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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 8:45 AM EST
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than to invite the great reverend Al Sharpton the funeral of George Floyd.
Ney, not only invite. But let him speak.

Ahh.
Can you feel the unity?
tailgater Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 8:51 AM EST
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A coworker just lost his grandmother (non covid for those keeping track).
The lack of a proper funeral prior to burial has weighed heavily on him.

I bet he thought it was OK for that crowd to gather for Mr. Floyd.

Because, you know. Justice.
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#3 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 9:09 AM EST
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The whole thing looked like he was royalty or something. Pretty big shin dig for an average citizen.
rfenst Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 9:24 AM EST
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Sharpton and Benjamin crump are the defacto spokes-people for black people right now. The only way that will change is if someone even more acceptable takes the lead and is accepted by the rest of society as well. Maybe Oprah?That would be nice.Sarcasm
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#5 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 9:28 AM EST
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Jussie Smollet, come on down!
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 9:52 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Sharpton and Benjamin crump are the defacto spokes-people for black people right now. The only way that will change is if someone even more acceptable takes the lead and is accepted by the rest of society as well. Maybe Oprah?That would be nice.Sarcasm



even more acceptable?
than Sharpton??

Any group that hitches their wagons to Sharpton doesn't deserve any respect.

And this is especially true when the issue is social division. You can't put out the fire with gasoline.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 10:00 AM EST
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gasoline is a liquid, you dummy... you're probably just not using enough...
victor809 Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 10:05 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
gasoline is a liquid, you dummy... you're probably just not using enough...


honestly... I've never thought about it, but this is likely a true statement.
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 10:18 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
even more acceptable?
than Sharpton??

Any group that hitches their wagons to Sharpton doesn't deserve any respect.

And this is especially true when the issue is social division. You can't put out the fire with gasoline.

BLM needs a new leader/spokes-person instead of Sharpton. We need someone who both blacks and whites trust. Too many non-blacks do not trust him for him to be maximally afective.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 10:59 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
gasoline is a liquid, you dummy... you're probably just not using enough...


Hold my beer....
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 11:15 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
BLM needs a new leader/spokes-person instead of Sharpton. We need someone who both blacks and whites trust. Too many non-blacks do not trust him for him to be maximally afective.


Meh. I'm not going to tell them who they need as a spokes-person.

Honestly... why should they get someone white people trust? Our involvement hasn't made it any more effective in the past.
HockeyDad Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 11:16 AM EST
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It will be different this time.
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 11:20 AM EST
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Hehe. In this performance of Charlie Brown, Lucy will be played by Le Hockey Dad.
Gene363 Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 1:21 PM EST
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Ask the Floyd family.
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#15 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 1:44 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Jussie Smollet, come on down!



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rfenst Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:28 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Meh. I'm not going to tell them who they need as a spokes-person.

Honestly... why should they get someone white people trust? Our involvement hasn't made it any more effective in the past.

I won't tell them either, I just think they need someone who is respected by everyone. Kinda, but not really, like someone of real stature like MLK was in his time. Sharpton is not trustworthy to way too many non-blacks.

(Ironically, had a dialogue with my american history professor about this very issue 30+ years ago regarding Jessy Jacson.)
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#17 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:30 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I won't tell them either, I just think they need someone who is respected by everyone. Kinda, but not really, like someone of real stature like MLK was in his time. Sharpton is not trustworthy to way too many non-blacks.


I’m thinking maybe Joe Biden.
rfenst Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:36 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I’m thinking maybe Joe Biden.

Better yet, Bill Clinton who some used to say he was the "first black" president because of his relationship with the black community and its leaders. LOL.
HockeyDad Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:38 PM EST
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Bill has some baggage and had 8 years as president to fix it.

How about Mitt Romney?
tailgater Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:40 PM EST
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Does he have binders full of them?
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:43 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Bill has some baggage and had 8 years as president to fix it.

How about Mitt Romney?

I think some people do see him as someone guided by a moral compass. But the blacks will need a better suited leader of their own.
tailgater Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:45 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I think some people do see him as someone guided by a moral compass. But the blacks will need a better suited leader of their own.


If only America had a black president in recent years.
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#23 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:48 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
If only America had a black president in recent years.




Yeah, and someone not linked to American or foreign terrorists. We can only Hope.
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#24 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:51 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I won't tell them either, I just think they need someone who is respected by everyone. Kinda, but not really, like someone of real stature like MLK was in his time. Sharpton is not trustworthy to way too many non-blacks.

(Ironically, had a dialogue with my american history professor about this very issue 30+ years ago regarding Jessy Jacson.)


I am not a historian... but I have a sneaking suspicion that MLK wasn't as well respected by white people during his time as we like to think we respected him, with the rosy glasses of history.
That doesn't mean sharpton will be thought of as the next MLK or anything... just that in 2020 we might be pretending a bit when we think of what the general white response was to MLK back when he was actually alive and leading marches.
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#25 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:54 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah, and someone not linked to American or foreign terrorists. We can only Hope.

Who else do blacks trust right now to run their show athletes and entertainers. Someone of true stature that is partly why I wrote Benjamin Crump, but he is not a chosen leader.
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#26 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 2:56 PM EST
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If the Dems win, does the black community have faith in Valerie Demons or Kamala as VP?
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#27 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 3:02 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Who else do blacks trust right now to run their show athletes and entertainers. Someone of true stature that is partly why I wrote Benjamin Crump, but he is not a chosen leader.



I'd rather them listen to KRS-One! That man is a born leader with a brain but nobody listens to him.

I'll never forget working on Alan Keyes campaign in Detroit and him taking the stage. The crowd was calling him Uncle Tom and screaming the N-word at him. I was really taken aback by that. A man that would've made a good President too.

I don't profess to know or speak for the Black community. It just seems that they want to put up the usual carpetbagger mentality people in those leadership roles that once attained their backs are turned to them and they don't get what they need. Hell, Donald Trump has done more for the Black community than Obama ever did! Look at the way he's treated. It's a $hitshow.
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#28 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 3:05 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
If the Dems win, does the black community have faith in Valerie Demons or Kamala as VP?


I'm pretty sure they would be looked as a token pick. They'd be right with that too.

The DNC is a shambles. They had 8 years to install a future leader and instead worshiped at the feet of a narcissist that gave nothing back but empty words and division.
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#29 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 3:08 PM EST
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My best guess is Biden will pick a black VP and that Obama will be seen as their leader. You know, I just like this kind of political science and stuff.
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#30 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 3:11 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
My best guess is Biden will pick a black VP and that Obama will be seen as their leader



Who he picks is important because they're going to be President if elected. 3 months into it the DNC will invoke the 25th Amendment because they will have no use for his worthless ass. "Thanks for getting us here Pops, STFU and die!"
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#31 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 3:14 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Who he picks is important because they're going to be President if elected. 3 months into it the DNC will invoke the 25th Amendment because they will have no use for his worthless ass. "Thanks for getting us here Pops, STFU and die!"

Whoa!
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#32 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 4:44 PM EST
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If he even makes it to the election......

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#33 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 6:21 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I am not a historian... but I have a sneaking suspicion that MLK wasn't as well respected by white people during his time as we like to think we respected him, with the rosy glasses of history.
That doesn't mean sharpton will be thought of as the next MLK or anything... just that in 2020 we might be pretending a bit when we think of what the general white response was to MLK back when he was actually alive and leading marches.



he was hounded by the FBI, mostly despised by the majority of white America, and ultimately assassinated, as were white contemporaries who shared some of his visions: JFK and RFK...

one of their greatest achievements, besides the Civil Rights Act was the Voting Rights Act ...the SCOTUS gutted the prime section of the act in 2013...and the current DOJ lacks the will to enforce the remaining part of it...

seems America has not changed all that much since MLK was the face of the black rights movement...
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#34 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 6:59 PM EST
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it's many years past the time to dump having Reverends speaking for an entire lumped together race of Americans being defined only by their color.
What about many different leaders from the usual spawning grounds of American success...

I have a hard time with the whole notion of "the (insert color or ethnicity here) community" when used to sum up millions of individuals.
98.2% of our posters could easily be dismissed as members of "the white community", but that would be a pathetically limited and limiting definition...as we learn daily.
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#35 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 7:15 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
he was hounded by the FBI, mostly despised by the majority of white America, and ultimately assassinated, as were white contemporaries who shared some of his visions: JFK and RFK...

one of their greatest achievements, besides the Civil Rights Act was the Voting Rights Act ...the SCOTUS gutted the prime section of the act in 2013...and the current DOJ lacks the will to enforce the remaining part of it...

seems America has not changed all that much since MLK was the face of the black rights movement...


That's sort of what I was aiming for.

I'd bet a lot of the posters on here, if they were in the early 60s (and the age they are now), would probably be complaining about how "divisive" this MLK is. Probably 98.2% of them would be agreeing with each other about how this whole civil rights thing is a buncha nonsense, things are just fine the way they are. Any of those blacks who get lynched are on the weed and other things they shouldn't be doing anyway.
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#36 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 7:43 PM EST
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his legacy seems to make him much bigger than his time...he became a leading voice for black Americans in 1963 and was killed only 5 years later...

he was a moderate successor to MalcolmX, a much more confrontational spokesperson for black America, who himself, was assassinated in 1965...MalcolmX was also surveilled and subjected to defamation by the FBI and was truly hated by white America...

any wonder why nobody wants to fill those shoes?

I nominate Kevin Hart...he's funny, small and non-threatening...or the Steve Urkel character...
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#37 Posted: Wed, Jun 10 2020, 7:43 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
That's sort of what I was aiming for.

I'd bet a lot of the posters on here, if they were in the early 60s (and the age they are now), would probably be complaining about how "divisive" this MLK is. Probably 98.2% of them would be agreeing with each other about how this whole civil rights thing is a buncha nonsense, things are just fine the way they are. Any of those blacks who get lynched are on the weed and other things they shouldn't be doing anyway.

and the proliferation of acts being recorded for the first generation of cell phone adherents are reshaping opinions.

For decades we'd hear complaints, but the reports filed disparaged the versions coming from the perps and made it look like expected white noise from guilty parties.

We the public have always formed our own opinions based on the info stimulating our senses, and it always feels like solid decisions to each of us. But we heard second and third hand bleached versions without knowing.

But now we see what we have heard claimed for decades. That's what makes recent instances possibly more effective toward true fairness for all citizens than even "good" Reverends have accomplished with fire and brimstone for over a half century.

do the Revs pay income taxes?
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#38 Posted: Thu, Jun 11 2020, 6:01 PM EST
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dunno about income taxes...

but there is still a significant number of Americans who believe our police officer's/ department's version of events over that of a minority suspect, despite the existence of video evidence seemingly showing police misconduct or criminal behavior...

coupled with "qualified immunity" and staunch activism by police unions over the past century, where the Peace Officer's Bill of Rights was created and and a pile of favorable legal decisions exist as precedent...we have an environment where very few police officers are found guilty if they are even brought into court...

uneven playing field, but America is comfortable with it like that...

until now?
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#39 Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2020, 11:49 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
uneven playing field, but America is comfortable with it like that...

until now?


It’s an election year.
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#40 Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2020, 1:45 PM EST
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We should take away voting rights from an unprotected group. People with a 2 digit IQ.
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#41 Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2020, 1:57 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
We should take away voting rights from an unprotected group. People with a 2 digit IQ.


Which two digits?
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#42 Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2020, 1:58 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Which two digits?


numbers after the decimal don't count tail.
tailgater Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2020, 2:03 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
numbers after the decimal don't count tail.


That's like telling the boyz at the Y that measuring past your first two knuckles don't count.

Didn't you call it the Do Me Decimal system?
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#44 Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2020, 2:12 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
That's like telling the boyz at the Y that measuring past your first two knuckles don't count.

Didn't you call it the Do Me Decimal system?



What are you saying? That I'm gay and can fit more than 3" in my ass?

Ok. Am I supposed to be insulted by that?

I mean.... I'd rather be gay and have what sounds like a normal sized **** than have a double digit IQ.... But you do what you need to to feel good about yourself.
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#45 Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2020, 2:21 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
What are you saying? That I'm gay and can fit more than 3" in my ass?

Ok. Am I supposed to be insulted by that?

I mean.... I'd rather be gay and have what sounds like a normal sized **** than have a double digit IQ.... But you do what you need to to feel good about yourself.


I don't think you're gay.
I mean, c'mon. How would that be an insult if you were?

I'm suggesting that you're straight.
But still take it up the azz.

If you can't see the difference, then you need to go camping with Z.


As for the double digit thingy, you once again struck out.
Asking "which two" could easily mean the first two or the last two digits from a three digit number.
The fact that you failed to recognize this says more about your IQ than any false insult you could try to muster.

But thanks for playing.
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#46 Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2020, 3:30 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I don't think you're gay.
I mean, c'mon. How would that be an insult if you were?

I'm suggesting that you're straight.
But still take it up the azz.

If you can't see the difference, then you need to go camping with Z.


As for the double digit thingy, you once again struck out.
Asking "which two" could easily mean the first two or the last two digits from a three digit number.
The fact that you failed to recognize this says more about your IQ than any false insult you could try to muster.

But thanks for playing.



Let me get this ...."straight". You are trying to claim that I am "straight", but like men sticking things up my butt. And that is an insult...
Additionally, you said first two.... keep up ... with your own statements.
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#47 Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2020, 8:58 PM EST
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I am sure glad tail isn't black...

look how pizzed he is that he wasn't allowed to go get a burger and beer...you can literally feel the anger coming off the screen

imagine the anger if he got pulled over on the way to the bar, and got proned out on the pavement...
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#48 Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2020, 9:09 PM EST
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Tail, there was some humor in your joke. It just didn't work for me. Double digits don't have 3 digits, they have 2 digits.
Now if you said stop picking on Bi people I would have found that very funny.
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#49 Posted: Sat, Jun 13 2020, 8:31 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah, and someone not linked to American or foreign terrorists. We can only Hope.

You don’t like our guy Putin America first?
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#50 Posted: Sat, Jun 13 2020, 8:43 AM EST
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I just checked the Urban dictionary to see if “tailgater” was a sex thing.

Looks a bit ambiguous. What is a Rusty Trombonist or a Dirty Sanchez?
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