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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 10:13 AM EST
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The economy is strong.
You're not going to be impeached.
It looks like you're going to run unopposed in the next election. (Biden? Mayor Pete? Bloomberg? Really?)

Now do us all a favor and start reducing our National Deficit.

I don't understand how we can let $1T in debt loom over our heads.

You want to be remembered favorably in the history books?
Channel our riches to pay off our debt.
It's not glamorous.
People will complain when non-essential programs get cut.
But it's time to wear your big-boy pants and take one for the team.

Thank you.
frankj1 Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 10:16 AM EST
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it would be understandable if he waited until reelected.
Brewha Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 11:15 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
The economy is strong.
You're not going to be impeached.
It looks like you're going to run unopposed in the next election. (Biden? Mayor Pete? Bloomberg? Really?)

Now do us all a favor and start reducing our National Deficit.

I don't understand how we can let $1T in debt loom over our heads.

You want to be remembered favorably in the history books?
Channel our riches to pay off our debt.
It's not glamorous.
People will complain when non-essential programs get cut.
But it's time to wear your big-boy pants and take one for the team.

Thank you.


This should have begun with “Our Heavenly Father” and ended with “Amen”.


Btw - Trump was impeached. Or did you mean he is not going to be impeached a second time?
tailgater Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 12:50 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
This should have begun with “Our Heavenly Father” and ended with “Amen”.


Btw - Trump was impeached. Or did you mean he is not going to be impeached a second time?


You call that Pelosi witch hunt an impeachment?

The one where they had 17+ witnesses and "knew" they had the goods on Trump to git 'er done? Because they had enough "proof"?
Only to cry foul and claim they needed MORE witnesses for the Senate? Because they needed THAT "proof"? because this time it's REALLY REALLY proof positive.

The one where they pushed to move towards impeachment quickly because it was critical to our country.
Only to then delay submitting to the Senate until that witch hunt Pelosi felt the timing was right?

The one where the "proof" is hearsay?

that one?

LOL!

This is russia russia russia all over again.

It's disappointing that so many can't see that.
Speyside Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 12:53 PM EST
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I'll give an AMEN to lowering our deficit.
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 12:53 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
it would be understandable if he waited until reelected.


He won't do it.
Like Obama didn't do it.
And BushClintonBushReagan didn't do it before him.

The American voters need to DEMAND two things:
1. Term limits.
2. Eliminate the deficit.

This is a non-partisan plea to all voters.




Crazypepsidad Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 1:04 PM EST
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All political. If the Democrats were interested in the truth why didn't they take to White House to court to enforce their supeoneas?
delta1 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 2:01 PM EST
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it would have taken so much time, and then the argument of "why not let the people vote" would've been more compelling...remember McConnell used that argument in February 2015 to avoid advise and consent on a SCOTUS nomination and his peeps said he was right...GOP/cons and right leaning independents would've been ballistic if the impeachment investigation was still on-going in 2020...so Dems decided to try a fast break while WH did a four corners...


never realistic to think that the Senate would've convicted and removed, regardless...so score some political points and hope it buttresses your case for 2020...
Abrignac Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 2:08 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
it would have taken so much time, and then the argument of "why not let the people vote" would've been more compelling...remember McConnell used that argument in February 2015 to avoid advise and consent on a SCOTUS nomination and his peeps said he was right...GOP/cons and right leaning independents would've been ballistic if the impeachment investigation was still on-going in 2020...so Dems decided to try a fast break while WH did a four corners...


never realistic to think that the Senate would've convicted and removed, regardless...so score some political points and hope it buttresses your case for 2020...


The election rides on the shoulders of the undecided. We’ll have to wait and see how the kangaroo court proceedings play with those not cemented in their political persuasions.
delta1 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 2:15 PM EST
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you're right Ant, but if Trump didn't do the shady stuff, he would've been re-elected without question...he provided the opening...

seems some GOP Senators are acknowledging that
Abrignac Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 2:19 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
you're right Ant, but if Trump didn't do the shady stuff, he would've been re-elected without question...he provided the opening...

seems some RINO Senators are acknowledging that
Whistlebritches Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 2:22 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
you're right Ant, but if Trump didn't do the shady stuff, he would've been re-elected without question...he provided the opening...

seems some GOP Senators are acknowledging that



I still want the Biden's cavity searched...……..now that's some shady mother **** ers right there
izonfire Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 2:30 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I still want the Biden's cavity searched...……..now that's some shady mother **** ers right there

Amen to that
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 5:58 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I still want the Biden's cavity searched...……..now that's some shady mother **** ers right there



Maybe when they finish the Hillary investigation and lock her up they will have time.

I understand thinking there are shady mother fuckers there but to turn around and support the original orange shady dilutes things.
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 5:59 PM EST
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Wait..... how does fuckers get through but ****** van **** doesn’t?
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 6:12 PM EST
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Think


**** fuckers...

Uncle ****...
delta1 Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 6:44 PM EST
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van dykes are back in fashion now...


Think
tailgater Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 9:20 AM EST
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And this is why the deficit never gets addressed.

People literally don't care.
They'd rather rant about the lesser things being fed to them.
tailgater Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 9:20 AM EST
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But I have to try:

fuckers
frankj1 Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 12:04 PM EST
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fuckers?
frankj1 Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 12:05 PM EST
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wow.

how about ****** Nixon?
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 12:06 PM EST
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wow?
izonfire Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 12:15 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
wow?

You looking at RMAN’s azzhole???
frankj1 Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 12:31 PM EST
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no.
just his legs.
ZRX1200 Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 12:36 PM EST
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Butt high......on his legs.

Mr president is spending a lot of $. Congress is spending a lot of money. Let’s not lose sight of who controls the purse earrings and how both wings of the scheet bird love spending.
izonfire Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 12:37 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
no.
just his legs.

Did you drape them over your shoulders?
frankj1 Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 1:50 PM EST
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this a trick question?
izonfire Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 2:12 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
this a trick question?

Only if you had to pay for it...
delta1 Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Feb 3 2020, 10:26 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
He won't do it.
Like Obama didn't do it.
And BushClintonBushReagan didn't do it before him.

The American voters need to DEMAND two things:
1. Term limits.
2. Eliminate the deficit.

This is a non-partisan plea to all voters.







appreciate your effort here, tail, but I think that portion of conservative ideology, like America stands for Law and Order, have gone the way of the dodo...
MACS Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 3:08 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
it would be understandable if he waited until reelected.


Then he'd have a little more leeway, right? Am I right?
MACS Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 3:11 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
He won't do it.
Like Obama didn't do it.
And BushClintonBushReagan didn't do it before him.

The American voters need to DEMAND two things:
1. Term limits.
2. Eliminate the deficit.

This is a non-partisan plea to all voters.


We can hope, can't we? Just no hope and change... only hope this time.
USNGunner Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 4:52 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Then he'd have a little more leeway, right? Am I right?


ROTFLMMFAO! Well played MACS, well played. Applause
Brewha Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 5:17 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You call that Pelosi witch hunt an impeachment?



The Nile ain’t just wide - it’s deep too.
delta1 Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 5:21 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Then he'd have a little more leeway, right? Am I right?

but cutting the debt isn't Trump's style...his history is to rip through assets he doesn't have until he is forced into bankruptcy...

he did it four times while running his personal business, and he seems willing to do this to our country...and he doesn't have to worry about bankruptcy...not that it ever deterred him...and impeachment is like a slap on the wrist compared to bankruptcy, so if he is re-elected the dept will skyrocket...


Obama was criticized for increasing the US debt...Trump will increase the debt by about the same amount (about $5 trillion) as Obama did in his first term...
Brewha Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 5:41 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
but cutting the debt isn't Trump's style...his history is to rip through assets he doesn't have until he is forced into bankruptcy...

he did it four times while running his personal business, and he seems willing to do this to our country...and he doesn't have to worry about bankruptcy...not that it ever deterred him...and impeachment is like a slap on the wrist compared to bankruptcy, so if he is re-elected the dept will skyrocket...


Obama was criticized for increasing the US debt...Trump will increase the debt by about the same amount (about $5 trillion) as Obama did in his first term...

I’ll give credit where it is due - just to show my integrity.

Bankruptcy is one of Trumps superpowers. This man can burn through OPM and crash a business like a Zero hitting the Pacific. On fire. Screaming.

Hotels, Casinos, Trump Beef, Trump Vodka, not to mention morally bankrupt.

So, he is not totally without skills.....
MACS Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 6:07 PM EST
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In order to reduce our debt, we're gonna need to stop some entitlement programs... if we do that a lot of libs' heads will assplode.

Also need to revamp the gov't, and the way they do business and award contracts... and we also need to stop giving money to ALL countries until we're no longer at a deficit.
delta1 Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 6:23 PM EST
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the big elephant in the room, that can stand a haircut and exceeds the amount spent on entitlement programs, is defense spending...
Brewha Offline
#38 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 6:25 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
In order to reduce our debt, we're gonna need to stop some entitlement programs... if we do that a lot of libs' heads will assplode.

Also need to revamp the gov't, and the way they do business and award contracts... and we also need to stop giving money to ALL countries until we're no longer at a deficit.

Not my liberal head. Let start with corporate entitlement. We just gave them and their owners the biggest tax cut ever.
MACS Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 6:50 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Not my liberal head. Let start with corporate entitlement. We just gave them and their owners the biggest tax cut ever.


So letting people keep the money they earn is entitlement? By all accounts a lot of it is being reinvested in this here country.

But you'd rather the gov't took it and mismanaged it, like they do all of our tax dollars?

Rhetorical questions.
Brewha Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 7:19 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
So letting people keep the money they earn is entitlement? By all accounts a lot of it is being reinvested in this here country.


I truly struggle with your meaning here. Operating in the US tax free as an entitlement? You mean corporate welfare - right?

Then yes - make the bastages pay tax like us. We invest too, and more than them.



Btw - which of your entitlements would you cut to help balance the budget of our great - sorry, soon to be great country?
MACS Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 7:25 PM EST
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If their taxes are being "cut" that means they were, in fact, paying taxes.

How much do you want to pay in taxes? Like most of us... I'm sure the answer is very fkn little.
frankj1 Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 7:47 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
So letting people keep the money they earn is entitlement? By all accounts a lot of it is being reinvested in this here country.

But you'd rather the gov't took it and mismanaged it, like they do all of our tax dollars?

Rhetorical questions.

I might be wrong, this is not my long suit, but what I have heard is the cuts supposedly promised to stimulate new orders of equipment to further stimulate Made in America...initially orders increased for a couple of months and then the tax savings ended up being diverted into buying back shares...increasing the wealth of the owners/major shareholders...and much of the rest went to bonuses for doing that wealth building.

Factory orders for American equipment flattened immediately. This was the permanent part of the massive tax cut.

The part where worker bees pocket a few extra bucks each week will expire...and has led to the largest surge in deficit, unprecedented negative results in economies of strong growth.

I'll understand if this gets picked apart, I'd prefer it be from economy experts rather than Trump sycophants...numbers instead of partisanship.
delta1 Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 8:07 PM EST
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here's an article that discusses the Trump tax cuts: 1) slight benefits to average Americans 2) larger benefits to wealthiest Americans 3) largest benefits to American corporations.

Tax cuts to individuals will expire...corporate tax cuts are permanent...

down the road, average Americans will have to pay the bill for the deficits caused by these tax cuts...


https://www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghilarducci/2019/04/09/five-good-reasons-it-doesnt-feel-like-the-trump-tax-cut-benefited-you/#204f1d3213e0
MACS Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 8:11 PM EST
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Figure out which corporations benefit the most... become a shareholder.
frankj1 Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 8:16 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Figure out which corporations benefit the most... become the majority shareholder.


fify

a few share won't cause a blip on your personal financial screen
Brewha Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 8:18 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
If their taxes are being "cut" that means they were, in fact, paying taxes.

How much do you want to pay in taxes? Like most of us... I'm sure the answer is very fkn little.

I pay huge - biggly taxes - way more then the POTUS.

And they WERE paying taxes is right, now, not so much....
Brewha Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 8:24 PM EST
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And now for a little Randy Newmen....


We've taken all you've given
It's gettin' hard to make a livin'
Mr. President, have pity on the working man

We ain't asking you to love us
You may place yourself high above us
Mr. President, have pity on the working man

I know it may sound funny
But people ev'ry where are runnin' out of money
We just can't make it by ourself

It is cold and the wind is blowing
We need something to keep us gong
Mr. President, have pity on the working man

Maybe you're cheatin'
Maybe you're lyin'
Maybe you have lost your mind
Maybe you only think about yourself

Too late to run, too late to cry now
The time has come for us to say good-bye now
Mr. President, have pity on the working man
Mr. President, have pity on the working man
MACS Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 8:33 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
fify

a few share won't cause a blip on your personal financial screen


I ain't got that kinda scratch, man!
frankj1 Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 9:10 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I ain't got that kinda scratch, man!

the big guys woulda bought you out anyway.
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#50 Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2020, 9:37 PM EST
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We just need to go to war already. Need big oil to make some money.
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