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3 spy balloons during Trump's watch
ZRX1200 Offline
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My knee has been hurting, I could go for a joint about now Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#52 Posted:
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It’s a gateway drug.
Brewha Offline
#53 Posted:
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Beer leads to heroine.....
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ZRX1200 wrote:
My knee has been hurting, I could go for a joint about now Mellow



Joints went legal here last week, found another government lie is that it's better now than than it used to be. Not anything like Panama Red was back in the 70's, no giggles, no time distortion, not even an extreme case of munchies.
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Come visit here we grow the best stuff.
Speyside2 Offline
#56 Posted:
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Who cares? Really.
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted:
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Normal peoples... Mellow
Stogie1020 Offline
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Now they are trigger happy. It looks like they just shot "something" else down over Alaskan waters.


It was probably Santa doing a sleigh test flight. RIP Santa.
HockeyDad Offline
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You can almost taste the war that is coming!
Brewha Offline
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Is this what "99 Red Balloons" was about?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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And another one?


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/us-shoots-down-another-balloon-193715718.html
DrafterX Offline
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Was prolly a bald eagle.. Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Did Brandon grope it?
rockmiesterr Offline
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This was clearly a surveillance balloon, to give them updated mapping of mostly not-so populated areas , so as they need farmland ....
They're population is starving..... The New Madrid fault line is about to split North America in two.......China knows this, as they are also monitoring the New Madrid Fault line.
This will be chaos for our country as a whole due to the devastation that is to come of it and the Chinese are willing to
take advantage of the situation ..... Meaning an invasion...... Be Ready Patriots....
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^we can defeat them with the letter "L"... they can't pronounce it, so we win!

We just need to make the secret password "Lululemon".


VICTORY!!!
ZRX1200 Offline
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I’m willing to give them California it they have to take it with them, and they have to leave Taiwan alone.
RayR Online
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
And another one?


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/us-shoots-down-another-balloon-193715718.html


Hmm...sounds to me that they don't know much of anything about it.

"cylindrical and silver-ish gray"
"unknown high-altitude object"
"it wasn't 'flying' with any sort of propulsion"

I bet the space aliens are really pissed. 🛸🔫👽👾😱
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We should send up a balloon over China and see how that...... goes over.
MACS Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
We should send up a balloon over China and see how that...... goes over.


Like a Led Zeppelin?
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First they send boat loads of cheap labor to build our rail roads.

Then they lull us into a false sense of security by selling heathy ethnic food nation wide.

Then they ply us with inexpensive goods across all markets.

Yeah - somthin’ fishy is going on….
RayR Online
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Another UFO shot down over Canada?

BREAKING: TRUDEAU ORDERS SHOOTDOWN: US F-22 Shot Object Down Over Yukon (NORAD Tracking High Altitude Object Over Northern Canada)

By Kristinn Taylor
Published February 11, 2023 at 4:00pm

Quote:
UPDATE: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Saturday afternoon he ordered the shooting down of the unknown object flying over northern Canada.

I ordered the take down of an unidentified object that violated Canadian airspace. @NORADCommand shot down the object over the Yukon. Canadian and U.S. aircraft were scrambled, and a U.S. F-22 successfully fired at the object.

I spoke with President Biden this afternoon. Canadian Forces will now recover and analyze the wreckage of the object. Thank you to NORAD for keeping the watch over North America.

More...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/norad-tracking-high-altitude-object-northern-canada/
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The humanity.. Mellow
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Let a Chinese spy balloon float coast to coast before shooting it down, but have a $13 science project from the Northern Illinois BottleCap Balloon Brigade and we’ll blow that to pieces with a $380,000.00 missile. Brilliant! ThumpUp

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A mystery object shot down by U.S. fighter jets amid ongoing hysteria sparked by a Chinese spy balloon may have been a $12 inflatable launched by a hobby group in Illinois.

The Northern Illinois Bottlecap Balloon Brigade (NIBBB) reported one of its balloons 'missing in action' around the same location - and at the time time - a U.S. Air Force jet downed an unidentified object near Alaska using a $400,000 Sidewinder missile.

NIBBB said its 'K9YO' balloon last reported its location shortly before 1am GMT on Saturday, February 11 (8pm EST on February 10), near the coast of southwest Alaska.

Later on Saturday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau declared an 'unidentified object' was downed over Canada's Yukon territory, several hundred miles from K9YO's last known location.

Modeling shared by NIBBB shows its balloon was headed in the direction of Yukon before it vanished - and opens up the possibility it was one of the suspicious objects down by the U.S. military.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11760443/Did-Joe-Biden-shoot-hobbyists-12-balloon-380-000-missile.html
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I think the word we are all looking for here is "incompetent"...
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Stogie1020 wrote:
I think the word we are all looking for here is "incompetent"...

The whole administration is a shytshow defined with that very word, from KJP to Sleepy Joe, Mayor Pete and everyone in between.
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F×ck Joe Biden... Mellow
MACS Offline
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We pop one more balloon and we win a stuffed toy!!

Also made in China.
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Yeah, it's a no on the stuffed toy... maybe some Chiclets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUQkbXWwJhQ
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Seven dee NINE!
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Whose counting anyway????

Big as TREE BUSES ...

OR

BIG "AS A CAR"......
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According to the Biden administration, they've been doing this since the late 70's. A recently unclassified and damning photo was found in Biden's garage as proof.

https://tinyurl.com/Top-Secret-Photos



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Remember that 4 star Air Force general that said it was happening during Trump? LIAR!

"The US military and intelligence community had been tracking the Chinese spy balloon since it launched from a base on Hainan Island near the southern coast of China — and officials are looking into the possibility that it may have drifted off course, according to a report.

US officials told the Washington Post on Tuesday that the balloon shot down off the coast of South Carolina earlier this month had been monitored for nearly a week before it penetrated US airspace, and that it initially appeared that the surveillance device was heading toward Guam before it took an unexpected turn to the north.

Intelligence analysts are not sure whether the balloon’s sharp turn north was intentional or accidental, but believe the surveillance craft was likely on its way to spy on US military installations in the Pacific before its path suddenly shifted.

The balloon wound up floating over Alaska’s Aleutian Islands on Jan. 28 and then entered Canada before strong winds appear to have pushed it south into the continental US on Jan. 31, the officials told the Washington Post, adding that analysts are examining the possibility that China didn’t intentionally direct the spy craft to penetrate the US mainland."


https://nypost.com/2023/02/15/us-believes-chinese-spy-balloon-was-blown-off-course-after-launch-from-hainan-island/


We spend close to a trillion dollars on our military and they act like they just "tweaked" a knob or something to allow for balloons? Nice misdirection...that dog don't hunt. Pedo Joe let it happen.
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I heard a hobbyist group is missing one of their balloons.

Unidentified balloons are nothing new and nobody thought of shooting them down.
Two from 2020 news reports...

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/ufo-denver-faa-colorado-weather-balloon/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/17/national/mysterious-balloon-like-object-spotted-above-sendai/

Is there anything more stupid than Biden ordering the shooting down of unidentified objects with those expensive sidewinder missiles? He's just doing it because his handlers told him that it'll make him look like a badazz instead of the weak fool that he is.
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RayR wrote:
I heard a hobbyist group is missing one of their balloons.

Unidentified balloons are nothing new and nobody thought of shooting them down.
Two from 2020 news reports...

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/ufo-denver-faa-colorado-weather-balloon/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/17/national/mysterious-balloon-like-object-spotted-above-sendai/

Is there anything more stupid than Biden ordering the shooting down of unidentified objects with those expensive sidewinder missiles? He's just doing it because his handlers told him that it'll make him look like a badazz instead of the weak fool that he is.



it is a complete no win situation... If he shoots it down people get pissed and complain he wasted resources and money... if he does shoot it down the same people complain he left the US vulnerable and is week on Defense of our air space...
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drglnc wrote:
it is a complete no win situation... If he shoots it down people get pissed and complain he wasted resources and money... if he does shoot it down the same people complain he left the US vulnerable and is week on Defense of our air space...



I don't believe shooting down a balloon with a 400K sidewinder missile when you want to examine the debris is the right tool for the job. 20 or even 50MM machine gun fire would've done and it would enable the balloon to glide back to earth making collection a lot easier. Jus' sayin'...I mean most surgeons use a scalpel when an axe would do.
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drglnc wrote:
it is a complete no win situation... If he shoots it down people get pissed and complain he wasted resources and money... if he does shoot it down the same people complain he left the US vulnerable and is week on Defense of our air space...


C'mon man. You can't truly believe that they can't differentiate weather balloon or some hobby club balloon (which probably only drift a 100 miles or so max) from one they let drift over the entire Pacific ocean and an entire continent carrying a payload the size of 3 buses.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
C'mon man. You can't truly believe that they can't differentiate weather balloon or some hobby club balloon (which probably only drift a 100 miles or so max) from one they let drift over the entire Pacific ocean and an entire continent carrying a payload the size of 3 buses.



C'mon man. You can't truly believe that any of his critics would actually believe him if he said it was a hobby balloon that posed no threat...
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drglnc wrote:
C'mon man. You can't truly believe that any of his critics would actually believe him if he said it was a hobby balloon that posed no threat...


Which one, the hobby/weather balloon that has a flight time of probably a few hours and a range of a 100 miles or so or the spy balloon that they allowed to drift thousands of miles and a flight time on the order of weeks?

Him and his administration deserve criticism from both episodes.

1) They tracked the balloon all the way across the Pacific ocean and all the way across the continent and did nothing until it completed it's journey and they shot it down in the Atlantic.

2) After being criticized on that, they try to pretend that are serious and pretend a show of force and shoot down hobby/weather balloons.

He's probably being briefed on the dangers of the local Estes rockets that folks launch on a daily basis. Gotta send out the National Guard and A-10's to shoot them out of the air as a show of protecting the US air space.
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https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/hobby-clubs-missing-balloon-feared-shot-down-usaf

Huh...
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I don't believe shooting down a balloon with a 400K sidewinder missile when you want to examine the debris is the right tool for the job. 20 or even 50MM machine gun fire would've done and it would enable the balloon to glide back to earth making collection a lot easier. Jus' sayin'...I mean most surgeons use a scalpel when an axe would do.



Didn't realize you were an experienced fighter pilot... You really think Biden made the choice of Guns vs Missile?

17 Year Vet and current Major in the Air Force reserves with over 1000 hours in the F-16, also qualified on the f-18 and spent time conducting the role of adversary air with F-22 pilots while flying the T-38, Major C.W. Lemoine explains the reason for not using Guns...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WfUXU9N7YA

in case one source isn't enough...

‘In 1998 Canadian CF-18s tried to shoot down a rogue weather balloon that went out of control drifting between 27,000 to 37,000 ft. It took 6 days for the balloon to fall despite RCAF CF-18s firing over 1,000 rounds of ammunition in multiple attack-runs. While the attack caused extensive punctures on the balloon, it failed to fully release the helium gas which kept the balloon flying. In fact, instead of falling on the ground the balloon ended up drifting across Canada and out to the Atlantic Ocean for almost a week."

‘While using the gun would appear as a more cost-effective solution for such a shot-down, in reality it’s not only ineffective but might as well be a far worse solution"

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-why-the-usaf-f-22-used-the-aim-9x-rather-than-the-gun-to-shoot-down-the-chinese-spy-balloon-and-why-the-sidewinder-dont-need-to-see-something-hot-in-order-to/
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Which one, the hobby/weather balloon that has a flight time of probably a few hours and a range of a 100 miles or so or the spy balloon that they allowed to drift thousands of miles and a flight time on the order of weeks?

Him and his administration deserve criticism from both episodes.

1) They tracked the balloon all the way across the Pacific ocean and all the way across the continent and did nothing until it completed it's journey and they shot it down in the Atlantic.

2) After being criticized on that, they try to pretend that are serious and pretend a show of force and shoot down hobby/weather balloons.

He's probably being briefed on the dangers of the local Estes rockets that folks launch on a daily basis. Gotta send out the National Guard and A-10's to shoot them out of the air as a show of protecting the US air space.




Thanks for proving my point... It is a no win situation... you wont be happy with either action or inaction...
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drglnc wrote:
Thanks for proving my point... It is a no win situation... you wont be happy with either action or inaction...


In the first case he under reacted and let a foreign airship fly in US airspace to collect whatever information they were trying to collect. Then they tried to safe face by shooting it down (after it collected data).

In the second case he over reacted to try to save face but ends up with another dope slap.

Both are justified in their criticism. If proving your point is that the current administration is a complete set of bumbling fools, then yeah, I helped prove your point.

The win-win would have been to shoot down the "hostile" balloon before it did it's duty and leaving the hobby balloons alone.

If you can't see that, then I can't help you.
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drglnc wrote:
Didn't realize you were an experienced fighter pilot... You really think Biden made the choice of Guns vs Missile?

17 Year Vet and current Major in the Air Force reserves with over 1000 hours in the F-16, also qualified on the f-18 and spent time conducting the role of adversary air with F-22 pilots while flying the T-38, Major C.W. Lemoine explains the reason for not using Guns...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WfUXU9N7YA

in case one source isn't enough...

‘In 1998 Canadian CF-18s tried to shoot down a rogue weather balloon that went out of control drifting between 27,000 to 37,000 ft. It took 6 days for the balloon to fall despite RCAF CF-18s firing over 1,000 rounds of ammunition in multiple attack-runs. While the attack caused extensive punctures on the balloon, it failed to fully release the helium gas which kept the balloon flying. In fact, instead of falling on the ground the balloon ended up drifting across Canada and out to the Atlantic Ocean for almost a week."

‘While using the gun would appear as a more cost-effective solution for such a shot-down, in reality it’s not only ineffective but might as well be a far worse solution"

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-why-the-usaf-f-22-used-the-aim-9x-rather-than-the-gun-to-shoot-down-the-chinese-spy-balloon-and-why-the-sidewinder-dont-need-to-see-something-hot-in-order-to/



Had no idea we actually had "Maverick" in the house. Biden made no choices at all. Lets just stop right there. The guy can't even articulate what flavor of ice cream he just ate. The 1st vid you posted was worth watching. Read some of the comments in it as well. If they had used machine guns when it was over the Aleutian Islands I'm pretty confident it wouldn't have made it to the mainland making that a zero risk situation. Instead it was allowed to fly over the entire US and was only made an issue when a professional photographer snapped pics of it over Montana and the AP wire service picked it up. So, "Maverick", how is it you know about fighter jets but not how defense systems are appropriated?
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BuckyB93 wrote:
In the first case he under reacted and let a foreign airship fly in US airspace to collect whatever information they were trying to collect. Then they tried to safe face by shooting it down (after it collected data).

In the second case he over reacted to try to save face but ends up with another dope slap.

Both are justified in their criticism. If proving your point is that the current administration is a complete set of bumbling fools, then yeah, I helped prove your point.

The win-win would have been to shoot down the "hostile" balloon before it did it's duty and leaving the hobby balloons alone.

If you can't see that, then I can't help you.



Milley alerted Biden to the original balloon on Tuesday... Biden then asked for military options, including the immediate destruction of the aircraft. and ordered that no activities or sensitive unencrypted communications would be conducted in the path of the balloon... The Military experts then advised against shooting it down due to the possible problems the debris could cause... If he had not listened and decided to shoot it down that day he would be criticized for that as well... and would then be to blame for any damage the debris caused...

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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Had no idea we actually had "Maverick" in the house. Biden made no choices at all. Lets just stop right there. The guy can't even articulate what flavor of ice cream he just ate. The 1st vid you posted was worth watching. Read some of the comments in it as well. If they had used machine guns when it was over the Aleutian Islands I'm pretty confident it wouldn't have made it to the mainland making that a zero risk situation. Instead it was allowed to fly over the entire US and was only made an issue when a professional photographer snapped pics of it over Montana and the AP wire service picked it up. So, "Maverick", how is it you know about fighter jets but not how defense systems are appropriated?



those service details refer to Major C.W. Lemoine who agrees that the right decision was made... once you have his experience i will continue to care what you have to say on the mater..
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drglnc wrote:
those service details refer to Major C.W. Lemoine who agrees that the right decision was made... once you have his experience i will continue to care what you have to say on the mater..



You come off like a man that's never served in any branch of service so, please....yes...ignore not just myself but the nose on your own face too!
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You come off like a man that's never served in any branch of service so, please....yes...ignore not just myself but the nose on your own face too!


thanks for the assumption... While you are correct that i have never "served IN any branch of service" however... i have spent 12 years overseas with 5 years as an Air Force Civilian in support of Multiple branches on Okinawa, 2 Years as a civilian supporting the Army in Germany, A year in Taiwan supporting State Department, 4 years in Turkey supporting state department (My Family literately got out of Ankara just before the 2016 coup attempt) as well as TDY to China for State Department and additional experience and travel in support of Codels, Cabinet Member visits, VP and Presidential travel for G7 and G20 visits, Nato Events and have spent the last almost 7 years domestically in support of the State department as a Contractor. so yea... i have some experience with the Military and federal Government in General...
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drglnc wrote:
thanks for the assumption... While you are correct that i have never "served IN any branch of service" however... i have spent 12 years overseas with 5 years as an Air Force Civilian in support of Multiple branches on Okinawa, 2 Years as a civilian supporting the Army in Germany, A year in Taiwan supporting State Department, 4 years in Turkey supporting state department (My Family literately got out of Ankara just before the 2016 coup attempt) as well as TDY to China for State Department and additional experience and travel in support of Codels, Cabinet Member visits, VP and Presidential travel for G7 and G20 visits, Nato Events and have spent the last almost 7 years domestically in support of the State department as a Contractor. so yea... i have some experience with the Military and federal Government in General...


as a civilian...got it.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
as a civilian...got it.


Yes, Proudly... Not everyone can join the military but many still have the desire to serve our country... The Airforce alone employees almost 200k civilians in positions that active duty folks don't fill. See, i don't just talk about supporting our country and our Military... i actually do it... between my Wife and myself we have over 40 years of service to our country and have no plan to stop any time soon.
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Old Sniffy lied, they knew about it when it launched NOT when it made it to Alaska….they’re constantly lying….Pete is getting ZERO media heat….pretty rad
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