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Many in GOP see attack differently
rfenst Offline
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Poll: Only about 4 in 10 call deadly Capitol riot violent

Associated Press

WASHINGTON — The fighting — so primitive and ferocious that one Capitol Police officer described it as “medieval” and another as a “trip to hell” — left more than 100 law enforcement personnel injured, some beaten with their own weapons.
Video cameras captured the violence live, with rioters clubbing officers with flagpoles and fire extinguishers, even squeezing one between doors as he begged for his life.

Yet only about 4 in 10 Republicans recall the Jan. 6 attack by supporters of then-President Donald Trump as very violent or extremely violent, according to a new poll conducted Dec. 2-7 from Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. About 3 in 10 Republicans say the attack was not violent, and about another 3 in 10 say it was somewhat violent.

Their views were a distinct minority as overall about two-thirds of Americans described the day as very or extremely violent, including about 9 in 10 Democrats.


The findings reflect the country’s political polarization, with a false portrayal of the siege taking hold despite extensive footage that shows the ransacking of the building in harrowing detail. Trump and some allies in Congress and conservative media have played it down, falsely characterizing the attack as a minor civil disturbance.

It’s a view that is shared by many Republicans, though few go so far as to defend the rioters themselves.
“My understanding was that a lot of it was pretty peaceful,” Paul Bender, a self-described conservative from Cleveland, told The Associated Press in a recent interview. “I’ve seen some video of the people just like marching in through a velvet rope.”

Bender, who said he didn’t keep up with the news coverage, added, “There were certainly outlier people who were not peaceful and were breaking through the windows and stuff like that, but I wasn’t aware of overt violence.”

Meanwhile, the percentage of Americans who blame Trump for the Jan. 6 riot has grown slightly over the past year, with 57% saying he bears significant responsibility for what took place. In an AP-NORC poll taken in the days after the attack, 50% said that.

The uptick is seen among Republicans as well, even as relatively few think Trump bears significant responsibility. Twenty-two percent say that now, up from 11% last year. Sixty percent say he had little to no responsibility.


“I don’t believe that he actively was like promoting people to do anything other than a peaceful protest,” Bender, 53, said. “However, once things got out of hand, I think that it would have been appropriate for him to have reacted sooner, whether that was a statement or going on the radio or TV or whatever.”

The insurrection was the closing act of Trump’s desperate effort to overturn his election loss to Joe Biden.

After Trump’s baseless claims of voter fraud were soundly rejected in the courts, he shifted his focus to the Electoral College certification on Jan. 6, publicly pressuring then-Vice President Mike Pence to stop Congress from naming Biden the winner. Pence did not have that power under the law, as the vice president’s function is largely ceremonial.

Trump promoted the Jan. 6 rally that preceded the attack, predicting it would be “wild,” and in a speech that day urged his supporters to “fight like hell” as Congress convened to certify the election results.

The attack halted that process for hours as rioters occupied the building.

Still, while few Republicans blame Trump, Republicans and Democrats alike overwhelmingly say that the individual rioters had a great deal or quite a bit of responsibility for their actions during the riot.

“I think there were strong supporters of President Trump that were there, but I think the people that caused the attacks might not have been true Trump supporters,” said Mary Beth Bell of Jacksonville, Florida. “Because I know a lot of Trump supporters, and they see what happened on Jan. 6 as disgusting as I do.”

About 7 in 10 Americans also say a House select committee should continue its investigation of the attack, while about 3 in 10 say it should not.

Robert Spry, a Democrat in Kingman, Arizona, said the congressional investigation is crucial for getting at the truth.
“We need a comprehensive report of that day. It has got to come to light what those people did to police and to that building,” Spry said.

The 63-year-old, who used to vote Republican but now considers himself a conservative Democrat, said the protest-turned-attack appeared chaotic at first but the committee’s findings are making it “more and more clear that it was planned in advance.”

Forty-one percent of Republicans agree with Spry that Congress should continue to investigate, while 58% say it should not.

Bell said a federal investigation into what she saw as “a terrorist attack” is appropriate, but she objects to the way the nine-member panel has been conducting the investigation since July of last year.

“They’re not listening to all the information. I feel like it’s one-sided more or less than trying to investigate everything,” she said of the committee, composed of seven Democrats and two Republicans.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., chose all the members of the committee after rejecting the choices of House GOP leadership.
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Um... the "deadly" capitol riot was only deadly for 1 unarmed, female protestor.
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It basically was a unguided tour, also the violence was caused by ANTIFA.
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It was a mostly peaceful protest.
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MACS wrote:
Um... the "deadly" capitol riot was only deadly for 1 unarmed, female protestor.


Are you saying that because only one protestor got shot dead that there wasn't deadly violence? You are merely mincing words.

You might want to read this for starters: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/01/prosecutors-jan-6-police-assaults-508720

Got any idea of the number of law enforcement who were on duty, in the melee, and who since committed suicide?

Got any idea of the number of law enforcement still unable to return to their jobs due to injuries?

YMMV.
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rfenst wrote:
Are you saying that because only one protestor got shot dead that there wasn't deadly violence? You are merely mincing words.

You might want to read this for starters: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/01/prosecutors-jan-6-police-assaults-508720

Got any idea of the number of law enforcement who were on duty, in the melee, and who since committed suicide?

Got any idea of the number of law enforcement still unable to return to their jobs due to injuries?

YMMV.


Do we have comparable numbers for Portland, Seattle, DC, and Minneapolis where mostly peaceful protests and violence was perfectly acceptable and encouraged? Remember that DC was also under siege in the summer of 2020 by BLM and Antifa and that was fine? They got Black Lives Matter Plaza named after them for those attacks!

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Kamala's RIOTING SEAL OF APPROVAL:

“Everyone beware. They're not gonna stop before election day in November, and they're not gonna stop after election day ... They’re not gonna let up, and they should not.”

IT'S THE THING!
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HockeyDad wrote:
Do we have comparable numbers for Portland, Seattle, DC, and Minneapolis where mostly peaceful protests and violence was perfectly acceptable and encouraged? Remember that DC was also under siege in the summer of 2020 by BLM and Antifa and that was fine? They got Black Lives Matter Plaza named after them for those attacks!

I agree that all you listed is real bad and unacceptable. But, that has no bearing whatsoever about what actually occurred. You are basically defending your position with: But, what about..., which has no bearing on the actions of those at the Capitol that day. Knowing you well, I want to presume you are just playing the "devils advocate."
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rfenst wrote:
I agree that all you listed is real bad and unacceptable. But, that has no bearing whatsoever about what actually occurred. You are basically defending your position with: But, what about..., which has no bearing on the actions of those at the Capitol that day. Knowing you well, I want to presume you are just playing the "devils advocate."


All that I listed is not bad and unacceptable. It was good and acceptable. My position is you cannot desensitize everyone to riots, looting, destruction and killings and then all of a sudden say this particular case was not good and acceptable. This one and only this one crossed the line into “bad riot”.

At some point you have to ask if you’re really concerned and devastated over the fact the a Viking seized the Capitol and to what extent of a power grab are you willing to accept for security from future Viking attacks. Let’s throw Trump in prison, line up all the rioters and shoot them for insurrection, and we can establish peace through force.

We are not talking about a siege or insurrection. I’ll entertain that notion when the the Capitol is surrounded by tanks.
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What about a violent ANTIFA OR BLM RIOT...

WHERE buildings get looted, burned and or vandalized along with a few deaths at each major one that happened...
Some for days or weeks on end...

The HIPPOCRASY METER IS PEGGED ON FULL HIGH...

TWO FACED AHOLES WHO DENY THE SAME THINGS happened at both...
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HockeyDad wrote:
All that I listed is not bad and unacceptable. It was good and acceptable. My position is you cannot desensitize everyone to riots, looting, destruction and killings and then all of a sudden say this particular case was not good and acceptable. This one and only this one crossed the line into “bad riot”.

At some point you have to ask if you’re really concerned and devastated over the fact the a Viking seized the Capitol and to what extent of a power grab are you willing to accept for security from future Viking attacks. Let’s throw Trump in prison, line up all the rioters and shoot them for insurrection, and we can establish peace through force.

We are not talking about a siege or insurrection. I’ll entertain that notion when the the Capitol is surrounded by tanks.

We can define "riot", "siege" and "insurrection" differently and that is OK, but there is no doubt about what truly occurred at the Capital. Video will prove it for time immemorial. "Violently attacking the Capitol is not consistent with American democratic traditions. Nor is trying to airbrush the horror of that attack, as many top Republican officials have."
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Sigh….are you trolling now? You’re better than this.

Things we learned today:

The Republican Party is more inclusive than Democrats
No cops died during the mostly peaceful protest as a result of violence
Propaganda is still effective to many
Taking part in dividing the country is patriotic!
The veteran who was murdered died from COVID19
Nancy Pelosi caused this by refusing extra national Guard
Many refuse to look at whom had what to gain and lose from the event but enjoy taking part of channeling approved thought.
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rfenst wrote:
We can define "riot", "siege" and "insurrection" differently and that is OK, but there is no doubt about what truly occurred at the Capital. Video will prove it for time immemorial.


You mean the video of the rioters getting let in the Capitol and walking around within the velvet tour ropes?


Siege

a military operation in which enemy forces surround a town or building, cutting off essential supplies, with the aim of compelling the surrender of those inside.

Riot

a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd


Insurrection

a violent uprising against an authority or government



Now why would a political entity call a riot an insurrection?
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And why is it some video is so readily available and some isn’t?
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^ to not do so would be racist?
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HockeyDad wrote:

Now why would a political entity call a riot an insurrection?


It must have been the numerous pitchforks, torches, and Confederate Flags they saw. Think
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Speyside2 wrote:
It basically was a unguided tour, also the violence was caused by ANTIFA.

Police officer Lt. Michael Byrd was ANTIFA?

Do you just make this sh1t up or does someone do it for you?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Sigh….are you trolling now? You’re better than this.

Things we learned today:

The Republican Party is more inclusive than Democrats
No cops died during the mostly peaceful protest as a result of violence
Propaganda is still effective to many
Taking part in dividing the country is patriotic!
The veteran who was murdered died from COVID19
Nancy Pelosi caused this by refusing extra national Guard
Many refuse to look at whom had what to gain and lose from the event but enjoy taking part of channeling approved thought.

Obviously this is some strange usage of the term “learned” that is previously unknown.
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HockeyDad wrote:
You mean the video of the rioters getting let in the Capitol and walking around within the velvet tour ropes?


Siege

a military operation in which enemy forces surround a town or building, cutting off essential supplies, with the aim of compelling the surrender of those inside.

Riot

a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd


Insurrection

a violent uprising against an authority or government



Now why would a political entity call a riot an insurrection?

The terms are not mutually exclusive.

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How many tickles does it take to tickle an octopus?
Tentacles
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^ if you’re trying to get Victor back with tentacle porn it ain’t gonna work, he’s a “Bronie”.
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What do you do when a rapist is loose in the Everfree forest?
Hydra kids. Hydra wife
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Weren’t the peaceful BLM riots, and in fact the whole organization’s existence, created because of a cop shooting an unarmed person?
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Let's be honest. This wasn't an insurrection, it was a protest that got out of hand and decided to rush the capitol. Yes they were wrong to take it that far. But when federal buildings in Portland were being set on fire for months no one in our glorious media would say a word against the perpetrators unless it was to describe them as peaceful protesters. When Wisconsin was being burned to the ground and looted, again, it was a peaceful protest. Same with Ferguson, Missouri and dozens of other "peaceful" riots across the country. I'm not saying that the protesters in Jan 6th didn't take things too far, but the hypocrisy displayed by the media and the left is staggering, and no one can honestly say it doesn't exist.
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Krazeehorse wrote:
Weren’t the peaceful BLM riots, and in fact the whole organization’s existence, created because of a cop shooting an unarmed person?


The movement began in July 2013, with the use of the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter on social media after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of African-American teen Trayvon Martin 17 months earlier in February 2012.
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Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan

Insurrection...suck it.

The DNC will do and say anything to detract from their cheating and lying.

Say, if you have a sitting President that wants to call in the National Guard because he KNOWS there will be a lot of people....and the Speaker of the House and the Mayor doesn't want them (SIGNED STATEMENTS to prove it!) then he can't invite them to protect the place. The DNC would call it an INVASION!
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HockeyDad wrote:
The movement began in July 2013, with the use of the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter on social media after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of African-American teen Trayvon Martin 17 months earlier in February 2012.


Good times...good times.

When the Left tried to use race as a weapon.

Oh, yeah....It's important to know what BLM is really all about. Dolla billz ya'll!! Bling Bling on ma pinky ringz! Git me a mansion or 2!

http://www.cigarbid.com/...ard-program#post4559111
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ZRX1200 wrote:
And why is it some video is so readily available and some isn’t?

Not saying it can't happen, but who is making sure video isn't available? Show me some video that really depicts the real truth of what happened that day...
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rfenst wrote:
Not saying it can't happen, but who is making sure video isn't available? Show me some video that really tells the real truth of what happened that day...

like the "how-to" video on building gallows to hang an uncooperative VEEP?
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Robert how did CNN get the video of the lady getting shot so fast from the Antifa guy from Utah that happened to be there taking the video.
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By Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Fox News - CBS News buries poll result showing strong bipartisan agreement Jan. 6 was 'a protest that went too far'

The liberal network appeared selective when highlighting its poll asking, 'What happened at the Capitol'


A poll released this week by CBS News is drawing scrutiny on the one-year anniversary of the Jan. 6 riot on Capitol Hill.

The poll, conducted by CBS News and YouGov from Dec. 27-Dec. 30 asked Americans "What happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021?"

"Descriptions of what happened are also similar to how they were a year ago after it happened," CBS News wrote in its article on Sunday. "People widely call it a protest that went too far, but how much further becomes more partisan. Most Americans — including most Democrats, but just a fifth of Republicans — call it an insurrection and describe it as an attempt to overturn the election and the government."

The graphic presented four options to the question as well as the results broken down by party affiliation. 85% of Democrats viewed Jan. 6 as "an insurrection" or "trying to overthrow" the government while only 21% and 18% of Republicans agreed respectively. Meanwhile, the graphic showed that 47% of Republicans viewed Jan. 6 as "patriotism" and 56% viewed it as "defending freedom," something less than 13% of Democrats agreed with. The margin of error was plus or minus 2.6 points.

While CBS acknowledged in its report that Americans "widely call it a protest that went too far," the liberal network significantly downplayed the bipartisan nature of that response.

For starters, "a protest that went too far" was the overwhelming favorite of the 2,046 Americans who were polled with 76% agreeing with that characterization of Jan. 6. The second most popular result was "trying to overturn the election and keep Donald Trump in power" with 63%. Both of those options were omitted in the graphic bolstered by CBS. Meanwhile, "an insurrection," which came at a distant third with 55% of Americans was kept in the graphic among the others which polled even less popular.

Among those who said Jan. 6 was "a protest that went too far," a whopping 80% were Republicans and 69% were Democrats. Those who described themselves as Trump voters felt that way even more so with 84% while 70% of Biden voters felt the same.

Notably, 80% of independents also described Jan. 6 as a "protest that went too far" while only 56% said it was "an insurrection."

Critics panned CBS News for how the Jan. 6 poll was presented.

"CBS News did this poll & one question they asked was if the folks being polled considered the Capitol riot to be "a protest that went too far." CBS must not have liked the results… so they just didn’t include it in the graphic," Washington Examiner reporter Jerry Dunleavy tweeted.

"imo, ‘trying to overthrow the govt’ and ‘an insurrection’ are just as dumb as the other two options," Daily Caller editor-in-chief Geoffrey Ingersoll wrote. "These are all highly flawed political caricatures (cooked up by CBS journos) that Americans should not have to choose between."

"actual out-loud-laugh at the options here," Washington Examiner commentator Becket Adams reacted.

Others blasted the network for not even including "riot" as an option for polled Americans.

"The most accurate description (something along the lines of ‘violent riot’) isn't even an option on this poll," Tablet Magazine's Noam Blum wrote. "This type of poor methodology leads to a ‘circling the wagons’ effect that just spits out partisan results almost regardless of the question itself."

"'A riot' isn't one of the choices. It's also the only accurate choice. This poll sucks," Substack writer Jim Treacher tweeted.

CBS News did not immediately respond to Fox News' request for comment.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Robert how did CNN get the video of the lady getting shot so fast from the Antifa guy from Utah that happened to be there taking the video.

I don't know.

Seems like your suggesting that there is some sort of surreptitious activity or collusion going on and/or that CNN and/or ANTIFA bear(s) responsibility for what occurred on 1/6.

Why is how and who CNN got the video referred to from important to whether it is an accurate depiction of what occurred?
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Ism't Antifa really a figment of trumpian republican imagination ? And if not - what is wrong with being anti-fascist ?
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Um... when you are instructed to move your peaceful protest to the capitol to "fight" for the purposes of stopping a lawful process that has gone unhindered for centuries because the Machiavellian/Malignant Narcissist that told you to do this um... "peaceful protest", "made" you then proceed to invade the capitol for purposes of stopping the election... then that's an insurrection, I don't gaf what you say... that's exactly wtf it is. Your silly little word play doesn't change it... that's why people are getting prosecuted and sent to prison... BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS YOU F*CKING IDIOTS. You're not idiots because you spew it, you're idiots because your blindly following the narrative because your handlers told you to. To me, that decreases your agency and limits your degree of freedom in this world... ie, you're giving your agency to your handlers because for what ever reason you don't really want to think for yourself... good for you!!! F*cking idiots.

And killing liberals... and Pence... they wanted to do those two things, luckily there were no liberals and Pences inside the building at the time of the storm... because they would have died, to think otherwise is extremely naïve.

These people would kill for their dictator... I think some of you would kill for your preferred dictator. Fear makes people take unreasonable positions, and your preferred dictator spreads fear like no one else... IMO, anyone that stepped foot on the grounds and broke the plane should have been shot... dead, like black people would be shot dead if they tried something like that...

That's not what happened though... that's what the "woke" crowd calls privilege... in a fair world, the insurrectionists would be dead.

And now we're arguing whether they are insurrectionists or not? F*cking really?

Oh, my apologies Ray... I misspelled diktator.
RayR Offline
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bgz wrote:


Oh, my apologies Ray... I misspelled diktator.


You Basturd!
RayR Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
Ism't Antifa really a figment of trumpian republican imagination ? And if not - what is wrong with being anti-fascist ?


You can't hide it anymore Tony, we already know you're a member of the cult.
You can stop trying to convince us that ANTIFA is anti-fascist too.Liar Nobody believes it.
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How does Moses make his tea?
Hebrews it
RayR Offline
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LOOK TONY! They caught one of your "ANTI-FASCIST" comrades.

Antifa Sleeper Cell Terrorist Arrested in Pinellas County, Florida, with Homemade Bombs and Weapons on January 6th

January 7, 2022 | sundance

Quote:
A 22-year-old man identified as a member of Antifa was arrested in Pinellas County, Florida, after he was caught with an explosive device near the location of a protest at the Pinellas County courthouse. Something spooked the suspect who was caught running from the scene according to the sheriff’s office.

The local media is trying to avoid noting that Garrett James Smith previously travelled to Portland, Oregon, for training on how to function as what authorities describe as a “sleeper cell.”

Unfortunately, the media reports show “federal agents” quickly responded to the arrest and took over the investigation. We all know what that means.

More...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/01/07/antifa-sleeper-cell-terrorist-arrested-in-pinellas-county-florida-with-homemade-bombs-and-weapons-on-january-6th/
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Did you hear about the circus fire?
It was in tents
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They didn't know trump was only kidding.
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"Smith did not detonate or place the explosive device he made. Gualtieri said Smith has not been cooperating and the Sheriff’s Office doesn’t know why he abandoned his plan or what his political beliefs are. “Smith is what we call a sleeper, and these are the most concerning individuals because there are no opportunities to intervene and thwart their criminal activity before they actually act,” Gualtieri said.

Direct from your article Ray. Sleeper cell was never mentioned exept in the sensationalized title. Though Smith deserves to go to prison for a long time.
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Speyside2 wrote:
"Smith did not detonate or place the explosive device he made. Gualtieri said Smith has not been cooperating and the Sheriff’s Office doesn’t know why he abandoned his plan or what his political beliefs are. “Smith is what we call a sleeper, and these are the most concerning individuals because there are no opportunities to intervene and thwart their criminal activity before they actually act,” Gualtieri said.

Direct from your article Ray. Sleeper cell was never mentioned exept in the sensationalized title. Though Smith deserves to go to prison for a long time.

Good catch.
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he also needs a new GPS if he planned to be at the Capitol on Jan 6
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Speyside2 wrote:
"Smith did not detonate or place the explosive device he made. Gualtieri said Smith has not been cooperating and the Sheriff’s Office doesn’t know why he abandoned his plan or what his political beliefs are. “Smith is what we call a sleeper, and these are the most concerning individuals because there are no opportunities to intervene and thwart their criminal activity before they actually act,” Gualtieri said.

Direct from your article Ray. Sleeper cell was never mentioned exept in the sensationalized title. Though Smith deserves to go to prison for a long time.


So what are you saying? He was a peaceful protester?
He was all ANTFA'ed up, Gualtieri said he was wearing a "black covering over his face" and carrying a black backpack and had a black helmet in it.
He fit the definition of a being in a sleeper cell, Smith had no previous criminal history or social media, which Gualtieri said classified him as a "sleeper," a person with no indications that they would commit a major crime, but on the investigation of his car they found M-80 fireworks and in is residence they found a sawed-off shotgun, short-barrel rifle, and more than 8,000 rounds of ammunition, four grenade-type explosives and a pipe bomb. A sleeper remains dormant until someone or something tells them to activate their diabolical plans.
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The issue is was he a sleeper or part of a sleeper cell which would be more than one.

A sleeper cell would be bad. It if he’s just a sleeper he should be given an airline ticket to the west coast where we would likely elect him to the US congress as an impassioned activist.
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Again you choose to miss what I said. Your article said sleeper cell in the salacious title. The sherif only said sleeper, a HUGE difference. One lone dangerous idiot. Prolly the star in the next dumb and dumber movie.
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Speyside2 wrote:
Again you choose to miss what I said. Your article said sleeper cell in the salacious title. The sherif only said sleeper, a HUGE difference. One lone dangerous idiot. Prolly the star in the next dumb and dumber movie.


So now you don't like salacious titles.
So how do you know he isn't part of a sleeper cell? Do you have inside knowledge Detective Spey2? The first thing I'd want to find out about this ANTIFA fool is he a lone wolf or part of a underground pack of dangerous idiots.
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so, the way it works is not you make a charge and others have to prove it wrong.

It's up to you have to prove the accusations are verifiable...

very similar to why Rudy hasn't won a single claim of a stolen election.
He simply has absolutely nothing after all the noise.


hey spey, how do you know he isn't what I'm saying?
Yeah, that's just the peek-a-boo nonsense of conspiracy lunatics when they know they are wrong. Word games. Nothing tangible.
But when they are right, they provide the goods. Cuz conspiracies and other abuses absolutely do happen in the world. And the stories are amazing!

Like what happened with Watergate. Crazy charge that a President would do that, right?
But it wasn't a wild charge followed by "how do you know it didn't go down that way?".

It wasn't "a Rudy".
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If he is hopefully it is found out. But to call him one now is unfounded and premature.
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#50 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
If he is hopefully it is found out. But to call him one now is unfounded and premature.

absolutely possible, but not because Loo says so
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