... because if they dont, they get the sh*t kicked out of them, right NOW. Certain. Swift. And severe.

just was asking about street level small mj related crimes. Society has started to become honest about mj and it's widespread use and acceptance, and the courts and jails have been filled with cases of those unable to afford quality legal representation while the large scale distributors never got sentenced.

was wondering if getting these people out of cells would help with the proper staffing required for the big stuff like Epstein.
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No. In CA none of them are IN jail.
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MACS wrote:
No. In CA none of them are IN jail.

had no idea, that's why I asked you.

around here, the courts and cells are filled with them...or were.
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Possession is now a cite and release in CA.

You can have heroin in your pocket and they write you a citation. It's no longer a felony. Does the homeless issue make a little more sense now?
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frankj1 wrote:
red herring


Vice is vice. Whether it be moonshine, marijuana, Cuban cigars, or any sexual kink, networks are helpful. Rich-dudes letting their freak flag fly wouldn't surprise any of us. Look at the whole Hollywood hook ups. Whether it be Harvey Weinstein and the casting couch, Epstein's massage table, or Kraft and his shower board, or stars getting their stupid daughters into college, it's about cash and power.

Only poor perverts shop at Boy Scouts of America.
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MACS wrote:
Possession is now a cite and release in CA.

You can have heroin in your pocket and they write you a citation. It's no longer a felony. Does the homeless issue make a little more sense now?


Funny how the liberal paradise doesn't seem so perfect.
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8trackdisco wrote:
Vice is vice. Whether it be moonshine, marijuana, Cuban cigars, or any sexual kink, networks are helpful. Rich-dudes letting their freak flag fly wouldn't surprise any of us. Look at the whole Hollywood hook ups. Whether it be Harvey Weinstein and the casting couch, Epstein's massage table, or Kraft and his shower board, it's about cash and power.

Only poor perverts shop at Boy Scouts of America.

hating Kraft is cool, if unrelated. But the China sex slave trafficking claim by the police department in that Kraft case turned out to be baloney...it was free porno on surveillance cams.

Epstein had a whole bunch of people with more political clout than Kraft in his rolodex.
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MACS wrote:
Possession is now a cite and release in CA.

You can have heroin in your pocket and they write you a citation. It's no longer a felony. Does the homeless issue make a little more sense now?

no citations/release for heroin here in liberal MA.
Harsh winters may discourage even more homeless though.
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8trackdisco wrote:


Only poor perverts shop at Boy Scouts of America.

This belongs on a Christmas sweater...
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I’ve not seen the numbers but I’d guess if you’d kill everyone on death row today prison overcrowding would still be an issue. That should be easy math though so you don’t really need to do it to prove it. That seems more like a pro execution stance than a lesson overcrowding solution.

I also think at least around here the homeless situation isn’t that easy. Then again usually things are not but our minds want us to think so. Homelessness isn’t new and I don’t think heroin is catch and release here.
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And people thought the tea party was a buncha crazies.

Russia Russia Russia!
Obstruction!
Racist!
Child raper!


Edge of my seat for what the loonies will cry about next.

Popcorn
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Epstien knew to much, wonder what list the Madame he used for procurement is on.
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tailgater wrote:
And people thought the tea party was a buncha crazies.

Russia Russia Russia!
Obstruction!
Racist!
Child raper!


Edge of my seat for what the loonies will cry about next.

Popcorn



Probably about the press, people being hypnotized by them, the non existent deep state, clinton kill lists, people not born here being the bane of all things wrong, and people that were born here not being born here etc.

Plenty of crazy to go around
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tailgater wrote:

Child raper!


There you go telling people what they think/type again.
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Victor, please stop interrupting tails train of thought. It derails easily enough on it's own. Also stop preaching his uselessness. He has many redeeming qualities. I'm sure Frank can think of them.
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Speyside wrote:
Victor, please stop interrupting tails train of thought. It derails easily enough on it's own. Also stop preaching his uselessness. He has many redeeming qualities. I'm sure Frank can think of them.


I'm torn between likening tail's "train of thought" to one of those children's rides....
Or to a gangbang....

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I think I can...I think I can...I think I can...
teedubbya Offline
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If it wasn't for rape and incest there would be no population
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teedubbya wrote:
If it wasn't for rape and incest there would be no population


Yeah.... saw that today too...
God this is the dumbest timeline....
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teedubbya wrote:
If it wasn't for rape and incest there would be no population


I imagine at some point in human history, that sentence would be true...
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victor809 wrote:
Yeah.... saw that today too...
God this is the dumbest timeline....



The Rs like to point out they take care of their own issues and point to removing his committee assignments. But it took a decade or more to do so and they forget Al Franken.

Politics is an interesting thing.
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delta1 wrote:
I imagine at some point in human history, that sentence would be true...


Very possibly. There was a time deep in our human history where our population was severely damaged (I don't recall the specifics, but if I recall the article geneticists were able to estimate the population at a specific time based on some markers shared across the globe)...
But that statement was being made to justify banning abortions from pregnancies due to rape and incest.... now... when we have 7billion people.
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victor809 wrote:
Very possibly. There was a time deep in our human history where our population was severely damaged (I don't recall the specifics, but if I recall the article geneticists were able to estimate the population at a specific time based on some markers shared across the globe)...
But that statement was being made to justify banning abortions from pregnancies due to rape and incest.... now... when we have 7billion people.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/early-human-population-size-genetic-diversity/

Here it is. We were possibly down to 18,500 breeders at one time about a million years ago.

Of course, the moron Rep Steve King is a bible basher so likely doesn't believe the earth existed 1mm years ago.
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dayum...didn't know that the idiot King uttered that...he prolly remembered some Bible passage (the Bible has several stories about rape and incest) and clung to it to justify the indefensible...he represents the failure of our representative form of governance...weak minded people keep electing weak minded people to represent them
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delta1 wrote:
dayum...didn't know that the idiot King uttered that...he prolly remembered some Bible passage (the Bible has several stories about rape and incest) and clung to it to justify the indefensible...he represents the failure of our representative form of governance...weak minded people keep electing weak minded people to represent them


It's been an amusing couple years. It isn't going to get better.
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teedubbya wrote:
Probably about the press, people being hypnotized by them, the non existent deep state, clinton kill lists, people not born here being the bane of all things wrong, and people that were born here not being born here etc.

Plenty of crazy to go around


I've not seen most of those things here, other than in jest.

I hope in jest.


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Speyside wrote:
Victor, please stop interrupting tails train of thought. It derails easily enough on it's own. Also stop preaching his uselessness. He has many redeeming qualities. I'm sure Frank can think of them.


Help me out here.
I keep forgetting.

Is victor the puppet, or the puppeteer?

I mean, do you put your hands up his azz or vice versa?




Honestly.
Victor makes a lame remark and you are right there salivating and regurgitating it.

It would be funny if it weren't so predictable.








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victor809 wrote:
There you go telling people what they think/type again.


Like a typical liberal snowflake you're just afraid to commit.

But this time you can't possibly be serious, can you?

You've posted multiple times alluding to Trump and his relationship with Epstein and therefore the "logical" conclusion that they shared fetishes.

I call you on it, and you claim I'm telling you what you think?

How about I'm just pointing out what you post?


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Tired of this story.

It's are more painful version of Epstein Barr Syndrome.
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