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Gurkha? Why?
Mraia Offline
#1 Posted:
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I know there is much hate for Gurkhas. I think I know that there was some shady business at one point though Im not sure what thats all about.
But are these things as bad as people say? are they all irredeemable? Theres a LOT of them around here, and the few that I have had have for the most part been ok, or not objectionable. SOMEONE IS BUYING THESE THINGS! And enjoying them.
So Im just curious what about them illicits such disdain.

Please note Im not advocating for them. Im simply curious why they seem to be disliked so intently.

Thanks all. Confused
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#2 Posted:
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There’s a lot of rumors that I can’t verify but one thing is for me they’re not consistent. Used to like the vintage something or other Bought more years ago and they just weren’t the cigar I remember.
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
There’s a lot of rumors that I can’t verify but one thing is for me they’re not consistent. Used to like the vintage something or other Bought more years ago and they just weren’t the cigar I remember.



fair enough Jake. Thanks!
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I liked the Centurion, the Grand Reserve, and the Beauty. The Titan was awful and the Chairman Select was definitely not worth what I paid for it.

I’m not against Gurkhas, but I don’t think I’ll be buying a 5er of anything new from them.
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Huzza3045 wrote:
I liked the Centurion, the Grand Reserve, and the Beauty. The Titan was awful and the Chairman Select was definitely not worth what I paid for it.

I’m not against Gurkhas, but I don’t think I’ll be buying a 5er of anything new from them.


Yah, seems to be mostly a quality/consistency issue.
drglnc Offline
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Gurkha is a brand that leaves many divided. The issue really stems from the fact that they do not Own a factory. They market and in some cases create the blend and then that is farmed out to other companies for manufacturing. This leads to inconsistent product and some feel is a bit shady as they do not always reveal what factory makes which cigars. They have some great marketing but some lines of the cigars leave much to be desired which tends to taint the ones that are actually decent.
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Doesn’t help that Kaizad Hansotia didn’t care for cigars that much.

Then he #gotcancelled

He was good at marketing. And I don’t think it was so much QC as it was introducing good/great cigars then magically they all went to pot. The QC issue was some blends having a tendency to explode.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Doesn’t help that Kaizad Hansotia didn’t care for cigars that much.

Then he #gotcancelled

He was good at marketing. And I don’t think it was so much QC as it was introducing good/great cigars then magically they all went to pot. The QC issue was some blends having a tendency to explode.



I completely forgot about his Social Media issues. I forget what he said specifically but do remember that he claimed his account was hacked.

I do find the history of how the company started to be fascinating. He knew nothing about cigars or the industry when he bought the current stock and name from a small business for just a couple hundred bucks.
tonygraz Offline
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Gurkha now has a factory. I just might be the local expert on Gurkhas here. I did 2 or three Gurkfests on the what we are smoking forum. I bought and smoked a great number of Gurks starting around 2010 or maybe even earlier. They were mostly pretty cheap on CBID over several years. I have or tried 105 varieties and really liked a few of them. Most are yard gars tho and a few were rather horrible. . I still have a few in stock that I smoke that I liked. As for the good ones, most of them dropped in quality or were discontinued. As for what they have now I would only recommend the Ghosts. The Status brand torpedos were pretty good several years ago, but who knows now. So basically it's a crap shoot and the house has a huge advantage.
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Gurkha putting any new stuff out that’s worthy tony?
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drglnc wrote:

I do find the history of how the company started to be fascinating. He knew nothing about cigars or the industry when he bought the current stock and name from a small business for just a couple hundred bucks.

Besides the countless lines of sticks with inconsistent results, part of the knock on them is the lack of credibility. Buying the name to a “company” and then acting like you’ve been in business 125+ years, and putting crazy MSRPs on then sticks that are perpetually sold at 76% off (just got another of those frequent emails as I type this) are a couple of examples. It’s not a $35 cigar because you say it is, it’s not a premium smoke, it’s a crappy stick that can be had at the price point it belongs like $5. And nobody needs a challenge coin or Rambo knife to sweeten the pot, just give me a better produced cigar at a legit price. Kaizad seemed to have a vision of selling products via smoke and mirrors with packaging and designs leading you to think you were getting something better than you were, but when taken out of the box and smoked wasn’t very good. The inconsistencies could be attributed to not having their own factory and farming out their production all around the business, hopefully now that they have their own factory they can right the ship. I am intrigued by some of their vitolas, but haven’t bought a Gurkha in many years and probably won’t anytime soon.
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^ what he said ^
ZRX1200 Offline
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To be fair, I think The East India Trading Company would be, and he bought that naming right.

It could also be that Rolls Royce is that old and it’s a proximity thing.

YMMV
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JGKAMIN wrote:
Besides the countless lines of sticks with inconsistent results, part of the knock on them is the lack of credibility. Buying the name to a “company” and then acting like you’ve been in business 125+ years, and putting crazy MSRPs on then sticks that are perpetually sold at 76% off (just got another of those frequent emails as I type this) are a couple of examples. It’s not a $35 cigar because you say it is, it’s not a premium smoke, it’s a crappy stick that can be had at the price point it belongs like $5. And nobody needs a challenge coin or Rambo knife to sweeten the pot, just give me a better produced cigar at a legit price. Kaizad seemed to have a vision of selling products via smoke and mirrors with packaging and designs leading you to think you were getting something better than you were, but when taken out of the box and smoked wasn’t very good. The inconsistencies could be attributed to not having their own factory and farming out their production all around the business, hopefully now that they have their own factory they can right the ship. I am intrigued by some of their vitolas, but haven’t bought a Gurkha in many years and probably won’t anytime soon.



It was a bad omen.
corey sellers Offline
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They don't suck at all ....

If you like dry newspaper that has goose **** sprayed across it . Have you ever been trimming the yard and hit goose **** , well thats the same flavor. They are also rolled with asbestos sprayed leafs.

Just sayin....
corey sellers Offline
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What he said I didn't read it but I will agree.
JGKAMIN Offline
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Their website leads right to this which explains a lot. Does anybody honestly consider them an “ultra-premium” product? So good even the finest CCs, Opus Xs or Padrons could only dream of being in such company, Kaizad took the industry to another level.

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”The company has continuously rolled out meticulously handcrafted cigars, epitomizing all that is luxury. In 1989, Kaizad Hansotia decided to resurrect a cigar brand rich in tradition and steeped in legend and history. Gurkha cigars were created more than a century ago and were known for their meticulously and artisanal handcrafted cigars, but when Hansotia revived the brand, there was no way he could have known that the cigar industry was about to experience a boom and he would have the perfect product to attract the new cigar consumer. In realizing that there were no super premium cigars, he created the association with elegance for which the cigars have become known. In reviving Gurkha, Hansotia created cigars that were not a necessity but rather a luxury and an indulgence.

Today, Gurkha makes a cigar for all price points and all palates, but when it began, Gurkha cigars were unlike other cigars on the market. They also came in highly ornate packaging and with a steep price tag. Hansotia felt that there was a market for more luxurious and exclusive cigars for those with tastes for only the finer and more elusive products. In focusing on this segment, Hansotia created the ultra-premium cigar category.

“Gurkha Currently Has Over 105 Brands But Is Still Considered A Boutique Cigar Manufacturer”

Gurkha has several brands that cater to every premium cigar smoker, including the very elite. For many Gurkha cigars are seen as a status symbol and are synonymous with sumptuousness and exclusivity. However, a beautifully handcrafted and aromatic cigar can be enjoyed by anyone and embodies the pleasure and enjoyment of all good things found in life. For centuries, cigars have been associated with enjoyment and a celebratory lifestyle: smoking a cigar is nothing short of a memorable experience.”



https://gurkhacigars.com/
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ZRX1200 wrote:
To be fair, I think The East India Trading Company would be, and he bought that naming right.

It could also be that Rolls Royce is that old and it’s a proximity thing.

YMMV

He bought a street vendor’s supply of cigars called Gurkha. The rest is very deceptive at best, and a quite a reach IMO.

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A Brief History of Gurkha Cigars

It all started with Kaizad Hansotia, a man of Indian descent, raised in Hong Kong and London who was the son of a wealthy family that made luxury watches and other various timepieces. He was on vacation in India in the ancient year of 1989 (mind you I was born in 1988), when he met a Portuguese man rolling and selling cigars under the name of Gurkha. What a Portuguese man was doing in India rolling cigars, I have no clue, but Kaizad was so fascinated by this art he decided to buy all of the man’s tobacco and entire inventory for a grand total of a whopping $149. The original plan was to use these cigars to hand out to customers as gifts for his family timepiece business. After all, who doesn’t love a good cigar, right?

Kaizad sent one of the first boxes of Gurkha Cigars to his friend who owned a duty free shop, and his customers went nuts wanting to buy more. Kaizad saw an opportunity to make money off of high-end cigars which lead him to pursue well known manufacturers in the industry to help him get started. The first person he talked to was Charlie Torano (perhaps you’ve heard of him?) and Torano cigars agreed to roll Gurkha’s first ever cigars. After this momentous occasion in the history of Gurkha cigars, a brand was born so wonderful that it even made its way to the White House in the 1990s, which will forever be part of Oral Oval Office history.

The Origin of the Name

Okay, so what’s with the name Gurkha? Sure, the Portuguese man in India sold cigars under the name Gurkha, but there is a reason behind the name. If you read the first line in the last section, you’ll notice I mentioned Gurkha Cigar’s 125th Anniversary. Well, how can this be, with a company that was formed in the 1980s? The answer is simple: the name reflects how long cigars have been referred to as Gurkhas, not how long the company has been rolling cigars. Now you’re probably spewing bourbon all over your computer screen, appalled that I would even suggest that you ever once referred to a cigar as a Gurkha. Let me explain.

The term Gurkha was originally a name given to Nepalese fighters who carried those bad ass Khukuri swords. You know, the one the man on the Gurkha label is holding? Well, during the British occupation of nearly the entire world in the late 1880s, colonial soldiers became enamored with the skill and history of the Gurkha warriors in Nepal. As a tribute to these warriors whom the British defeated, all the cigars the colonial soldiers made were called Gurkhas instead of cigars. The name spread through the British colonies, eventually finding its way to India which explains the Portuguese man’s brand name of Gurkha.

Kaizad decided to keep the name after he bought the small company to continue paying tribute to the Nepalese warriors alive and well and to pay honor to the history of British rule. This lead to the various lines of Gurkha Cigars such as the Red Witch under the East India Trading Company line and His Majesty’s Reserve in their limited edition line to be born with such awesome historical names.
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I bought a 5ver of the 125th Anniversary Gurkhas. Holy Ch*t were they terrible! I saw that it had made a top 25 list 10 years ago or so, and I thought "maybe they've kept the blend up. Success breeds success and all. Surely they wouldn't take a top 25 mention and squander it by letting the blend reduce to goose ch*t. That would be a terrible business model." But they did. I gave one to Tele as a gag with a 10er I sent him. He stopped posting here soon thereafter.

Maybe I'll send one to Jake next. He's a tough guy.

On the Chairman Select Huzza mentioned, I believe you. It could be a difference in taste or that you got a bad batch (ref: inconsistency). I got a ten pack a couple years ago now, and they were decent. If I had any faith that the next batch would taste the same, I might consider another 5. But I lack faith.
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JGKAMIN wrote:
I hate Rolls Royce




10-4
JGKAMIN Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I like quoting somebody but changing the actual words.

d'oh!
tonygraz Offline
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
Gurkha putting any new stuff out that’s worthy tony?


Not that I know of, but I haven't been trying them in the last year or so. Leebot got the 125th right.
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Tony probably has some decent Gurkhas. I don't think they every made them while i bought them. Widow makers and war pigs are the 2 I remember.
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I had some Copper Labels, but I may have smoked them all. I still have a few Ancient Warrior presidentes, but I don't now if they are the good ones. I still have a handful or two of the Black Dragon Nublizers which are good but mostly one dimensional. Might have a Ghost or two. Anything else is forgetable and probably yard gar status.

The widow makers and bellicoso Warpigs were decent when they first came out, but they went downhill soon after.

Just checked the spreadsheet and I should have a few recent 5rs somewhere in storage.
ZRX1200 Offline
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JGKAMIN wrote:
#metoo

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“Gurkha Currently Has Over 105 Brands But Is Still Considered A Boutique Cigar Manufacturer”

They use that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.

Tiver Offline
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Hey there Mraia

From what these guys have to say it seems almost a certainty that you can't count on Gurkha. I had a few from sampler bundles a few years ago. Even though I wasn't even a casual smoker they didn't bring anything to the table that made me think I would move to buying any on purpose.

Well a couple months ago I was taken by the ad copy and bought some Beauties. Read the copy and you would believe the world would surely be a miserable place without the existence of the Gurkha Beauty. Seemed like a deal for such an incredible smoke. Smoked one. It's a pretty lightweight stick for being as large as it is. Really loosely rolled. The draw was like a hurricane through a screen door. It smoked really fast, but not hot. Still, I decided it was probably too dry and only smoked half. I will wait a for while to try another once the moisture settles upward. I don't have high hopes, but the first one did not offend me at the time.

Everything I've picked up on Gurkha would suggest it's much more of a brand than a cigar. They seem to do the branding thing pretty well.
Mraia Offline
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Tiver wrote:
Hey there Mraia

From what these guys have to say it seems almost a certainty that you can't count on Gurkha. I had a few from sampler bundles a few years ago. Even though I wasn't even a casual smoker they didn't bring anything to the table that made me think I would move to buying any on purpose.

Well a couple months ago I was taken by the ad copy and bought some Beauties. Read the copy and you would believe the world would surely be a miserable place without the existence of the Gurkha Beauty. Seemed like a deal for such an incredible smoke. Smoked one. It's a pretty lightweight stick for being as large as it is. Really loosely rolled. The draw was like a hurricane through a screen door. It smoked really fast, but not hot. Still, I decided it was probably too dry and only smoked half. I will wait a for while to try another once the moisture settles upward. I don't have high hopes, but the first one did not offend me at the time.

Everything I've picked up on Gurkha would suggest it's much more of a brand than a cigar. They seem to do the branding thing pretty well.


Yup that seems to be the consensus. I actually tried one, maybe a year ago. I dont know what it was, and I dont even remember how I got it (sampler maybe?). Anyway, it was unremarkable. To be sure, I didnt find anything wrong with it, but that may be due to
1. My unsophisticated palate
2. I got a good one
3. It sucked and I just didnt realize it.

Either way, Im probably going to avoid them.
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My palate is pretty unsophisticated as well. It’s possible that my earlier recommendations were garbage. I just know “smooth smoke”, “spicy smoke”, “leather smoke”, and “mild smoke”.
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Huzza3045 wrote:
My palate is pretty unsophisticated as well. It’s possible that my earlier recommendations were garbage. I just know “smooth smoke”, “spicy smoke”, “leather smoke”, and “mild smoke”.

If you have smoked a Gurkah in the last few years, you also know "Crappy smoke"...
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Smoked a Gurkha Nicaragua series toro today while doing yard work, I think it's a fairly new variety and it was only a month ago I bought it. Fairly strong and no noticeable flavor . have one that is 3 months old .that I will try next when I find it. I'm guessing it was just a mediocre yard gar but not a dog rocket.
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Huzza3045 wrote:
My palate is pretty unsophisticated as well. It’s possible that my earlier recommendations were garbage. I just know “smooth smoke”, “spicy smoke”, “leather smoke”, and “mild smoke”.


For the most part mine is too; however, by midway-ish through a new (…to me…) cigar, here’s how I rate them these days:

- Love it! Will definitely buy. A box is not out of the question but a couple of 5ers fo’ sure. These will be in the regular rotation.

- Like it. Will look for a good deal and buy a 5er. Maybe more rest will elevate them?

- Not bad and might buy some but only iffin’ I come across a frankin’ great deal.

- Hmm, it’s smokeable and not terrible but won’t be looking to get any.

- Blah! Rather disappointing. What other cigar can I smoke that will save the night?


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#33 Posted:
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Mraia wrote:
I know there is much hate for Gurkhas. I think I know that there was some shady business at one point though Im not sure what thats all about.
But are these things as bad as people say? are they all irredeemable? Theres a LOT of them around here, and the few that I have had have for the most part been ok, or not objectionable. SOMEONE IS BUYING THESE THINGS! And enjoying them.
So Im just curious what about them illicits such disdain.

Please note Im not advocating for them. Im simply curious why they seem to be disliked so intently.

Thanks all. Confused


Jeez this isn’t rocket science.

Anytime a vast majority of a company’s product is deeply discounted that should be a signal that it’s so crappy they have to give it away to move it off the shelves.
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LeeBot wrote:
I bought a 5ver of the 125th Anniversary Gurkhas. Holy Ch*t were they terrible! I saw that it had made a top 25 list 10 years ago or so, and I thought "maybe they've kept the blend up. Success breeds success and all. Surely they wouldn't take a top 25 mention and squander it by letting the blend reduce to goose ch*t. That would be a terrible business model." But they did. I gave one to Tele as a gag with a 10er I sent him. He stopped posting here soon thereafter.

Maybe I'll send one to Jake next. He's a tough guy.

On the Chairman Select Huzza mentioned, I believe you. It could be a difference in taste or that you got a bad batch (ref: inconsistency). I got a ten pack a couple years ago now, and they were decent. If I had any faith that the next batch would taste the same, I might consider another 5. But I lack faith.


The Chairman Select is their flagship product. Got a bad batch? What reputable manufacturer let’s that in the supply chain of their best product?
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I've smoked the Chairman Select and thought it was not even a good yard gar.
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tonygraz wrote:
I've smoked the Chairman Select and thought it was not even a good yard gar.


Isn’t that the one Clinton used to smoke? I guess yours didn’t taste like cat?
tonygraz Offline
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Clinton smoked one of the infused cognac $ 1000 a tubo cigars. My cigar didn't taste like cat (tho that might have made it taste better).
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Geez……….this isn’t that hard to understand.
Gurkhas suck azz.
Hansotia is a tool.

Its quite simple really…
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Geez……….this isn’t that hard to understand.
Gurkhas suck azz.
Hansotia is a tool.

Its quite simple really…


The King has spoken! fog
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Yesterdays 76% off topped by todays 87% off…not sure why an “ultra-premium” needs to do discounts while many true premiums sell far over their MSRP. Anxious

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Tasty Gurkha handmades as little as $2/cigar. Hell. Yes.

This is it, the countdown is over! Our annual Gurkha Big Bundle Bonanza is back. More bloated than a beached whale, this year's lineup contains 25 of Gurkha's biggest, shiniest brands, up to 87% off (gasp!). Choose from favorites like Symphony, Centurian, 125th Anniversary, Crest, Sherpa and more, all on the table for as little as $2 per cigar. I even threw a few samplers in the mix. Over 25 generously-sized, delicious options in play. The Gurkha cigars you want, need, and crave are available for the next 7 days in heavily discounted 10-35 count bundles.
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their own sales jargon is a dead giveaway to the quality of the product; "More bloated than a beached whale" ....

if that phrase doesn't turn your stomach, then you are a bonafide Gurkha ho...
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When I first started, I tired and even enjoyed a few lines, the old class regent was pretty good, the little black dragons were good too. They did a micro batch series that had a lancero that was really good, I believe that was a series that was a CI special and was blended by AJ when he was first getting started in the industry. My memory recalls them smoking like the current Southern Draw Rose of Sharon Desert Rose lanceros I've picked up. The issue was always consistency, their lines would start well, but by the second or third production run they'd turn into yard gars at best. Tack on all the CI exclusives that were seemingly produced by Victor Sinclair and marketed as budget Davidoff's and you start to see the patterns emerge.
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One of my early Gurkha favorites was the Ancient warrior presidente. The flavor matched the CI description precicely including a brief flavor of sweet red wine. Soon thereafter they became less flavorful and eventually disappeared for sale. Similar occurances to other Gurkha offerings. Other than the Ghost, I can't think of anything they make still being good and that may also be suffering a similar fate, if it hasn't already. I'm reluctant to buy any of their new offerings, but if the price is right I still pick some up if they are cheap enough for yard gar use.
Mraia Offline
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Thanks for the input guys. I knew their reputation was spotty and I just wasn’t aware of the back-office issues.
I think I will continue to avoid them!
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