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Tupper rh issues still!
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Mraia Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Feb 24 2023, 7:30 PM EST
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Large sized sistema Tupperdor with two cedar shelves and 2 65% Bovedas . Cigar oasis digital hygrometer and about 30 cigars. Some with cello some not
I can not get the rh below 70%. Now I used to used 69% Bovedas and the rh was also 70%
What am I doing wrong? The hygrometer was tested in a plastic bag with the 69%boveda and calibrated.
This is driving me nuts!
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#2 Posted: Fri, Feb 24 2023, 7:33 PM EST
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Calibrate again.

What size boveda. Where you live? I ask because what’s the outdoor humidity ? Or inside your house
Mraia Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Feb 24 2023, 7:57 PM EST
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^the Boveda is 60 grams and I have 2 in there. I’m in Long Island NY and the temp is 33 degrees outside and 72 inside.
The tupp is kept in a cabinet. I’m not sure what the house humidity is but not anything out of the ordinary I’m sure

I’m going to calibrate again. Just stick the hygrometer in a baggie with the Boveda.

Weird
LeeBot Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Feb 24 2023, 9:39 PM EST
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How long have the 65% bovedas been in the box? The cedar and cigars may have absorbed a lot of moisture. May take a while.

In Long Island this time of year, you may want to put the bovies in a ziploc, maybe with the cigars (maybe not), and open the humidor for a day to let it dry out some.
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#5 Posted: Fri, Feb 24 2023, 10:38 PM EST
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My thought is to open the tupper up for 24 hours, let it lose a bunch of humidity, then seal it without the bovedas for 24 hours and see what the hygrometer reads. Then add the bovedas back in and let them bring the RH back UP to 65%.
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#6 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 5:38 AM EST
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I agree with Lee and Stogie but not sure I would leave it open for 24 hours, I'm thinking a few minutes at a time. I also live in the northeast and am guessing the relative humidity in your house during the winter is low like single digits to 30%ish without humidifier. Then even if you have a humidifier running your RH is still probably no more than 50%. Anyway less than your humidor. Sometimes when I add new stock the RH in my humidor will change especially if the cigars are just coming in from traveling out in the cold. Just leave the door to your humidor open for a little bit to change the air then close it and check it again next time you want a cigar. Boveda packs will will release humidity if it's in an environment less than the number on the pack and consume humidity if the environment is more than the number on the pack. That said if your Boveda packs are full of water then they may not absorb the higher humidity quite as well so add more Boveda packs with same RH% as the others or let the humidity out by opening the door to your humidor for a few minutes. This works because your RH outside the humidor is much less than in your humidor. The RH in your humidor may rise and fall a little but will eventually settle out. Remember the more stock you have in your humidor the longer it will take for the RH to change. Also remember there is no harm in adding more Boveda packs to help with process. Some people use many Boveda packs in there humidor as dividers.
Mraia Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 8:01 AM EST
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Great suggestions guys. Thanks very much! I’m going open the tupp for a bit and see what happens
Mraia Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 9:30 AM EST
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Update: I put the 65% Boveda in a ziploc about 2 hours ago and it’s reading 69%
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#9 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 9:42 AM EST
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You have too much air space/free space in your tupperdore.
Best if it is at least 75% filled, more is even better.
You need to buy more cigars…
Mraia Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 10:10 AM EST
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^🤣
Makes sense to me!
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#11 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 11:49 AM EST
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I'd roll with the letting fresh, dry air in periodically. My guess is some smokes received overhumidified and need to equalize for a while
Mraia Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 1:56 PM EST
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^ I was thinking the same thing. But the hygrometer in the ziploc with a 65% Boveda is reading 70% rh after a few hours so it’s probably the unit that is off
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#13 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 2:07 PM EST
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Those boveda are accurate
tonygraz Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 6:17 PM EST
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Those hygrometers are often off by more than they should be. Don't let it drive you crazy.
Mraia Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 6:32 PM EST
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^ I believe so…but for some reason I can’t hit an accurate rh. I have recalibrated, bought different hygrometers and for some reason it doesn’t seem to work for me. Tupper is solidly air tight too, I think.
I’m probably making too big a deal out of it but it gnaws at me lol
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#16 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 9:01 PM EST
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digital or analog hygrometers?
KingoftheCove Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 9:44 PM EST
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If your tupperware volume is only at say, 20% full?
You will have chronic problems. Every time you open it, your RH will go whack.
Do the dollar bill trick……maybe your containers arent that great?
Mraia Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Feb 25 2023, 9:57 PM EST
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Digital hygrometer. Dollar bill trick is pulling one through the sealed tupper right?
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#19 Posted: Sun, Feb 26 2023, 12:38 AM EST
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Thought that was to check wooden humis? Never thought to check the tuppers
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#20 Posted: Sun, Feb 26 2023, 1:46 AM EST
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I don’t check plastic either.
Palama Online
#21 Posted: Sun, Feb 26 2023, 2:18 AM EST
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M,

R-E-L-A-X

When I first got into premium cigars, I fretted ALL THE TIME about getting the RH correct. Three or 4 digital hygrometers, for my, at the time, 1 and only coolerdor. Constantly checking, constantly calibrating, constantly losing my mind when the RH was too high. Thought mebbe my 65% Heartfelt beads were defective. Paranoia struck deep.

Then one day as we were discussing this very topic, a wise brother (…mighta been Cacman…) asked me how my cigars were smoking and I said “Perfectly fine.” So then he said to ditch the hygrometers and trust the beads. I did as he suggested and 5 more coolerdors later, that’s exactly how I’ve operated. These days I use both beads and Bovedas without a hygrometer in sight and my cigars smoke perfectly fine.

Trust the process.
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#22 Posted: Sun, Feb 26 2023, 8:46 AM EST
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Same. I remember questioning whether the whole hobby was worth it if storage was going to be so much work
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#23 Posted: Sun, Feb 26 2023, 10:10 AM EST
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Thought that was to check wooden humis? Never thought to check the tuppers

Doesnt matter what type of container you use, if your seal suqs, issues will be chronic………..UNLESS……….the RH in the room, closet, basement, or wherever the “humi” is, is perfect.
I have lived in places where 7-8 months out of the year, I could have probably kept my cigars in a dresser drawer, and they would have been fine.
Mraia Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Feb 26 2023, 10:16 AM EST
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Palama thanks for this. It helps! I’m just anal retentive enough to be overly concerned with this crap and like you said, the cigars are smoking just fine (I think)

So many guys here have said to ditch the hygrometer and just trust the Bovedas but my issue is that right now the hygrometer is at 55% with 2 65% bovies in there.

IM BEING RIDICULOUS! I know!
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#25 Posted: Sun, Feb 26 2023, 2:11 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
digital or analog hygrometers?


Both, tho lately I'm thinking that the analogs are often more accurate. I've seen 10 % or more variations in some of my digitals and mark them as to the variant up or down. I never have had to change the batteries in an analog.Sarcasm
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#26 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 9:07 AM EST
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If the tray are new/unused they could be part of the discrepency.
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#27 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 9:58 AM EST
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I eventually started not even using hygrometers and trusting the boveda packs instead with no issues. I'd worry more about how they smoke and go from there than the hygrometer reading. My guess is hygrometer is not accurate or the cigars have a decent amount of humidity and the boveda pack needs time to do its its thing.
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#28 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 11:10 AM EST
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Man you guys are all trying to talk this guy off the RH cliff..

I, OTOH, am an enabler.

Mraia, please get one of these to settle your mind:

https://www.amazon.com/HumidiMeterTM-Cigar-Humidity-Tester-Accessory/dp/B082GJRKV6

It's really the only way to know the RH of each cigar. All the cool kids have one. You know you really want it. It's not that expensive. You deserve it. It will give you peace of mind. It's a good investment. Think of the children.
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#29 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 11:26 AM EST
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ooooooh, only 5 left in stock too. Better think fast.
Mraia Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 11:41 AM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Man you guys are all trying to talk this guy off the RH cliff..

I, OTOH, am an enabler.

Mraia, please get one of these to settle your mind:

https://www.amazon.com/HumidiMeterTM-Cigar-Humidity-Tester-Accessory/dp/B082GJRKV6

It's really the only way to know the RH of each cigar. All the cool kids have one. You know you really want it. It's not that expensive. You deserve it. It will give you peace of mind. It's a good investment. Think of the children.



IM BUYING THIS RIGHT NOW!!!! THANKS STOGIE! LOL!
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#31 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 12:12 PM EST
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My work is done here.
Palama Online
#32 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 1:29 PM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Man you guys are all trying to talk this guy off the RH cliff..

I, OTOH, am an enabler., please get one of these to settle your mind:

https://www.amazon.com/HumidiMeterTM-Cigar-Humidity-Tester-Accessory/dp/B082GJRKV6

It's really the only way to know the RH of each cigar. All the cool kids have one. You know you really want it. It's not that expensive. You deserve it. It will give you peace of mind. It's a good investment. Think of the children.



Mraia wrote:
IM BUYING THIS RIGHT NOW!!!! THANKS STOGIE! LOL!


I imagine that in a few months after the excitement of the new toy subsides, you’ll be looking at it and think to yourself, “Damn, Why TF did I buy this? I coulda used that $30 to overbid on some $20 cigars! Even after checking the RH on every one of my cigars, I’m still paranoid and do weekly checks on them. Every. Franking. Week. Every. Franking. Cigar. And I still fret over the RH in my storage containers! My obsession got WORSE, not better! Stogie you franker, I’ll NEVER listen to you again! Ever!” ram27bat















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Stogie1020 Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 1:39 PM EST
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hahaha, I have been called a lot worse..

At that point, we will "suggest" he pre-cut every cigar upon arrival and test BOTH ends, not just the foot. Then calculate the foot/head average and log the RH by wrapper, counrty of origin, location in the humidor, etc...

That should keep him busy for a while longer.

I mean, he seems pretty detail oriented.
Tiver Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 6:18 PM EST
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If Mraia gets one of those huniduty testers I think two would be better. Trusting just one is just not the way to go. Trust but verify. Maybe three would be safest.
Palama Online
#35 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 6:45 PM EST
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Tiver wrote:
If Mraia gets one of those huniduty testers I think two would be better. Trusting just one is just not the way to go. Trust but verify. Maybe three would be safest.


I’mma thinking 7 would be even better, you know, one for every day of the week. Or, of course, could use all 7 of them to test every cigar. Like you said, trust but verify.
Mraia Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Feb 27 2023, 7:28 PM EST
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Ok ok ok…lol not really buying one. And rh is creeping up. It’s at 62% so I’m feeling better.

You guys are fricking funny!
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