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delta1 Offline
#101 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 11:48 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Delta there are no guidelines federally. CDC has suggestions but really once out to the states so be it.

Each state is different. Some did better than others.

The whole debate here is built on false premises and misses the reality.




of course...some don't see nuance in government communications, whether they're called regulations, guidelines or vaccination schedules and strategies

I was trying to illustrate the difference between following public health guidelines to avoid infections, and the tiered approach to administering vaccines, a perishable good...
delta1 Offline
#102 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 11:58 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Came in a bit hot this morning, sorry...

It's just that, the way people on the far right can't stand people on the far left and find their ideologies to be ridiculous, and the way people on the far left can't stand people on the far right and find their ideologies to be ridiculous - that's how the vast majority of our nation views both of these groups of people...

So if you're on the far right and have ever found yourself disgusted by the people and policies on the far left - that's how normal people look at you all the time... same for the far left....

It's gotten old... it's 2 groups of people too stupid to know how stupid they are... and they're loud...



extremes are dangerous, especially when they arm themselves...the level of hate is insane....some are openly advocating civil war...highest level of extreme stupidity...


were are a unique experiment in the history of human societies...the most diverse and free one ever...and yet, some ignore that our greatness is a synergism of us all, and focus on individuals or small groups as more important than the whole...
teedubbya Offline
#103 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 12:01 PM EST
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Gotcha delta.

I’m Apolitical on this subject.
bgz Offline
#104 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 12:05 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Came in a bit hot this morning, sorry...

It's just that, the way people on the far right can't stand people on the far left and find their ideologies to be ridiculous, and the way people on the far left can't stand people on the far right and find their ideologies to be ridiculous - that's how the vast majority of our nation views both of these groups of people...

So if you're on the far right and have ever found yourself disgusted by the people and policies on the far left - that's how normal people look at you all the time... same for the far left....

It's gotten old... it's 2 groups of people too stupid to know how stupid they are... and they're loud...


I feel ya on that. Extremists are nuts.
delta1 Offline
#105 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 12:07 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Gotcha delta.

I’m Apolitical on this subject.



we should all try to see the pandemic as a non-political threat, but because of scarcity and demand involved in the process of dealing with the threat, politics will be involved...

at a more basic level, we can't even agree that the pandemic is a threat, because of politics...


this is like a circular firing squad...400,000 deaths so far...
frankj1 Offline
#106 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 12:29 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
we should all try to see the pandemic as a non-political threat, but because of scarcity and demand involved in the process of dealing with the threat, politics will be involved...

at a more basic level, we can't even agree that the pandemic is a threat, because of politics...


this is like a circular firing squad...400,000 deaths so far...

yesterday a friend emailed me Hannity sitting at his desk on the Fox set and the caption said "9 hours of Biden as President and 400,000 dead of covid already"
DrafterX Offline
#107 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 12:33 PM EST
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That's funny cause it's true..!! Laugh
BuckyB93 Offline
#108 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 12:42 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
my sense is that people who give out are better, don't matter if it's vaccines or bread...


Injecting someone with a vaccine is the same as giving out expired bread. Got it.

delta1 wrote:
lotta stores have specific use by dates, and would typically throw tons of food away...many don't follow the letter of the law, instead donating food to food banks or homeless shelters where it is consumed safely and quickly....


Food banks don't accept food that is past the use by date. At least the ones around here. As you have mentioned, there are liabilities and ramifications if they do so. I've donated time at some local food banks and some of the chores are to go through their stores and toss out stuff that is past the use by dates. I've filled trash buckets full of canned food and dry goods that were past their use by date.

But this is getting off topic.
HockeyDad Offline
#109 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 1:14 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
we should all try to see the pandemic as a non-political threat, but because of scarcity and demand involved in the process of dealing with the threat, politics will be involved...

at a more basic level, we can't even agree that the pandemic is a threat, because of politics...


this is like a circular firing squad...400,000 deaths so far...



At this point the real existential issue is climate change.
delta1 Offline
#110 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 2:12 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Injecting someone with a vaccine is the same as giving out expired bread. Got it.



Food banks don't accept food that is past the use by date. At least the ones around here. As you have mentioned, there are liabilities and ramifications if they do so. I've donated time at some local food banks and some of the chores are to go through their stores and toss out stuff that is past the use by dates. I've filled trash buckets full of canned food and dry goods that were past their use by date.

But this is getting off topic.




are basic guidelines for avoiding viral infection the same as the order of preference for using a scarce and highly desired commodity?


Edit: nevermind...I know the answer: government bad...individual liberty good
HockeyDad Offline
#111 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 3:20 PM EST
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Rona vaccines should be distributed based on tax bracket from highest to lowest.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#112 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 3:58 PM EST
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Publix will start administrating Covid19 vaccine shots soon.

Go for the shots...stay for the subs!
Gene363 Online
#113 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 5:07 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Publix will start administrating Covid19 vaccine shots soon.

Go for the shots...stay for the subs!


Yes!
HockeyDad Offline
#114 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 5:12 PM EST
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California hopes to have 65 year olds vaccinated by June. At that pace we will still be rolling out vaccines when Kamala Harris is running for re-election.
delta1 Offline
#115 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 5:34 PM EST
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if there are surplus supplies in CA, they are not being shipped to Riverside County...every vaccination site is booked full within a short time of their announcement...

Albertson's Pharmacy announced they will be getting a few thousand doses and will be jabbing arms at the store closest to me when they get the vaccines...only problem is the webpage to set an appointment doesn't work...

guess I just have to wait patiently for our healthcare provider, Kaiser Permanente, to start scheduling their patients...got an email from them to be patient, don't call or email or online chat about COVID19 vaccines...they'll call us to schedule.....call me skeptical...
HockeyDad Offline
#116 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 5:46 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
if there are surplus supplies in CA, they are not being shipped to Riverside County...every vaccination site is booked full within a short time of their announcement...

Albertson's Pharmacy announced they will be getting a few thousand doses and will be jabbing arms at the store closest to me when they get the vaccines...only problem is the webpage to set an appointment doesn't work...

guess I just have to wait patiently for our healthcare provider, Kaiser Permanente, to start scheduling their patients...got an email from them to be patient, don't call or email or online chat about COVID19 vaccines...they'll call us to schedule.....call me skeptical...


John Muir Health (part of Stanford) up here put out an email saying don’t call us.

Governor Gavin has a million vaccines in warehouse and we are #45 for state rollout.
teedubbya Offline
#117 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 6:03 PM EST
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Can’t get it myself and I meet the criteria in several ways
HockeyDad Offline
#118 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 7:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Can’t get it myself and I meet the criteria in several ways


Show up in a dress and start screaming that they are denying you because you’re a trannie!
DrafterX Offline
#119 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 7:48 PM EST
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I sure hope CROS got his shot... Think
DrafterX Offline
#120 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 7:49 PM EST
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I wonder if Bloody will get one... Think
tonygraz Offline
#121 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 9:44 PM EST
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I'll ask him. Wait a minute --- he asked if you were still chasing chickens.
DrafterX Offline
#122 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 9:47 PM EST
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No, I heard you and he got a steady supply of chikens and assorted waterfowl from another supplier... freaks... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#123 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 9:51 PM EST
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Jealous of those sweet peeking ducks, huh.
teedubbya Offline
#124 Posted: Thu, Jan 21 2021, 9:55 PM EST
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Holy duck
Burner02 Offline
#125 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:12 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Publix will start administrating Covid19 vaccine shots soon.


Wally World and Sam's appear to be on board as well. Alabama's rollout has been extremely slow with less than half (45%} of the allotted doses administered.
Stogie1020 Offline
#126 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:20 AM EST
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What really grinds my gears is that each state had over 9 MONTHS to figure out this system, and it seems like most of them generally failed to have any viable plan...
ZRX1200 Offline
#127 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:27 AM EST
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https://apnews.com/article/sacramento-california-coronavirus-pandemic-gavin-newsom-38bb44ea7cb39eab9f6f6c621daeaf10
opelmanta1900 Offline
#128 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:35 AM EST
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"State officials said they rely on a very complex set of measurements that would confuse and potentially mislead the public if they were made public."

I would love to disagree with this, but based on some of the stupid things I've heard and seen from California citizens during this pandemic it's almost certainly true...
teedubbya Offline
#129 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:37 AM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
What really grinds my gears is that each state had over 9 MONTHS to figure out this system, and it seems like most of them generally failed to have any viable plan...



Agreed but there was no fed plan either but a bunch of lies saying there was.
DrafterX Offline
#130 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:40 AM EST
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CNN reported a now-debunked narrative about the Biden administration "starting from scratch" with a coronavirus vaccine rollout plan 47 times on Thursday before Dr. Anthony Fauci revealed that the liberal network had been spreading misinformation, according to Grabien Media.

CNN raised eyebrows Thursday with its alleged "scoop" that quoted unnamed Biden officials claiming, "There is nothing for us to rework. We are going to have to build everything from scratch," as well as that the new administration would have to start from "square one" since there was no plan.

Fauci, who was tapped by President Biden during the transition to be a White House adviser, was asked later in the day if the new administration was in fact "starting from scratch."

"We certainly are not starting from scratch because there is activity going on in the distribution," Fauci responded, essentially revealing that CNN’s report was inaccurate.

Grabien Media founder Tom Elliott, who monitors cable news, tweeted that CNN mentioned the "false" report 47 times on Thursday, while MSNBC covered CNN’s report 11 times.

CNN White House correspondent MJ Lee, who authored the report, defended her story on social media, characterizing Fauci as "a holdover from the Trump administration." Yet on the same day, news reports touted Fauci's remarks that he felt freer to speak his mind under Biden than he did with Trump.

Lee also attempted to rely on Biden's earlier comments to validate her reporting, tweeting, "In the last hour, Biden said Trump's vaccine rollout had been a 'dismal failure.'"

After being criticized on social media throughout the day for the erroneous report, Lee was ridiculed again for referring to Fauci as a "holdover" from President Trump.

Film at 11... Think
opelmanta1900 Offline
#131 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:46 AM EST
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At this point in time drafter, you might as well be debunking stories from the national enquirer... I know of not a single person who goes to cnn or msnbc as their primary news source...

In fact, I can guarantee you that there are more right wingers who visit cnn to get their daily dose of rage than there are libs who visit cnn to get their daily news...
DrafterX Offline
#132 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:49 AM EST
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so, you're cool with CNN repeating lies about no plan..?? it doesn't make you wonder what else they regularly lie about..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#133 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:50 AM EST
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Drafter i can honestly say knowing what I know (not from the news) and watching the actual Fauci interview that I am saddened at how uninformed you are knowing that it is intentionally done to you by your news sources. May god have mercy on their souls and may you find the strength to get to truth.
DrafterX Offline
#134 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:55 AM EST
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I can't handle the truth..!! Mad


oh wait... Think
teedubbya Offline
#135 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:56 AM EST
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I think you will find operation warp speed isn’t quite what you’ve been led to believe either. It was good but not all it’s been hyped to be.

Lots of development little if any operational thought from there. No real plan. Sorry.
teedubbya Offline
#136 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 11:57 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I can't handle the truth..!! Mad


oh wait... Think



Yes you can!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#137 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 12:04 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
so, you're cool with CNN repeating lies about no plan..?? it doesn't make you wonder what else they regularly lie about..?? Huh

Define "cool with"...

Do I like it? No.... I don't like any of our major news outlets... they're entertainment news... like ET or inside edition... they're not too be respected or trusted...

But am I going to make a stink about it? Keep visiting those sites? Keep reading their articles? Keep bringing up their lies? Of course not... that's crybaby stuff...
teedubbya Offline
#138 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 12:09 PM EST
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Crybaby crybaby suck your thumb, you don’t get no bubble gum
ZRX1200 Offline
#139 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 12:33 PM EST
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I could use some bubble gum about now Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#140 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 12:40 PM EST
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72% pro

I'm surprised so far. Thought the over/under here would have been closer to 50%
Smooth light Offline
#141 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 12:45 PM EST
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When is the fake bubble going to pop.
delta1 Offline
#142 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 2:42 PM EST
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Fauci said we are not starting from scratch with the vaccination plan...he acknowledges that there are problems, and that each state may have different problems...he is optimistic that putting someone in charge of the federal response plan is a great step to identifying those problems and correcting them...


most importantly he thinks it may be possible to exceed Biden's stated goal of 100 Million vaccinations in 100 days
teedubbya Offline
#143 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 2:44 PM EST
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Azar tried to say they would have too lol.
delta1 Offline
#144 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 2:52 PM EST
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Azar and Trump's goal was 20 Million by end of December...how many did they actually inoculate? less than 3 million?

how long do you think it'll take, if ever, TW, before the Biden plan is more organized, effective/efficient?
teedubbya Offline
#145 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 2:55 PM EST
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Almost immediately. Barriers to transparent communication are already being removed.
delta1 Offline
#146 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 2:59 PM EST
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that is just the first step, but a worthwhile one, to establish trust among the American people...open and honest communication is key to getting buy-in for vaccinations...

the question then becomes, how quickly can we get to70-75% vaccinated...herd immunity?
teedubbya Offline
#147 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 3:02 PM EST
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I don’t have that answer but the level of control over messaging and which data sees the light of day vs which doesn’t is like nothing ever seen before. Crazy.
teedubbya Offline
#148 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 3:03 PM EST
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If it didn’t fir the false reality it was killed.
teedubbya Offline
#149 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 3:03 PM EST
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Fit
delta1 Offline
#150 Posted: Fri, Jan 22 2021, 3:19 PM EST
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hopefully, eyes that have been fooled can be opened by the truth
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