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It's all blah, blah, blah... NONE of that was Trump telling anyone to go rogue. None of it was him telling anyone to be violent or storm the capitol building.

None of it. Nothing he said. Point out exactly what it was that he said. Because in reading all that tripe... I can't find it.

The answers to Mac's question remind me of the Soviet secret police interrogating a political dissident.

Comrade you know you have committed anti revolutionary acts.

But I'm innocent.

You are guilty, just admit your crimes, all will be better if you just confess.

The pandemic and last minute voting rules changes won the election for Biden... next election will be the same.. 11 million pardoned illegal immigrants will be allowed to vote... they've already been promised free health care and drivers licenses according to Biden...

if you still believe the election was manipulated by thousands of people across the country, soooo many of them lifelong Republicans too, despite the 90 judges that say the plaintiffs brought no proof, just vague claims, feelings, and incendiary but unsubstantiated claims, then I probably can't get you to see what happened because it totally upsets what you so strongly wanted to happen.
I'm sorry. And sorry that his loss causes you such pain.

But you also have seen people that also believe that something must be wrong, even without being able to point to much more than Trump's allegations for years prior to the election (!), willing to do what you would never do...
and the guy each of you support said- that's enough, time to go home , we love you!!!

Shawn, after the election he won, he claimed it was rigged because he lost the popular vote! Come on. Wanna love the candidate? Cool. But come on, man.

Feeling like I should start a thread asking about the first tours of the building since March the day before the attack on Democracy...there's your conspiracy with complicit Congressmen/women.
This was planned, not every participant was in on it, but folks came with road maps in their heads, zip ties, gallows...

sometimes the side we like has been compromised by people waaay beyond what we liked in the first place.

I was pretty far left in my late teens and early 20's. But SDS and the Weathermen corrupted what I loved.
The same just happened to you.

you're not helping with that!

on that we agree

Robert, if you read 65, would you please comment on if Pelosi could do that or not.

Peach cobbler sure sounds good to me, with creamy lee.

Send over some, I'm hungry for sum peaches 🍑.

or she waits just long enough to allow Biden to get some 100 days stuff moving, vaccinations rolling etc., and to allow enough time for maybe all of the facts to emerge about Jan. 6, uncover any evidence of Trump's administration and/or tour-guide Congressmen's roles in the attack on the Capitol (if any roles at all), and to give Schumer time to add to the 10 GOP he has now to get enough support for a conviction.

without more GOP crossing with the original 10, impeachment will be more damaging than not.

I think you're right.
Though there would be a better shot after some distance and fear of Trump's reprisal.

However they push forward the impeachment the key will be to maximize damage to the USA and eliminate any possibility of healing.

Biden needs to prove that his stimulus package is bigger than Obama’s stimulus package.

never should have had that beer summit thing

some of same peeps who were outraged when Obama said, "cops acted stupidly"


approved of a POTUS who organized a massive protest that resulted in a mob of people who intentionally killed one cop, injured 50 more, and sought to kill that POTUS's Vice President while ransacking the House of Congress...


those who say that we can't prove that was Trump's intent will not excuse the miscreant who says "I'm innocent" after letting loose a dozen rattle snakes in their house after one bites and kills a family member...

Trump did not commit criminal incitement. That is clear. The senate should not convict him, they need to vote based on the legal definition. No matter how loathsome I find him, Pandoras box should not be opened.

This is why I like you.

True.

I’m not. I clearly said I’m still thinking about it. You are the one with the answer before the question is asked based on if it’s your guy or not. It’s strange you can’t comprehend that.

Then all the Dems who promoted violence will be charged as well right.. ??

I appreciate that Spey but I’m still waiting for more info before I decide where I land.

Another option is, just pardon everyone.

Then watch them all say"what the f*ck", can he really do that?

WE ARE ALL INNOCENT 😇
COME ON MAN...

Also there is the question of can you be pardoned for something you have not been convicted of. There really is no precedent. Nixon was, but that was never contested to set a precedent.

Sigh

TW still on a fence post!