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WSJ TAX REPORT: Why the Billionaires’ Tax Matters to You, Too
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About 700 of the wealthiest Americans would have been affected by a proposal from Democrats in Congress. It’s a small number of taxpayers, but the implications are huge.

WSJ OPINION

A new tax on billionaires died in Congress almost as soon as it was proposed late last month, but don’t underestimate its significance.

The levy, sponsored by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden (D., Ore.), would have imposed annual capital-gains taxes on about 700 of the wealthiest Americans.

What made this a landmark proposal is that it would have fundamentally altered the way Americans are taxed. As the law works now, people typically owe taxes when a cash event happens—as when a worker is paid wages or an investor sells an asset.

The Wyden proposal would have taxed holdings for a small group of investors, mostly billionaires, based on paper gains in publicly traded companies. In other words, they would have owed tax annually if their shares in a company rose even if they didn’t sell them. Losses would have offset gains, and large losses could have been carried forward or back to other years.

This so-called mark-to-market approach is used by companies, especially financial firms, in reports to investors. But under current tax law, individuals rarely mark investments to the market price annually.

The proposal raised fears among opponents that the tax could be broadened to apply to the assets of less wealthy taxpayers, and that it could create new tax-code complexities requiring further tax changes.

“The billionaire’s tax was a dramatic change in rules that have been around for more than a century,” says Michael Graetz, a former Treasury Department official who teaches at Columbia University’s law school.

The principle that investors don’t owe capital-gains tax until they sell (or otherwise dispose of) an asset goes back to Eisner v. Macomber, a 1920 Supreme Court decision issued not long after the modern income tax took effect in 1913. In a 5-to-4 ruling with a strong dissent from Justice Louis Brandeis, the Court held that Myrtle H. Macomber didn’t owe income tax on a noncash dividend of stock shares she received from the Standard Oil Company of California.

The opinion said Mrs. Macomber got “nothing except paper certificates” that didn’t include any gain for her, so they were not income under the 16th Amendment. Taxing her receipt of them would have been unconstitutional.

Many legal scholars think later court decisions revised and limited Macomber’s holding that taxing unrealized gains before a sale is unconstitutional. These later cases stress the practicality of deferring tax until an investment is sold, as it’s easier to determine value then and collect tax when the taxpayer has cash to pay it.

Nonetheless, a few code provisions levy taxes on investment growth before a sale. Well-off Americans who give up U.S. citizenship can owe exit tax on the unrealized gains of U.S. assets such as deferred compensation and retirement accounts as part of the price of expatriation. Some professional traders and others also mark certain assets to market annually.

But in general, Macomber’s principle of deferring income tax until a sale has endured—to investors’ great benefit. For them, the deferral compounds after-tax income, and they can strategize sales to reduce taxes.

“From the time of the decision to now, for better or worse, Macomber has shaped major areas of income tax,” says Marjorie Kornhauser, emerita professor at Tulane Law School.

Why the push to change this fundamental tax rule by marking billionaires’ asset growth to market? Supporters offer several reasons.

One is the longstanding criticism that deferring tax on gains distorts markets and produces a “lock-in effect,” because investors refrain from selling assets to avoid triggering tax. If they hold until death, their estates avoid capital-gains tax on growth up to that point, and heirs only owe tax on growth after that—and only when they sell. This is known as the “step-up.”

Critics also say current law helps wealthy Americans achieve an income- and estate-tax trifecta. First, they avoid taxes by borrowing against their assets, instead of selling them, to fund their living expenses. Then the deferred tax on appreciation is forgiven at death via the step-up. Finally, their estates can largely avoid estate and gift tax through a variety of legal techniques.

“The income-tax deferral on unrealized gains is unfair. It allows the wealthiest Americans to avoid tax during a time of increasing concern with inequality. Most Americans can’t take advantage of these strategies,” says Ari Glogower, a professor at Ohio State University’s law school.

For politicians, another attraction is likely the revenue a mark-to-market regime could generate. According to a study by Lily Batchelder and David Kamin, tax professors who are now Biden administration officials, applying it to the publicly traded assets of taxpayers with more than $50 million of annual income might raise $750 billion from 2021 to 2030. (The authors cautioned that their estimates were preliminary and subject to “vast uncertainty.” Also, they were for a wider pool of taxpayers than billionaires.)

While the tax on publicly traded assets got the most headlines, the proposal would also have taxed nontraded assets owned by the billionaires. Valuing nontraded assets is difficult, as homeowners who’ve gotten wildly different values from appraisers know.

The proposal wouldn’t have taxed nontraded assets annually, but it added an interest charge to sale proceeds of them—or if assets weren’t sold, then to their value at death—to tax the benefit of deferral. By Ms. Batchelder and Mr. Kamin’s rough estimate, doing so might raise $200 billion from 2021 to 2030 from the same group of taxpayers.

Of course, these issues are moot because the billionaires’ tax was dropped as Democrats worked to reach consensus on their spending plan. But as Mr. Graetz notes, tax proposals that aren’t enacted don’t die, they just go on the shelf for future use.
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“The income-tax deferral on unrealized gains is unfair. It allows the wealthiest Americans to avoid tax during a time of increasing concern with inequality. Most Americans can’t take advantage of these strategies,” says Ari Glogower, a professor at Ohio State University’s law school.

If that is true why is the government not just allowing but encouraging EVERYONE who has a 401(k), IRA, etc to defer gains until the assets are sold?
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Do you really want to know???


The reality is that the uber rich are paying more than their fair share now. It's because they are uber rich that they continue to pay and work the system. The ice water in the face moment hits when the uber rich will be tapped out in a manner Ayn Rand wrote about in several prophetic novels. The numbers will never match for these looney new green plans and all the other garbage in them like researching cows farting. Now is the time to admit we don't need to build back better. We need to take a hatchet and blow torch to the DC lunacy. Anyone know how much money is still out there from the Trump budget unspent? Research that. Nobody is denying roads and bridges. We're not talking about that though. Rand knew what she was talking about with the tagline...

Who is John Galt?
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Ari Glogower is a weaselly double-speaking leftist, a former tax lawyer turned associate professor of law.
He supported Elizabeth Warren's proposed wealth tax. If there is any progressive tax the rich scheme he's all for it.
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Precedent.

Reshape and leverage language and projected perspectives with your lapdogs.

Move goal posts.

Do everything to further power and status quo.

Never do the peoples work or serve.
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deadeyedick wrote:
“The income-tax deferral on unrealized gains is unfair. It allows the wealthiest Americans to avoid tax during a time of increasing concern with inequality. Most Americans can’t take advantage of these strategies,” says Ari Glogower, a professor at Ohio State University’s law school.

If that is true why is the government not just allowing but encouraging EVERYONE who has a 401(k), IRA, etc to defer gains until the assets are sold?

The theory is that they can borrow loads of cheap money at astronomically low rates (often paying interest only) solely using their untaxed/unrealized stock as collateral. They can let it pile up for decades, They can live off the loan without taking any taxable pay at all or paying relatively next to nothing in taxes until they eventually sell the stock. There is no limit to any of this I am aware of.

You cannot do that with your 401(K), IRA or the like. And, I believe there are also limits to what you can contribute to a 401(K)/IRA or the like.

I do not believe in a wealth tax. I am still pondering this one...
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rfenst wrote:
The theory is that they can borrow loads of cheap money at astronomically low rates (often paying interest only) solely using their untaxed/unrealized stock as collateral. They can let it pile up for decades, They can live off the loan without taking any taxable pay at all or paying relatively next to nothing in taxes until they eventually sell the stock. There is no limit to any of this I am aware of.

You cannot do that with your 401(K), IRA or the like. And, I believe there are also limits to what you can contribute to a 401(K)/IRA or the like.

I do not believe in a wealth tax. I am still pondering this one...



So you propose putting a RMD on all deferrals?
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deadeyedick wrote:
So you propose putting a RMD on all deferrals?

I I don't know. Got to do some more reading. Still thinking about it all...
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@2

Musk may have to sell $20B in Tesla shares

New York Times

Elon Musk may have already been compelled to sell a sizable portion of his Tesla shares even if he had not issued an unusual Twitter pledge over the weekend. Musk on Saturday polled Twitter users on whether he should sell 10% of his stake in his company. The poll appeared to be a response to a Democratic proposal to tax the unrealized gains of billionaires.

“Much is made lately of unrealized gains being a means of tax avoidance, so I propose selling 10% of my Tesla stock,” he tweeted.

Musk said he was raising the question because he does not take a cash salary as Tesla’s CEO and therefore would not have any way to pay a large tax bill without selling some of his Tesla shares, which make up the vast majority of his wealth.
Musk wrote in a follow-up tweet that he would “abide by the results of this poll, whichever way it goes.”

He closed the poll Sunday, after nearly 3.5 million votes had been cast, with 58% voting for him to sell.

Either way, Musk may soon have needed to sell a chunk of his shares. He holds nearly 23 million stock options that were awarded in 2012. Those options have since vested and will expire in August 2022. Most stock grants allow executives to avoid paying taxes for years, and perhaps forever, as long as they do not sell the shares they get from converting the option.

But Brian Foley, an executive compensation consultant, says that because of the size of Musk’s grant and the way it was structured, it is likely that much of his 2012 options do not qualify for the preferential tax treatment. That means Musk would owe income taxes when he exercises the grant, which at current prices would be worth just under $30 billion. Musk’s tax bill could top $10 billion, depending on what percentage of the options do not qualify for the preferential treatment.

Musk may need to sell even more shares than what it would take to pay his tax bill. He owns 17% of Tesla’s shares, which at its current stock price would be worth about $200 billion. That means his tweets are a pledge to sell $20 billion worth of shares.

This is going to be a realized gain stock option, part of which Musk may have to sell to pay taxes on it before the option expires.
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As Musk said about the billionaire tax,

‘Eventually, they run out of other people’s money and then they come for you’.
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TSLA Plummets: $150BN In Market Cap Gone In Minutes; Did Elon Start Selling?

BY TYLER DURDEN
TUESDAY, NOV 09, 2021 - 10:01 AM

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Many traders were confused by yesterday's TSLA action where the stock rebounded and nearly closed green on Monday despite Musk's rather explicit advance notice over the weekend that he would sell 10% of his TSLA holdings (after a twitter poll told him to do so). Well, maybe it has finally dawned on the market just how big the impact of Musk's sale would be, or alternatively, he just started dumping because moments ago TSLA stock tumbled moments after the open, plunging more than 10%, and wiping away $150 billion in market cap.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/tsla-plummets-150bn-market-cap-gone-minutes-did-elon-start-selling
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RayR wrote:
TSLA Plummets: $150BN In Market Cap Gone In Minutes; Did Elon Start Selling?

BY TYLER DURDEN
TUESDAY, NOV 09, 2021 - 10:01 AM



Musk begins selling substantial position of his stock likely because he has a tax due to maturing options and he’s not liquid enough to stroke a check. Stock price falls. Why would anyone be surprised? Supply of sellable stock versus demand for said stock combined with uncertainty of bottom of price dip creates these phenomena. I’d be surprised if the stock takes more than a month after he finishes liquidating his predetermined position to return to presale value.

Nothing to see here.
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The Demonrats say: TAX THE RICH! TAX EVERYBODY! GO BIG OR GO HOME! HIGHEST IN THE WORLD! WINNING!

Democrat spending bill poised to push personal income tax rates to highest level in developed world

Party doubles down on signature legislation despite anti-tax sentiments voters just expressed in this month’s elections.

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The Democrats nearly lost the New Jersey governor's race last week, a close contest in which high taxes was a central issue. Despite that near-death experience, Democrats in Washington are redoubling their efforts to pass their nearly $2 trillion budget reconciliation bill, which is expected to sharply raise tax rates nationally, especially in historically blue states.

The Tax Foundation estimates that the social spending bill is going to drive the "average top tax rate on personal income" up to 57.4%, which would be the "highest rate in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)."

New York, California and New Jersey would have the highest combined federal-state tax rates after passage of the reconciliation legislation in its current form, according to the organization.

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https://justthenews.com/government/congress/after-close-nj-governor-race-taxes-blue-states-set-rise-under-dems
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"Once a tax is implemented for some, it becomes easier to extend it to everyone."

Biden’s Plan to “Tax The Rich” Will Cost the Middle Class

Randall G. Holcombe • Wednesday November 3, 2021

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Many readers will be aware that President Biden has proposed new taxes on the rich to help fund his expenditure plans. As this article explains, a big part of his tax proposal is to tax the unrealized capital gains of people who have assets exceeding $1 billion, which is about 700 people.

Despite objections from both Democrats and Republicans, two things that can help promote the proposal are that (1) it would only tax a very few people, and (2) the rich are not all that popular, as a group, among most Americans. Working against the proposal is that “money talks” and the people who would be subject to those new taxes have money.

Given the nature of the proposal, most Americans would think that the proposal would not apply to them, but ultimately they would be mistaken. President Biden’s proposal would be a foot in the door to extend that same tax to everyone.

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https://blog.independent.org/2021/11/03/bidens-plan-to-tax-the-rich-will-cost-the-middle-class/
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