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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Nov 26 2020, 9:42 PM EST
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It would be nice if we could keep this civil.

President Trump in my mind had some major accomplishments.

He lowered corporate taxes. They were to high and we lost many jobs because of them being to high.

He took us out of NAFTA, and negotiated a far better deal. He would not enter in to a bad deal, the Pacific Rim deal. He stood up to China, it hurts right now, but it is the right move.

He started operation warp speed. He bet on unproven vaccines big time at it looks like a very astute move.

He dreamed big, that hasn't happened in a long time. Space force. Silly goal? Lots of people thought landing on the moon was a silly goal. Lots of people thought Reagans star wars was a silly idea. We are America, dream big.

He found a way to break gridlock and used it. He put 2 constitutionalists on SCOTUS. I am not sure about the 3rd yet.

The stock market rose to a record high on his watch. Oh, yah, he is using the legal system to address his grievances. It's his right to do so.

Even if you perceive many problems with him as I do, at least acknowledge what he did that was good.
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Nov 26 2020, 10:14 PM EST
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Regulatory and federal judges we’re probably his top two, then foreign policy.
Smooth light Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Nov 26 2020, 11:44 PM EST
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Transparity in exposing the DC swamp thing,how to fight dem-doga, censorship of fake news (the news makes it self,not them).

Almost forgot:showed us what AMERICA EXCEPTIONALISM is.

PS. now let the backbiting begin resistors corp.
Dg west deptford Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 1:16 AM EST
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Embassy in Jerusalem! Peace in The middle east, death to ISIS & the caliphate, put an to appeasement of the mullahs , rocket man stopped in his tracks, The border, illegal immagration, criminal justice reform & brought manufacturing back to name a few more.

Apart from the justice appointments though his biggest accomplishment may be exposing the deep state, corrupt media, greedy swamp politicians owned by big tech, big pharma & socialist, Marxist agenda of the globalist elites who hate America & God.

Sadly it appears many wouldn't humble themselves to open their eyes & read between the tweets.

Now we may face policies of regressivism again. Iran & north korea will be allowed to rise again, isis will be revived, our military will be weakened again, Isreal will be treated the Omar says & America will suffer the consequences of fools who believe government is the answer when the truth is big government is the problem.
There's still hope!
Thank God for Hope, Mercy & Grace!
rfenst Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 2:32 AM EST
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I think Trump did well for us in so many ways. But, getting the opportunity to appoint three supreme court justices is purely a matter of luck. Appointing "constitutionalist" judges and justices requires no particular skill either. Hell, all you have to do is confirm they are members of the federalist society and let McConnell do the rest. Lol. Filling all the vacancies is going to take some work and will certainly be his lasting legacy in the law.
bgz Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 8:44 AM EST
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Trump did well at showing how easily it is to manipulate the mob...

Truck nuts and carbon exaust make more sense to me now.

Thinking of the next stupid idea to make the qtards wet... I want to be the one selling it... I'm thinking some anti-commie spray or some sh*t... might be able to get it in to cabellas.
tonygraz Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 8:56 AM EST
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RayR Online
#8 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 9:06 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
Trump did well at showing how easily it is to manipulate the mob...

Truck nuts and carbon exaust make more sense to me now.

Thinking of the next stupid idea to make the qtards wet... I want to be the one selling it... I'm thinking some anti-commie spray or some sh*t... might be able to get it in to cabellas.


I'm working on inventing the anti-commie spray now. The roadblock is the difficulty of injecting intelligence and common sense to defeat the impulses of wanting to be a soulless pawn on the road to a socialist paradise that can never exist.
Mr. Jones Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 9:24 AM EST
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He didn't finish the "GREENLIGHT ORDER FROM OBAMA/ COMEY / & BIDEN" GIVEN AT THE OCCIDENTAL GRILL IN 2013/14...

THANK YOU DONALD J. TRUMP...
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 11:32 AM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
He didn't finish the "GREENLIGHT ORDER FROM OBAMA/ COMEY / & BIDEN" GIVEN AT THE OCCIDENTAL GRILL IN 2013/14...


that's what I was gonna say!
delta1 Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 6:47 PM EST
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enabling white supremacists among us, he exposed the racist nature of many Americans, aggravating that divided wound in our collective soul...prolly facing up to our true nature is a good thing

he breathed temporary life back into big oil and big business while setting back environmental protection gains made over the past 50 years (since Nixon's EPA) fouling our air and water...helped the DJIA and Wall Street

Trump's ascension was the ticket to the McConnell Reign of Terror...it is he who is responsible to the generational shift in the US judiciary...we'll know in about a decade how far to the right, especially towards corporate rights as opposed to individual/citizen/customer rights, we've shifted...individual freedoms be damned, but cons will get to watch libs lose in court more than they win


MAGA...Americans hate "political correctness/civility" and love to be like Archie Bunker: "blunt, unfiltered 'straight' talking" idgaf attitude...millions of Americans have discovered their inner Archies and feel liberated...

good thing the pandemic happened...mighta prevented a "civil war"
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#12 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 7:33 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
enabling white supremacists among us, he exposed the racist nature of many Americans, aggravating that divided wound in our collective soul...prolly facing up to our true nature is a good thing

he breathed temporary life back into big oil and big business while setting back environmental protection gains made over the past 50 years (since Nixon's EPA) fouling our air and water...helped the DJIA and Wall Street

Trump's ascension was the ticket to the McConnell Reign of Terror...it is he who is responsible to the generational shift in the US judiciary...we'll know in about a decade how far to the right, especially towards corporate rights as opposed to individual/citizen/customer rights, we've shifted...individual freedoms be damned, but cons will get to watch libs lose in court more than they win


MAGA...Americans hate "political correctness/civility" and love to be like Archie Bunker: "blunt, unfiltered 'straight' talking" idgaf attitude...millions of Americans have discovered their inner Archies and feel liberated...

good thing the pandemic happened...mighta prevented a "civil war"



Well, it was during the Obama era, and with his appointments, that Citizens United was ruled on by the SCOTUS.
Thanks Obama.
delta1 Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 7:56 PM EST
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Only one of Obama's appointees was on the SCOTUS when the Citizen's United decision was handed down...and Soto-Mayor dissented...Kagan was appointed later in Obama's term...

Obama even chided the SCOTUS, looking directly at Chief Justice Roberts, who frowned and shook his head, for that decision during one of his SOTU speeches

not Obama's fault...blame it on GWB
Speyside Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 8:32 PM EST
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Benjamins and votes. What else matters to a politician?
clintCigar Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 11:40 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
good thing the pandemic happened...mighta prevented a "civil war"

You really believe this?
calavera Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 8:54 AM EST
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By far his most useful contribution to the world was not being re-elected.




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Whistlebritches Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 1:07 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:



MAGA...Americans hate "political correctness/civility" and love to be like Archie Bunker: "blunt, unfiltered 'straight' talking" idgaf attitude...millions of Americans have discovered their inner Archies and feel liberated...



"Shut up Meathead"

Signed Archie Bunker
Krazeehorse Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 1:15 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
he exposed the racist nature of many Americans


Both white and black.
Smooth light Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 1:16 PM EST
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Now now Edith.
RayR Online
#20 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 2:56 PM EST
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Political correctness states that only white peoples can be racists...If you dare think any other way, you're a fascist and should be censored. That Trump enabled the white supremacists among us, he enabled big oil and big business to poison the earth and take away our individual/citizen/customer rights.
That is goodthink. It's the height of civility to only think one way. Then our collective soul will be healed.
delta1 drank the kool-aid, he knows.
delta1 Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 4:29 PM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
Both white and black.



yes...


there is a power dynamic in two way racism...the "winners" are those with the most power
Smooth light Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 5:49 PM EST
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The finish line is; we all cross it together. Racism only slows us down in the race to the line.

Power is just an illusion.
Speyside Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 7:30 PM EST
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Al, there are racists of every race and culture. There is black on black racism, ask a Tutsi if you can find one. Ask a Jew. Ask a Syrian. Genocide is not color coordinated.
Smooth light Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 8:49 PM EST
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GRAND ILLUSION
Welcome, come inside, come inside,
Let all take a look and see, what we can see.
tonygraz Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 7:54 AM EST
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trump's followers paid 3 million $ for a recount of 2 Wisconsin counties - one is done and they found more Biden votes than previously. Keep contributing, it mostly goes to a PAC that he can use later.
Speyside Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 10:19 AM EST
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Americans paid 3M, that does not neccesarily mean they are Trump followers. Also a better choice of words would be Trump supporters. I am a Trump follower, though not a Trump supporter. I want to know what he does so I follow in that manner. I do have one question, what did they do by donating that was illegal?
bgz Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 10:38 AM EST
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Racism is a subset of prejudice... to prejudge.

If you are a racist, you are making determination based on the color of their skin or geographical origin alone. I don't think that's what most people truly are though, even though that's the word we give it. A true racists thinks that color alone (or geographic origin) dictates superiority. This day in age, it's stupid to be a racist (though I know plenty of them)... science disproved that sh*t.

I think most people are actually culturalists...

Where the color of the skin is a part of it, but also taken into account is the outward appearance of their clothing, mannerisms, etc...

We all prejudge... all of us, without exception... but I don't think everyone is a "racist", though they certainly do exist.

Also, to prejudge doesn't necessarily imply negative connotations, but a combination of anticipated traits based on historical experiences.
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#28 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 11:05 AM EST
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Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 11:24 AM EST
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Apples are as tasty as oranges.
tonygraz Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 11:27 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Americans paid 3M, that does not neccesarily mean they are Trump followers. Also a better choice of words would be Trump supporters. I am a Trump follower, though not a Trump supporter. I want to know what he does so I follow in that manner. I do have one question, what did they do by donating that was illegal?


I thought I saw you lagging behind him at the golf course.
RayR Online
#31 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 11:37 AM EST
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Walter E. Williams has written and talked about Discrimination and Prejudice

http://walterewilliams.com/discrimination-and-prejudice/

https://youtu.be/ZksncS2o7d0
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 11:41 AM EST
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Axl wrote that man... Mellow
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 12:14 PM EST
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I heard that he pardoned a turkey.
Brewha Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 12:19 PM EST
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Rodger Stone?
tonygraz Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 3:40 PM EST
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or Flynn ?
bgz Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 4:04 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Walter E. Williams has written and talked about Discrimination and Prejudice

http://walterewilliams.com/discrimination-and-prejudice/

https://youtu.be/ZksncS2o7d0



That was worth reading.
Whistlebritches Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 4:46 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
That was worth reading.



Anything Walter William's pens is worth reading.IMHO he is one of the most insightful conservative/libertarian minds among us.
delta1 Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 5:13 PM EST
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Williams wrote that prejudice and discrimination are acceptable and normal forms of behavior we all engage in to save time and costs. True.

He also acknowledges that when it occurs, one side benefits and the other is harmed.

In a large and complex society such as ours, prejudice and discrimination is expected and normal, even among large groups and organizations, which leads to systemic discrimination. Those discriminated against are harmed.
RayR Online
#39 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 6:56 PM EST
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When your typical politician sees discrimination in some area of life, they might seek to institute ill conceived laws to correct it, calling for fairness, diversity, equity and inclusion. The social justice warriors battle cry.

This recent article by Walter Williams calls Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Nonsense.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/09/walter-e-williams/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-nonsense/
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#40 Posted: Mon, Nov 30 2020, 11:48 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
When your typical politician sees discrimination in some area of life, they might seek to institute ill conceived laws to correct it, calling for fairness, diversity, equity and inclusion. The social justice warriors battle cry.

This recent article by Walter Williams calls Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Nonsense.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/09/walter-e-williams/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-nonsense/




RayRay, I never heard of this man till you posted that link, He seems like a reasonable thinker... I must say I think he found a new fan.

I'm a huge proponent of better education in our society (no I don't think it involves spamming charter schools... my wife used to be a teacher, she has very convincing arguments why they are trash that I'm not going to go into now).

Unlike many others though, with the advent of the internet I see positive change coming as the collective of human knowledge is literally at the fingertips of almost all Americans. So I'm actually optimistic about the future of our species. Anyway, I tend to agree with the position that over time with better education, you'll start to see more minorities in hard sciences.

In my graduating class, I believe I was the only Native, there were quite a few Russians, quite a few Middle Easterners, and no shortage of Asians. There were relatively few American citizens (whites included).
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#41 Posted: Mon, Nov 30 2020, 9:04 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
When your typical politician sees discrimination in some area of life, they might seek to institute ill conceived laws to correct it, calling for fairness, diversity, equity and inclusion. The social justice warriors battle cry.

This recent article by Walter Williams calls Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Nonsense.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/09/walter-e-williams/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-nonsense/




can't limit your view to only an American perspective...we are part of a larger world and can continue to lead by engaging with everybody else.... or regress by isolationism...


I disagree with him. Globalization is a natural phenomena that began with the human species....the world is getting smaller and less homogenous...so diversity is well underway throughout the world...and the last serious effort to contain it led to a devastating world war...proof that humankind values diversity over homogeneity...

survival of the race, which is exemplified in aggregate human endeavors, like WHO, and the UN, that seek to make a better future and to sustain our species and preserve the environment has a basic premise of equity of all people...

democracy seems to be a growing and predominant form of government and it'll eventually become the primary way that people govern themselves...inclusiveness is a foundation of that form of government...
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#42 Posted: Mon, Nov 30 2020, 9:16 PM EST
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^^ Well said.
RayR Online
#43 Posted: Mon, Nov 30 2020, 11:15 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
can't limit your view to only an American perspective...we are part of a larger world and can continue to lead by engaging with everybody else.... or regress by isolationism...


I disagree with him. Globalization is a natural phenomena that began with the human species....the world is getting smaller and less homogenous...so diversity is well underway throughout the world...and the last serious effort to contain it led to a devastating world war...proof that humankind values diversity over homogeneity...

survival of the race, which is exemplified in aggregate human endeavors, like WHO, and the UN, that seek to make a better future and to sustain our species and preserve the environment has a basic premise of equity of all people...

democracy seems to be a growing and predominant form of government and it'll eventually become the primary way that people govern themselves...inclusiveness is a foundation of that form of government...


OMG! Yer a globalist? Like a One World Gubment centralizing freak? The WHO and UN socialists are going to make the world all rainbow and unicorns? The people are gong to govern themselves with democracy!? OH! I think I'm going to throw up!BARF! The next thing you're going to say is you are cheering on the Great Reset!

https://youtu.be/oQxaGm7eK4U
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bgz Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Dec 4 2020, 9:50 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
OMG! Yer a globalist? Like a One World Gubment centralizing freak? The WHO and UN socialists are going to make the world all rainbow and unicorns? The people are gong to govern themselves with democracy!? OH! I think I'm going to throw up!BARF! The next thing you're going to say is you are cheering on the Great Reset!

https://youtu.be/oQxaGm7eK4U




You do realize that a global government is inevitable don't you?

It will happen, maybe not in our lifetimes, but it will. Burying your head in the sand and talking crap isn't going to change it.

Like I said in another post... as technology advances, our world gets smaller. There's nothing you can do about it.

Your fighting for ideals that were created for a world ran by horse and buggies...

(Just so you know, I'm not arguing for a one world government, I just see the writing on the wall).
RayR Online
#46 Posted: Fri, Dec 4 2020, 12:39 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
You do realize that a global government is inevitable don't you?

It will happen, maybe not in our lifetimes, but it will. Burying your head in the sand and talking crap isn't going to change it.

Like I said in another post... as technology advances, our world gets smaller. There's nothing you can do about it.

Your fighting for ideals that were created for a world ran by horse and buggies...

(Just so you know, I'm not arguing for a one world government, I just see the writing on the wall).


No I don't believe it's inevitable that as technology advances that we'll live under a global communist Borg government.
Fighting for the ideals of liberty is perpetual. Sic semper tyrannis

Do you like this freak show?
Hillary Clinton, Walter Cronkite and One World Government

https://youtu.be/yKCVXR6sV0g
bgz Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Dec 4 2020, 2:03 PM EST
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What happens when we have civilizations on the moon, mars, titan, etc...?

Then what?
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#48 Posted: Fri, Dec 4 2020, 2:29 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
OMG! Yer a globalist? Like a One World Gubment centralizing freak? The WHO and UN socialists are going to make the world all rainbow and unicorns? The people are gong to govern themselves with democracy!? OH! I think I'm going to throw up!BARF! The next thing you're going to say is you are cheering on the Great Reset!

https://youtu.be/oQxaGm7eK4U








It could manifest itself in myriad ways...one model is like the United States, where sovereign countries ally themselves for trade, protection and mutual benefit, like the states do now while making the whole greater than the sum of its parts...we're seeing it now in the EU, which elevates each nation in the pact in ways greater than when they were individual states fending for themselves...yet they still keep their individual identities and their sovereignty...there will continue to be nationalistic pride, tribalism like what exists among and within the populations of the states today...that human trait has persisted since the beginning and it's hard to imagine that disappearing

but those that don't choose to join the pan-national league will slowly be left behind...

imagine any state choosing to secede from the US...do you think it'll be better off? can it survive?
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