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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 8:35 AM EST
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15/us/breonna-taylor-louisville-settlement/index.html

The more I see on this story, the more disgusted I am with how a system could allow a no-knock warrant to the potential girlfriends residence during a drug investigation.


opelmanta1900 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 8:43 AM EST
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this happened in Texas as well... but the victims were white...

Cops lied about a confidential informant who never existed buying heroin from a residence... that secured the warrant, cops kicked in the door and shot a couple to death...

Happens more frequently than most people know...
Buckwheat Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 8:49 AM EST
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Yeah, it's pretty bad. No amount of $ can replace a life.

I live in Louisville and I just hope that they change things in our police department (that's been chit for a while). horse

No knock warrants should be banded nationwide IMO. I think bad outweighs the good on them. I'm surprised that more police officers aren't shot during these. fog
opelmanta1900 Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 8:51 AM EST
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from my understanding, the big thing with no knocks is trying to avoid drug flushing... there's gotta be something that can be done other than kicking people's doors down at 3am...
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 8:52 AM EST
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^ your favorite politician introduced a bill against no knock warrants but the “good guys” didn’t want the Breonna Taylor Bill. He’s been against no-knocks for a long time....
rfenst Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 9:42 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
from my understanding, the big thing with no knocks is trying to avoid drug flushing... there's gotta be something that can be done other than kicking people's doors down at 3am...

Officer safety is also be an important factor in obtaining no-knock warrants.
victor809 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 9:48 AM EST
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The worst part is the taxpayers have to pay it. Not the police department. Zero actual repercussions to the police for poor decision making.
Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 10:05 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
from my understanding, the big thing with no knocks is trying to avoid drug flushing... there's gotta be something that can be done other than kicking people's doors down at 3am...


Maybe, just maybe we should stop the stupid and pointless "War on Drugs". America has some of the strictest drug laws while also having some of the highest rates of drug addiction. Something doesn't add up there. fog
bgz Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 10:07 AM EST
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^ this.

Sadly too much money in the the war on drugs game.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 10:16 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Officer safety is also be an important factor in obtaining no-knock warrants.

Why is it less safe to knock, announce yourself as police, then kick the door in? That makes zero sense to me...

If I'm running a drug house and someone kicks the door in, ima open fire... if i know for fact it's cops kicking the door in, there's a slight chance I don't open fire because they would be the only people I'd expect to kick my door in and not murder me... i would assume anyone else who isn't the police is fixing to murder me right out the gate...
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 10:16 AM EST
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depends on the drug.... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 10:18 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Why is it less safe to knock, announce yourself as police, then kick the door in? That makes zero sense to me...

If I'm running a drug house and someone kicks the door in, ima open fire... if i know for fact it's cops kicking the door in, there's a slight chance I don't open fire because they would be the only people I'd expect to kick my door in and not murder me... i would assume anyone else who isn't the police is fixing to murder me right out the gate...



and if what 98.2% of the "law abiding" (in their minds at least) citizens here say is true, they'd likely be opening fire on someone kicking the door in at 3am as well.
victor809 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 10:20 AM EST
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honestly... "no knock" entrances only sound safe if no one inside has any guns.
If you have the right house, they're gonna shoot because someone kicked down their door and they're criminals.
If you have the wrong house, and they have guns, they're gonna shoot because they have no reason to think the people kicking down their door are anything other than criminals.
gummy jones Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 10:27 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
The worst part is the taxpayers have to pay it. Not the police department. Zero actual repercussions to the police for poor decision making.


bingo
Buckwheat Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 10:31 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
The worst part is the taxpayers have to pay it. Not the police department. Zero actual repercussions to the police for poor decision making.


The "Taxpayer" in this case is me! ram27bat
RayR Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 10:35 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
The worst part is the taxpayers have to pay it. Not the police department. Zero actual repercussions to the police for poor decision making.


The taxpayers always pay the bill for stupid and evil government policies. These policies and Gestapo-like tactics started way above the local police departments. The endless drug war has been highly profitable for bureaucrats, lobbyists and their cronies in D.C. and the militarizing of local police departments, authorizing “no‐​knock” SWAT raids and civil asset forfeiture have sure had their corrupting influence.
victor809 Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 11:00 AM EST
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^ that's about the only smart thing I've seen ray post.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 11:26 AM EST
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He was apparently saving up all his stupid for this gem:

RayR wrote:
This is all part of Bernie Sanders population control plan to cure climate change plan, Biden is full onboard with Bernie and his communist manifesto now in an attempt to win the support of Bernie's extreme far lefty proles. A vote for Biden is a vote for forced sterilization and eugenics.
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 11:48 AM EST
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Wow... that's.... dumb
RayR Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 11:54 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
^ that's about the only smart thing I've seen ray post.


I don't know what to say Victor...any compliment from you causes me to pause and reflect.
It almost seems unnatural. Angel
RayR Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 12:02 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
He was apparently saving up all his stupid for this gem:




I didn't know you were a Bernie/Biden fan. Did I make you feel insulted?Smile
delta1 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 1:00 PM EST
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common thread?

cops lied and acted unreasonably...Americans deserve and expect better from our law enforcers...that's why a buncha peeps have been out in the streets carrying signs around the US for a bit...

most law enforcement authorities say it is only a few bad cops that commit acts of brutality, that the vast majority of their officers are good, honest practitioners...if so, then the culture of protection must change and the good guys must police and call out the bad ones...
Buckwheat Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 1:03 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
common thread?

cops lied and acted unreasonably...Americans deserve and expect better from our law enforcers...that's why a buncha peeps have been out in the streets carrying signs around the US for a bit...

most law enforcement authorities say it is only a few bad cops that commit acts of brutality, that the vast majority of their officers are good, honest practitioners...if so, then the culture of protection must change and the good guys must police and call out the bad ones...


+1 fog
ZRX1200 Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 1:15 PM EST
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Police are granted special leeway and with that should come some responsibility. Again....this should have been a trial.

If I cause a wreck in a company vehicle their insurance is going to cover costs but they aren’t going to pay any ticket I get, and I would get counseling/written up/fired depending on the fault and severity.

No knocks are dangerous for all.

Catching flushed drugs is not more important than life period. No knocks should only be used if someone’s life is in direct danger of harm.
Smooth light Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 1:32 PM EST
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Let's go back to water 💦 pistols
Not loaded with foreign substances either (bleach, acid,etc...,).
Money and control, you got what I want or shut up who cares about you.
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