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aberdeen Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-11-1999
Posts: 741
well okay, I've about had it with Cigar Aficianado. I will list the reasons here.
1) CA treats readers just like we are treated when going into bars and restaurants that allow cigars, whisked to the very back out of view and near the toilets. Now there is a little section in the back of CA for cigars.
2) I have noticed lately all the celebrities interviewed in CA aren't even cigar smokers, or at least they don't talk about it. (Kevin Bacon? Give me a break!)
3) I have noticed the same cigars are rated over and over, it is so predictable.
4) the magazine other than the cigar information is becoming flat out boring, a few interesting articles, but if I want non cigar related information I will get it elsewhere.
Now I understand their reasons for doing this, they consider it a move to gain more readership, and the letters confirm that more and more non smokers are reading it, fine, that's their business. And the word "cigar" on the cover seems to be getting smaller with each issue. So let them go to the non smokers, and put on a charade that they aren't giving cigars a back seat, I simply won't be renewing. Now Smoke magazine to me is ten times better. The celebrities are all cigar smokers and talk about that part of their life and all through the magazine are cigar related articles, and even the ones that aren't I find much more interesting that what's in CA. And I know many of you think the ratings are a scam, but at least Smoke has a much wider variety of cigars they rate, and the descriptions of the cigars are much more in-depth than the snobbish descpriptions used by the so called CA panel. I read the last issue of Smoke cover to cover, I barely picked up the new CA with Hackman on the cover, I skimmed through the ratings, learned nothing, if I take out last year's ratings of Churchills in CA I would probably see 90% of the same cigars as this years.
unklebill Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 12-29-1999
Posts: 729
Smoke has become a much better mag.
hegemonic Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 01-17-2000
Posts: 1,294
I am in total and COMPLETE agreement with you! I am so pissed with CA that I am not going to renew my subscription when this one runs its course. In my opinion, this mag has become a piece of crap. If you look at the cover of the Hackman issue, you'll see that , other than the name of the magazine, NOWHERE ON THE COVER IS THERE ANY MENTION OF CIGARS WHATSOEVER! And what about advertising? I have to turn 10 full pages to get to a cigar ad! Montecristo must have paid big bucks for that slot, competing with Mercedes-Benz, Amex, etc. which all precede it. Furthermore, the first cigar article is on page 184!!! The articles are pretty damn short as well, they even snuck in an article about driving in Cuba by James Suckling which had little to nothing to do with cigars whatsoever. They shed no new light on any cigar subjects that I care about as of late. cont.
hegemonic Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 01-17-2000
Posts: 1,294
There is a huge and boring article on Swedish Match buying General Cigar, which is best summed up by CA online's map of the breakdown of who owns what brand. All in all, 39 pages of a 242 page magazine called CIGAR aficionado are dedicated to cigars. It's an f'n fraud and I will no longer support it unless they dedicate at least a third of their pages to cigars. Shanken, what the hell happened to you!? CA used to be a tome and now it is nothing more than a cheap imitation of other magazines, and can not hold a candle to the publications that they hope to emulate.
Berry C Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 03-08-2000
Posts: 176
I also agree with you guys!! CA is sliding the wrong way. I hope you all also vent your feelings with CA. It seems unlikely that they will change, seeing that they are driven by advertising money and profit not quality content that the CA name implies.
jh55112 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 04-30-2000
Posts: 41
Not really sure what market they are after now, and I get the impression that they don't even know. I am looking for info on cigars. If I want GQ, I will buy GQ. If I want real cigar info I will buy Smoke.
CL Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2000
Posts: 855
Ya know what saddens me the most about this? Will this affect CA's Big Smoke? I've never been to one but planned on my first this coming year. I'd even talked to some others about hitting the BIG Big Smoke in Las Vegas within the next couple of years. Maybe the event has already been affected. Anyone gone to a recent one? This is bound to affect the numbers that come out. After all, only the "hardcore" aficionados would go to something like this, the very people most disappointed in the format change.
bud451 Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 09-11-2010
Posts: 2,237
I was getting the magazine for free(no covers) from a relative that works at a book store. I went so far as to tell him not to bother any more. Uninteresting articles even when you can find one about cigars and I never was one for reading their "reviews", I use that term loosly when describing their opinions on cigars. I still get my smoke magazine for free (no cover) and enjoy it, as someone stated, their reviews IMHO are much more detailed and worth a read.
aberdeen Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 06-11-1999
Posts: 741
I would also say, the article each month in Smoke by Lew Rothman alone is nearly worth the price of the magazine, and also another example of how Smoke is more relaxed and laid back, and targets down to earth types of cigar smokers. Rothman has mentioned that Cigar Aficianaodo goes to great lengths to never mention him, never have they interviewed him (even though he revolutionized the cigar industry) and hestitatingly mention his name in passing when they have to, mostly in Cigar Insider. Rothman is not the GQ, suave, elitist type of cigar dealer CA tends to favor, in fact he probably out and out antagonizes CA with his to me hilarious antics.
bud451 Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 09-11-2010
Posts: 2,237
Absolutely, Lew knows his cigars and writes an article the way I like to read them. Skip the politics and BS and give me the bottom line. The man knows cigars and the industry and writes it uncolored and truthfull, IMHO of course.
CL Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2000
Posts: 855
Lew's the best! You want good reading? I look forward to receiving his catalog purely for the enjoyment of reading the stuff he has to say. Will someone answer my earlier question on CA's Big Smoke? Also, does Smoke mag have anything similar?
Max1a Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 04-07-2000
Posts: 83
You know what torques me!! CA was primarily responsible for the cigar boom that drove up the prices of all my favorite cigars and made it almost impossible to find or afford most brands that I enjoyed long before the boom. Never read the rag except on the stand. Smoke mag rules.
aberdeen Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 06-11-1999
Posts: 741
CL, Rothman writes an article for Smoke
CL Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2000
Posts: 855
I've read his articles -- I agree with you -- his no-bull attitude makes for a good read. In his catalog, even though he's just advertising, he's still just as entertaining.
CL Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2000
Posts: 855
Oh -- when I asked about Smoke mag, I meant to ask if they had anything similar to CA's Big Smoke events. You'd think with CA's magazine format change and all the disappointment it's bringing out Smoke could have a pretty good turnout if they decided to put on a similar event. When I go to one, hopefully this coming year, I just want to go to the best.
TaxMan1 Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 03-24-2008
Posts: 78
CL-I share your concern. I'm already committed(re:paid) to the Big Smoke in Vegas in November. I'll let you know how it is although I have nothing to compare it to. I think smoke mag had a Cigar Noir smoker on a fairly regular basis back during the boom. Not aware of anything now. Maybe we all ought to e their websit with our comments?
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