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RDC Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Dec 11 2002, 4:32 AM EST
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a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

b. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

c. Colt: The original point and click interface.

d. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

e. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

g. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

h. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

i. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

j. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.

k. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

l. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

m. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

n. Guns only have two enemies: rust and liberals.

o. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

p. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

q. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

r. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

s. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.

t. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

u. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

v. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

w. Enforce the "gun control laws" we have, don't make more.

x. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

y. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

z. "...a government of the people, by the people, for the people..."
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Dec 11 2002, 1:32 PM EST
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aa)Gun Control means using both hands.
cayman2b Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Dec 11 2002, 2:46 PM EST
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Gun control means being to hit your target accurately..
cayman2b Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Dec 11 2002, 2:46 PM EST
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"being able"
Tobasco Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Dec 11 2002, 5:08 PM EST
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Great post. Mag
RobertParrott Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Dec 11 2002, 6:51 PM EST
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The Bill Of Rights didn't grant us the rights. It stated the rights that we already have as a free people!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2002, 1:17 AM EST
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correct. the constitution uses the word "inalienable" rights. that means they can't be taken unless you have an evil doer like ashcroft who has ursurped the constitutional "inalienable" right.

"The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. no rebellion and no invasion.

D Amendment 4

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. gone

Amendment 6

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. right to counsel gone.

Amendment 15
(Ratified February 3, 1870)
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude. except in florida.







jreddoch Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2002, 3:35 AM EST
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Don't forget the establishment clause.
RobertParrott Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2002, 4:14 AM EST
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http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawreview/downloads/234/docal.pdf

Check this out....interesting reading!
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2002, 8:17 AM EST
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robert

43 pages requires printing, a big pot of coffee, and a good size cigar. sheba and i will be out in the sunshine for a while, i read, she sleeps in the sun.
RobertParrott Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2002, 10:06 AM EST
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Rick, The interesting part is the fact that our gun rights were based on the early laws of England, where it's not legal to own a hand gun and other guns are regulated to the point where it's not worth the trouble. And your right, coffee and a Long cigar. I still haven't read all of it, but that's what the favorites mark is for. boB
cwilhelmi Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2002, 7:56 PM EST
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Robert - That was a good, albeit long, read. I found it very interesting and informative, and I also have ahankering to buy another handgun so its applicable.

Anyone have and thoughts on the Sig p226 in 357 SIG caliber? I love Sig and have the p220 .45, but want another and I'm unsure between the 9mm and the 357 SIG.

Sorry for the threadjack, but it's kind of applicable...
C
CulleyJC52 Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2002, 10:22 PM EST
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Sure Gun Control

I belong to Sportman Club, we do Bow, pistols, rifle, my only indulgence is Black Powder, there is about 25 of use each Sunday shoot for six inch target, one inch bulls eye at 50 yards, with inaccurate percussion cap black powder civil war rifle. Sure I want gun control of the automatic weapons, but, raking away hand guns will not solve crime.
arbn2/505 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Dec 12 2002, 10:29 PM EST
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cwilhelmi:

You already have a handgun with some serious stopping power, I would go with the 9mm or a .40 for some fun fast accurate shooting on the range. The .357 is more of a revolver round in my opinion, you get a nice 6" barrel S&W and you got yourself a mini-sniper. Gotta luv all the Sigs though...did you know if get the ones made here in the states (SIGARMS) you save some $$$?
RobertParrott Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Dec 13 2002, 3:24 AM EST
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Culley, We have gun control on automatic wepons, you need a permit from the government to own one. Or did you meen SEMI-automatic wepons? If thats the case then you need to read about some problems in England related to the disarmament of the people. You see the thugs and crooks now know that the people can't be armed.
I read that the prime minister of Japan in WW2, was asked after the war, why they didn't attack the west coast of the US after they destroyed Pearl Harbor. He said that they knew all americans have guns, that we have lots of target shooting matches and that would have made an attack impossible.
cwilhelmi Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Dec 13 2002, 11:48 AM EST
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arbn2.. - Mine is a SIGARMS, and I got it through a police supply for a great price. The reason I ask about the 357 Sig caliber is because I've heard so many good things about it, but I'd like to talk to someone that's shot it to get more info.

I don't want to buy a revolver right now, and I'm stuck on Sig so I'm pretty much looking for the P226. Just not sure on the caliber yet...

Thanks, C
rayder1 Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Dec 13 2002, 7:52 PM EST
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I just started leading a 4H project this year....Shooting Sports. It is pretty big in some states. I'll have the first Shooting sports group in Fresno County. Shaping young minds.

Actually my focus is safety, awareness, knowlege, safety, confidence, safety, respect and competition. I had a great turnout for my 1st couple meetings. Going to get NRA grant funding and purchase some competition air guns. This will be a fun project for the kids.
nato308 Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Dec 15 2002, 10:06 PM EST
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Self loading military type rifles are my passion, with the FAL being my favorite. I do not keep a weapon that will not put at least 10 out of 20 rounds in a 1 inch circle at 100 yards, using open sights. A heavy barrel FAL I sold when I needed some cash would put 19 out of the 20 into a 3/4 inch group at 100 yds (the rifle was just too dam* heavy).
THL Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2002, 10:32 AM EST
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A 9mm is fine. If you go to the shows you can get tons of stuff for the 9mm. Put the right round in it,(Starfires or Hydra-shocks) and they have plenty of stopping power. The Nazis chose the 9mm as the best combination of lethality and economy after extensive testing. Any guesses as to what their tests entailed?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2002, 11:50 AM EST
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THL,

I dunno but I bet they spoke Spanish!
THL Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2002, 12:09 PM EST
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And various other "inferior" languages.
Tobasco Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2002, 12:10 PM EST
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cwilhelmi, Sigs are great quality. I dont own one though. A buddy has a Sig 9mm that Ive shot. It feels Great! If you are into reloading yourself like I am. You may check out what components like shells,primers,etc go for. I know when that Gun(357Sig) first came out, ammo was more expensive than other more common rounds.
I have a Berretta 9mm thats pretty nice! Reliable too.
components for reloading are cheap. Go to gun shows if they are in your area. You find better deals there than in a gun store. Much more selection & competition.

Well thats my 2cents. Happy Shooting!

Mag
cwilhelmi Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2002, 1:13 PM EST
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Mag where do you go shooting, I need to take my .45 out and shoot some rounds...

I'm in SF if you forgot...
Tobasco Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2002, 5:04 PM EST
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cwilhelmi, I go to Target Masters in Milpitas or Reeds Indoor range in Santa Clara. What Brand is your .45 ? I'd like to own a .45 Colt. There are so many trick Items for that gun.
Right now I have 9mm Berretta,King Cobra 357Mag,Browning Buckmark .22 Target Pistol, Berreta .22 flip up barrel,Rugar Mini 14(.223)Rifle,Rugar 10/22 Rifle, Mossberg shotgun W/3 Barrels,and a really old sigle shot 22mag Rifle I got from my Father In Law 23yrs ago. Happy Shooting. Maybe we can meet somewhere an shoot together!

Mag
jamesconnors Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2002, 6:35 PM EST
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i own the sig 226 .40cal great gun
payed 900$
Tobasco Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2002, 8:10 PM EST
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jamesconnors, Must be nice! Id like a .40 caliber. I'll have to be satisfied with what I have for a while. My wife has been keeping me on a short leash when it come to any new firearms.
I also have a beautiful Liberty Safe. Its got a finish nicer than most cars! Burgundy W/gold pistriping. 5ft tall & 2ft x 2ft.All gold harware!

Mag
RknRmnd Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2002, 8:49 PM EST
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Great Subject! Personally I was always interested in knowing about guns but figured I was better off without one. Until that day when the unforseen & unexpected happens to you, maybe some of you will still be against handguns. Not going to elaborate here and now but own a Glock .40 and Raven .25 Don't kid yourself, gun control is all about control, but what is being controlled here is another liberty!
RJ
cwilhelmi Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2002, 6:42 AM EST
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Mag - My .45 is a Sig P220. Paid $600 through a police supply store.
THL Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2002, 7:17 AM EST
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I've fired both the P226 and the Berretta 92FS extensively. The Sig is my brother's and I own the Berretta. Both are excellent. IMHO if you're going to carry concealed, go with the Sig. If you want a sidearm that will take all the punishment you can give it and never jam, go with the Berretta. Mine has fired 5000+ rounds and never jammed once!
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