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RobertHively Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 9:37 AM EST
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Corporate media...

It's almost like they all get the same talking points and stuff.

Nah, couldn't happen here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rbHpA_6W4
RayR Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 10:58 AM EST
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Just a bunch of automatons spouting canned slogans, platitudes and clichés.
At the same time they report biased and fake news, even censoring content.
Not that there is anything unusual about news being biased, everyone has a bias and news has always been biased going back to the the old republic, yes even before TV, radio and the Internet. Some people then thought it was a threat to the republic, now they tell us it is a threat to "our democracy". If you don't have a bias, you don't have a foundation from which you can logically or even illogically try to explain your point of view.

The real threat is stupid people who put up with or even cheer on blatant dishonest propaganda and gagging free speech as happens on Facebook, Google, Twitter, or TV news channels.


bgz Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 11:07 AM EST
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You don't think us having a foot stomping, temper tantrum throwing, whiney little b*tch azz leader is bad for the country?

He's an embarrassment, if you don't see it, you're delusional.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 11:21 AM EST
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“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,


Think
tonygraz Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 11:36 AM EST
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Whoever said that was pretty much spot on - tho it was probably meant for a closer election.
RayR Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 12:13 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
You don't think us having a foot stomping, temper tantrum throwing, whiney little b*tch azz leader is bad for the country?

He's an embarrassment, if you don't see it, you're delusional.


He has every right to be a "foot stomping, temper tantrum throwing, whiney little b*tch azz leader" if that's the way he communicates. Is he an embarrassment to you personally? Not to me, I'm not a nationalist, da President doesn't represent me, they never have in my lifetime for sure. I don't give a damn what any of them say, I'm only concerned about what they did in concert with the other gubment branches to further damage the republic, which impacts me and my family, and which none of them have failed to deliver.
I don't suppose Biden/Harris will disappoint either if they are coronated, I'm sure they'll try to inflict further damage to the republic in spades if their stated plans are a potential guide.
Smooth light Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 1:16 PM EST
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Wait till he moves across the street and lives in his hotel.

hehe
bgz Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 4:10 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
He has every right to be a "foot stomping, temper tantrum throwing, whiney little b*tch azz leader" if that's the way he communicates. Is he an embarrassment to you personally? Not to me, I'm not a nationalist, da President doesn't represent me, they never have in my lifetime for sure. I don't give a damn what any of them say, I'm only concerned about what they did in concert with the other gubment branches to further damage the republic, which impacts me and my family, and which none of them have failed to deliver.
I don't suppose Biden/Harris will disappoint either if they are coronated, I'm sure they'll try to inflict further damage to the republic in spades if their stated plans are a potential guide.


True... and we the people have the right to vote his azz out if we don't agree with his conduct. That's our right... that's the one he's sh*tting all over right now... but not the only one he's blatantly sh*t on.

Yes... I know, all politicians are sh*tty, but this one is particularly sh*tty... too much for my liking anyway.
delta1 Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 6:14 PM EST
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wonder if any of the Trump followers here actually believe Trump's repeated statements that he has evidence of massive voter fraud and proof that the election was rigged and stolen from him...

he has lied to them, and all of us, repeatedly, and yet they still trust him...

fitting bookends to his presidency: "the biggest crowd in the history of inaugurations" .... "massive voter fraud stole this election from me"


both demonstrably false...along with a whole lotta garbage in between
RayR Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 7:23 PM EST
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You don't have to be a Trump follower to smell the voter fraud, if you don't smell the stink, get some decongestant, you probably have the COVID sniffles
Speyside Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Nov 30 2020, 9:44 PM EST
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Pleasssssssse, show 1 scrap of evidence. I mean this. Lies are not evidence. Opinions are not evidence. Newspaper clippings are not evidence, please tell that to Rudy. Innuendo is not evidence. I am still waiting to see 1 scrap of evidence. Pleassssssse, point out any evidence.

Oh, BTW, if you live in Georgia, the election was stolen from Trump by high ranking state Republicans. Represent, show those thieves your power. Don't vote in the run offs.
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Nov 30 2020, 10:21 PM EST
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Ask any lawyer... sworn affidavits of impropriety = evidence. Admissible in a court of law.

Sworn testimony of data analyst experts that say what we have seen is statistically improbable = evidence. Admissible in a court of law.

Ignoring those 2 pertinent facts because you like the outcome of the "election" does not mean that fraud did not occur. Those 2 things have been submitted... and they are, in fact, evidence.
Krazeehorse Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Nov 30 2020, 10:53 PM EST
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Back to the OP. I agree, we are in trouble when the press becomes an arm of the government rather than a check on it.
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Nov 30 2020, 11:13 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Ask any lawyer... sworn affidavits of impropriety = evidence. Admissible in a court of law.

Sworn testimony of data analyst experts that say what we have seen is statistically improbable = evidence. Admissible in a court of law.

Ignoring those 2 pertinent facts because you like the outcome of the "election" does not mean that fraud did not occur. Those 2 things have been submitted... and they are, in fact, evidence.

it's all pretty much been entered in every court case and laughed at...remember, what you are reading as their "case" may not even be what they believed and submitted when they got to real court as opposed to the court of trump supporter public opinion. It's Rudy! C'mon man.

that statistic thing...yeah, that has a long history of proving nothing in court. It's not a fact, it's a reach.

MACS, I tell ya this because I love ya...it's not only over, but the recounts are making it even worse. The margins for Biden have increased today.

Stop the bleeding.
So many of the election overseers, the state AG's, the Trump appointed Federal Judges (!) are telling you this is not just a loss in court, it's an attack on our system without any merit. Trump Judges are getting pizzed off at the insult.

A broken nation needs healing. We vote again in 4 years, unless an act of tyranny rips apart our way of life.
Smooth light Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Nov 30 2020, 11:43 PM EST
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Trying to put a band-aid on a wound that needs stitches. Ain't going to work.

We learn from scars of abuse, won't get fooled again.
MACS Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 9:03 AM EST
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Frank, I appreciate that. I'm resigned to the fact we're likely stuck with a lying, blithering idiot and his evil, tramp consort.

That said, if people are testifying under penalty of perjury that fraud took place and data analysts believe it to be true based on what they've seen, I want that sh*t addressed and fixed... whether or not it changes the outcome (which I believe it will not).
bgz Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 9:41 AM EST
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Man, you guys will believe anything someone says if it validates the other side are evil power mongering, win at all costs... etc, etc, etc...

Have you seen you're guy? He's literally trying everything he can to win at all costs... including making sh*t up and feeding it to you numbskulls.
rfenst Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 9:47 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Frank, I appreciate that. I'm resigned to the fact we're likely stuck with a lying, blithering idiot and his evil, tramp consort.

That said, if people are testifying under penalty of perjury that fraud took place and data analysts believe it to be true based on what they've seen, I want that sh*t addressed and fixed... whether or not it changes the outcome (which I believe it will not).

I agree.
Speyside Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 10:35 AM EST
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I don't see any fact MACS, I see perjury. As all cases have been thrown out there is no creditable evidence. Entering somthing as evidence is far different than proving it is evidence. If any cases are found true, the it would be creditable evidence. My bad for not stating creditable, but you are splitting hairs.
bgz Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 10:43 AM EST
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I don't really see a distinction between the two terms. Evidence implies credibility. Evidence without credibility is called bullsh*t... let's call it what it is.
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 11:02 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I don't see any fact MACS, I see perjury. As all cases have been thrown out there is no creditable evidence. Entering somthing as evidence is far different than proving it is evidence. If any cases are found true, the it would be creditable evidence. My bad for not stating creditable, but you are splitting hairs.

Affidavits and expert testimony are often admissible, but not always. Their weight and importance (believability) is a matter for the trier of fact (meaning the jury or the judge in a bench trial where there is no jury). As to affidavit admissibility, they are often sufficient to prove one has a right to be in court, but not at trial where the affiant is available to testify live. You can't cross-examine a piece of paper.

What is happening to Giuliani is that the courts are "laughing/kicking" his cases out of court before the lawsuits even get started. This is due to the lack of credibility of the affidavits to even minimally prove the allegation, namely that there was widespread fraud that affected the election outcome.

I'd sure love to see some of the affidavits Rudy is relying on. He better be careful so as to not get disbarred (lose his law license).
Buckwheat Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 11:34 AM EST
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Yes. All of this is extremely Dangerous to our Constitutional Republic! fog
MACS Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 4:23 PM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKZYJydyIr4
frankj1 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 5:42 PM EST
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Barr says this guy is wrong.
Barr!

Barr was hoping to find evidence as he ended up working for the POTUS when appointed (add that to the list of dangers to our Democracy) and even he can't go along with nonsense and jpotts style hearsay when it's this important.
Smooth light Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 7:21 PM EST
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Can't see the Forest, cause the trees are in your way.

Except on the LEFT coast,cause their all burnt down.🤭
frankj1 Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 9:45 PM EST
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well, that's one opinion...?
MACS Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Dec 1 2020, 10:42 PM EST
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I suggest trying to find some of these court proceedings and listen to the evidence being presented. Also look back to 2016 when dems were saying the machines were hackable... and got hacked by the Russians. CNN... MadCow... but now since their guy won, it's a nothing burger.

However... new polls show 84% of voters had their minds made up in September. Yours seems to be made up.
rfenst Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 12:39 AM EST
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Got a link?
RayR Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 10:08 AM EST
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“He who casts a vote decides nothing. He who counts the vote decides everything.”


Supposedly this is a translation of something Joseph Stalin said. Sometimes even a ruthless deceiver blurts out the truth sometimes.

I see clowns on both sides of that left-right spectrum, authority figures and media mouthpieces claiming there was no election irregularities, no fraud. 🙈 🙉 🙊
I think the thing they fear most if the truth is exposed is the people would lose faith in them and this system of unconstitutional government, as they've been so heavily invested in propping up all sorts of frauds and mischief over the years and convincing the proles that everything is working even better than the founders planned.
bgz Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 10:32 AM EST
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I would estimate in most years the average amount of voter fraud is pretty even on the right and the left (not enough to make a difference for sure).

This year, I would estimate the percentages are heavily skewed to the right because trump told his idiots to test the system.

Trump is using a trick... he's repeating the same lie over and over and over again until everyone (including himself) believe it's fact... it's a trick. If you buy it, count yourself as one of the idiots that fell for the trick.

If you still believe it after everyone that's looked into it has told you it's not real... then you're really f*cking stupid.
rfenst Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 11:31 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
I would estimate in most years the average amount of voter fraud is pretty even on the right and the left (not enough to make a difference for sure).

This year, I would estimate the percentages are heavily skewed to the right because trump told his idiots to test the system.

Trump is using a trick... he's repeating the same lie over and over and over again until everyone (including himself) believe it's fact... it's a trick. If you buy it, count yourself as one of the idiots that fell for the trick.

If you still believe it after everyone that's looked into it has told you it's not real... then you're really f*cking stupid.

No one says there was no fraud. What has been said is that there was not enough widespread fraud to change the outcome of the election.

I think EVERYONE takes election fraud very seriously. Any fraud that can be proven must be prosecuted.
bgz Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 11:42 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
No one says there was no fraud. What has been said is that there was not enough widespread fraud to change the outcome of the election.

I think EVERYONE takes election fraud very seriously. Any fraud that can be proven must be prosecuted.


I agree... and I even agreed with the position that voter fraud does exist (in saying that I think I believe it's probably pretty equal on average).
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#33 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 11:48 AM EST
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and is not a massive coordinated effort.
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#34 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 11:55 AM EST
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The dude looks like a lady...fraud,you only know when they turn around.
Sometime your eyes deceive you, it is called magic.
delta1 Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 12:01 PM EST
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seems there are still a lot of people who believe Trump's claim that there was massive fraud and that the election was stolen from him....


the following is a Public Service Announcement:


if you believe Trump's claim that he won the election and had it stolen from him, whatever you do, don't join the growing list of "losers and suckers" who have donated to his "election fraud campaign"...he's raised more than $150 Million, and very little of it is going to the "investigation"...




and money continues to pour in...the real endgame for Trump has always been this
bgz Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 12:11 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
and is not a massive coordinated effort.


I did disagree with this... because trump encouraged his idiots to test the system, trump was attempting massive coordinated voter fraud.
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#37 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 12:27 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I did disagree with this... because trump encouraged his idiots to test the system, trump was attempting massive coordinated voter fraud.

ah...
yes.
rfenst Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 1:10 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I did disagree with this... because trump encouraged his idiots to test the system, trump was attempting massive coordinated voter fraud.

I worked at the polling place on election day. One lady came back in a few minutes after shouting "Hell Yes Trump!" and insisted that I show her the actual vote count in the middle of the afternoon. She was pissed after I told her it could not be done until the last voter voted.

She lost it and started screaming about transparency and her right to know results! I thought we were going to have to call the police to get her out of there, which would have destroyed the experience of a lot of proud other voters and those standing in line...

Yeah, she tested the system- by demanding the count when she saw fit. At about 7:30pm I shut down the ballot counter and ran two result reports and signed both of them. One went to the poll manager; I taped the other one to the front door for any and all to see. Wonder if she ever even thought of coming back...

(BTW, Trump beat Biden 3 or 4:1.)
delta1 Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 1:28 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I did disagree with this... because trump encouraged his idiots to test the system, trump was attempting massive coordinated voter fraud.


Trump did a lot of things to rig the election, including intentionally screwing up the USPS with his hand-picked disruptive director, his endless lies about, and litigation over, mail-in ballots and worst of all, by turning his back on the pandemic, expecting all his efforts to suppress the votes.

By letting the virus rage, he sought to create a nationwide environment of fear, enough so that people would not turn out and vote in person and would think about voting by mail. He then tried to stifle that impulse.

This strategy of reducing turnout on election day and stifling mail-in voting back-fired on him spectacularly, with more people voting than ever before. He claims the Dems rigged the election... because he tried and failed.
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#40 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 2:12 PM EST
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Honestly, I am not looking back. Trump lost, Biden won. Now let's see what Biden does. I am focused on the Georgia run offs.
HockeyDad Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 2:38 PM EST
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Hopefully Georgia doesn’t screw this up.
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#42 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 4:46 PM EST
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Georgia I knew,always after I left her, she was on my mind.
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#43 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 5:08 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Trump did a lot of things to rig the election, including intentionally screwing up the USPS with his hand-picked disruptive director, his endless lies about, and litigation over, mail-in ballots and worst of all, by turning his back on the pandemic, expecting all his efforts to suppress the votes.

By letting the virus rage, he sought to create a nationwide environment of fear, enough so that people would not turn out and vote in person and would think about voting by mail. He then tried to stifle that impulse.

This strategy of reducing turnout on election day and stifling mail-in voting back-fired on him spectacularly, with more people voting than ever before. He claims the Dems rigged the election... because he tried and failed.


Get professional help already.
RayR Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 5:39 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Get professional help already.


He's been watching too much CNN, it created all kinds of delusions.
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#45 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 5:55 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Hopefully Georgia doesn’t screw this up.


Well there's only 10,000 people left in the state, how difficult could it be?
delta1 Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 6:08 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Get professional help already.



Z says Dr. Jerome Corsi would help
Smooth light Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020, 10:02 PM EST
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ESND 😁
bgz Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Dec 3 2020, 9:49 AM EST
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dumbass

(I have you blocked, this is my only response to anything you say).
Smooth light Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Dec 3 2020, 1:44 PM EST
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If blocked why do you bother, liar liar pants on fire.
bgz Offline
#50 Posted: Thu, Dec 3 2020, 2:56 PM EST
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Dumbass!
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