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Trump or DeSantis?
MACS Offline
#51 Posted:
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The Country wants Trump back in there. DeSantis needs to stay in Florida, and try again after Trump goes away.

He's not going to beat him.
Brewha Offline
#52 Posted:
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Unless Trump winds up in jail……….Think
HockeyDad Offline
#53 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Unless Trump winds up in jail……….Think


Or assassinated.
rfenst Offline
#54 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
The Country wants Trump back in there. DeSantis needs to stay in Florida, and try again after Trump goes away.

He's not going to beat him.

IMNSHO, Desantis' best political play would be either Senators Rick Scott's or Marco Rubio's seats- so he can park himself in the national spotlight while he remakes himself to try to run again.
drglnc Offline
#55 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
The Country wants Trump back in there.




Do they though?



MACS Offline
#56 Posted:
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drglnc wrote:
Do they though?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDpb4S3ViZQ

Polling at 60%. He's a damn sight better than the criminal dicktaster POS in there.
Brewha Offline
#57 Posted:
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AND that criminal dicktaster POS just got indicted 4 more times on Federal charges!!
Brewha Offline
#58 Posted:
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Oh, sorry - wrong president.
drglnc Offline
#59 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDpb4S3ViZQ

Polling at 60%. He's a damn sight better than the criminal dicktaster POS in there.


An average of opinion polls from 31 July shows he has a lead of 37 points over DeSantis.

So he is polling at 53% of Republican's - Far cry from "The Country" wanting him back...



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66274979









Brewha Offline
#60 Posted:
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drglnc wrote:
An average of opinion polls from 31 July shows he has a lead of 37 points over DeSantis.

So he is polling at 53% of Republican's - Far cry from "The Country" wanting him back...



For macs "the country" is only conservative republicans - the rest of the people are those who live here and "hate" America.
RayR Offline
#61 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
For macs "the country" is only conservative republicans - the rest of the people are those who live here and "hate" America.


I think you are spreading DISINFORMATION about MACS.

Evidence suggests that a large number of Republicans are messed up and cannot be confused with being "conservative".
I doubt they even know what the word means outside of foolishly believing whatever the Republicans do policy wise makes it "conservative" policy.

As far as the "rest of the people", like those that support the Jacobin LEFT, they must have a deep-seated hate for themselves that reflects in their desire to do maximum harm to the entire republic.









HockeyDad Offline
#62 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
For macs "the country" is only conservative republicans - the rest of the people are those who live here and "hate" America.


Why do you hate the USA so much?
HockeyDad Offline
#63 Posted:
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RayR wrote:

As far as the "rest of the people", like those that support the Jacobin LEFT, they must have a deep-seated hate for themselves that reflects in their desire to do maximum harm to the entire republic.



One person’s definition of “maximum harm” is another person’s definition of “completely reshaping”.
RayR Offline
#64 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
One person’s definition of “maximum harm” is another person’s definition of “completely reshaping”.


Yep, that's the same reasoning of a sadomasochist. The Jacobin LEFTY goal is to inflict pain and humiliation on others as they also do to themselves.
MACS Offline
#65 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
AND that criminal dicktaster POS just got indicted 4 more times on Federal charges!!


AND that holder of water for the criminal dicktaster does NOT see how prosecuting your chief political opponent for, ahem... Trump'ed up charges is not good.

Can you not pull your cranium out of your rectum for a brief moment and see this is all so he does not get to participate? They all hate him and want him out because he's not a grifter like the rest of them. BOTH R and D.

Civil war is coming folks.
RayR Offline
#66 Posted:
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I've heard LIZARD PEEP JACK SMITH indicted Trump for THOUGHT CRIMES against BIG BROTHER. Shhh

That makes Brewha happy.
Brewha Offline
#67 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
AND that holder of water for the criminal dicktaster does NOT see how prosecuting your chief political opponent for, ahem... Trump'ed up charges is not good.

Can you not pull your cranium out of your rectum for a brief moment and see this is all so he does not get to participate? They all hate him and want him out because he's not a grifter like the rest of them. BOTH R and D.

Civil war is coming folks.


Applause


Just curious macs, why so much faith in Trump? Why believe him in particular?
MACS Offline
#68 Posted:
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From the absolute start they wanted him out. His policies were good for the country and both sides, with a handful of exceptions, want him out so bad they were willing to purchase a fake dossier (Hillary), lie incessantly about proof of collusion (Schiff), and sabotage his admin (Pompeo).

They're all getting rich as f***, and they're working together despite the charade they play. Trump didn't play charades. If they want him out, I want him in.

Something has to be done. Who else is going to do it? We're so f'n far beyong what the framers intended it's sickening. The Dems will take us the way of Rome very shortly.
Brewha Offline
#69 Posted:
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So you feel he is the best hope to have the country stay as the Framers intended.

Well I feel I understand your opinion better.
MACS Offline
#70 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
So you feel he is the best hope to have the country stay as the Framers intended.

Well I feel I understand your opinion better.


Not exactly what I said. DC is a toilet that needs to be flushed. None of the turds that have been floating around that bowl are willing to pull the handle. They collude to get rich while acting adversarial and screwing all of us... while keeping us arguing about trivial BS.

The media, who should be keeping the politicians honest, are their dadgum mouth piece. They're in on it.

They hate him so bad because he doesn't play their games.
RayR Offline
#71 Posted:
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I just read an article about that MACS...

It's How Ya Herd Cows!

By Capt. Randall
August 2, 2023

Quote:
Nature is chock-full of parallels. One most striking example is how cowboys move cows and just how governments control the human herd.

The idea here is not to spook the herd, which would only result in a dangerous unmanageable stampede, utter chaos and unpredictable outcomes; full blown fight/flight!

The key is patiently applying mild anxiety. A cowboy only needs to approach a cow within about 20ft. It begins to leave as the cowboy’s side to side movement steers that cow in the exact direction desired. Slow, patient advances will put that cow in the corral. In time, the cows know the drill and comply under the gentlest of pressure.

The human parallel is found in “State Media Cowboys,” slowly patiently consciously deviously applying mild anxiety. Could there be food, energy or water shortages? How ’bout wars on the horizon, climate emergencies or disease epidemics? Or threats of economic collapse, rising criminal activity, mass shootings or other intrusions on one’s personal situation? We must be ready and willing to die for the endless war agenda and line up for vaxxxinations.

The “news” is designed to scare you a lil-bit, make you angry a lil-bit and finish on an up-note with an act of kindness or dog story…they don’t want you rattled, just a lil-bit uneasy and primed for the next injection of narrative. We get trained to hate or feel sympathetic through the tone and focus of the storyteller, jerking us around by our fearful egos and then soliciting tender emotions. Recognizing the psychic costs of news watching, smart doctors recommend “news fasting” to reduce anxiety and improve mind-body coherence and healing.

Incessant incremental media grooming is exactly how elite cowboys fence the public herd! Before ubiquitous mass communications, word of mouth served empires throughout history. Workers were kept working, soldiers were kept fighting and rulers extracted all the honey from their human hives. Now they operate on personal details gleaned from a total cyber-invasion of privacy…they know what makes us tick and which strings to pull…they know what you had for breakfast!

More...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/08/capt-randall/its-how-ya-herd-cows/


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#72 Posted:
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Read the indictments, they are not trivial. Do not read someone's opinion piece or watch YouTube opinion pieces either. Read the actual document. You are calling conspiracy to defraud the United States trivial. In this I am in complete disagreement with you. I do not want to belittle the point that Trump is innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. We will wait until after the election to determine who the country wants. Finally, voting demographics are changing quickly. Older people are dying, and younger people are becoming voters. This will impact the election.
RayR Offline
#73 Posted:
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Spey, you would believe everything that CREEPY LIZARD PEEP JACK SMITH says, wouldn't ya?
After all they are words on paper, and everything the Dept. of Injustice writes down must be true because this is Amerika! Right?
rfenst Offline
#74 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
Spey, you would believe everything that CREEPY LIZARD PEEP JACK SMITH says, wouldn't ya?
After all they are words on paper, and everything the Dept. of Injustice writes down must be true because this is Amerika! Right?

Obviously, you saw little to nothing of the House's 1/6 hearing's public presentations. I think there were like nine different ones. That's a lot of information to have missed in this matter.
RayR Offline
#75 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Obviously, you saw little to nothing of the House's 1/6 hearing's public presentations. I think there were like nine different ones. That's a lot of information to have missed in this matter.


Ya..Ya..Ya.., I've heard it all before, Trump engaged in free speech and thought crimes, and orchestrated a coup to overthrow sacred duhmacracy by remote controlling a mob of peaceful protesters from his lair and it was the worse insurrection against the United State since Pearl Harbor. Blah Blah Blah...

I don't believe anything government lefty lizard people tell me. All I see in a smoke screen to try to block out the sunshine over the Biden Crime Family's serious transgressions and a Banana Republic attempt to cripple a political opponent.


rfenst Offline
#76 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
Ya..Ya..Ya.., I've heard it all before, Trump engaged in free speech and thought crimes, and orchestrated a coup to overthrow sacred duhmacracy by remote controlling a mob of peaceful protesters from his lair and it was the worse insurrection against the United State since Pearl Harbor. Blah Blah Blah...

I don't believe anything government lefty lizard people tell me. All I see in a smoke screen to try to block out the sunshine over the Biden Crime Family's serious transgressions and a Banana Republic attempt to cripple a political opponent.

So, you do not know the big, real picture of your opponents' evidence/argument.

And, all those different pictures/videos by miscellaneous attendees don't lie.

Much of what Trump is alleged of regarding post-election acts are not protected by the First Amendment or any privilege if it can be proven he knew he was lying. Much of it is called alleged fraud.

Have you even read the charging documents? This a "yes or no question" about the court documents filed. Can you do it?????? Applause

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#77 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
So, you do not know the big, real picture of your opponents' evidence/argument.

And, all those different pictures/videos by miscellaneous attendees don't lie.

Much of what Trump is alleged of regarding post-election acts are not protected by the First Amendment or any privilege if it can be proven he knew he was lying. Much of it is called alleged fraud.

Have you even read the charging documents? This a "yes or no question" about the court documents filed. Can you do it?????? Applause




Wait...hold on...you STILL believe that B$ about "INSURRECTION" and the Hollywood produced for TV shows when you've had the facts reveal themselves after their doubts with Reality?
RayR Offline
#78 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
So, you do not know the big, real picture of your opponents' evidence/argument.

And, all those different pictures/videos by miscellaneous attendees don't lie.

Much of what Trump is alleged of regarding post-election acts are not protected by the First Amendment or any privilege if it can be proven he knew he was lying. Much of it is called alleged fraud.

Have you even read the charging documents? This a "yes or no question" about the court documents filed. Can you do it?????? Applause



Maybe you should explain it to me Robert, I have a hard time with the way you legal weasels spin words to fool the peons.
I've heard that even lying if it can be proven is protected free speech, but you seem to have a different take.

Let's look at how NPR explained the latest charges, you know because they are lefty...

Quote:
Conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump's repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment.

You see, whatever claims that Trump made using free speech are immediately claimed to be false. No explanation necessary, any claims that the election was rigged in any way, that there were irregularities in duhmacracy are a Conspiracy to defraud the United States? That's pretty funny, those words, "Conspiracy to defraud the United States" stuff.

Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning of Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021.

Sure Sure..there you go with that conspiracy theory that Trump and his evil henchmen were plotting to disrupt duhmacracy.

Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' actual efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.

More or the same, don't question the results when sacred duhmacracy has spoken they say...unless you are a lefty, then anything goes.

Conspiracy against rights is a Civil War-era law that applies to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged attempts to "oppress, threaten and intimidate" people in their right to vote in an election.

That was a LEFTY LINCOLN thing to "oppress, threaten and intimidate" sometimes at the point of a bayonet or by loyal Republican goons trashing private property and, in many cases, arresting critics of the regime. After his unpopular 1st term, they even had to resort to intimidating soldiers to VOTE for LINCOLN.

I didn't see Trump or his "co-conspirators" doing that unless they were thinking it, but maybe you did?


Here I am, I'm not even a Trump supporter and I have to defend him from the Jacobins.
rfenst Offline
#79 Posted:
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After DeSantis no-show, Scott stands next to Biden in Florida

The governor and ’24 GOP candidate steered clear as the president toured Hurricane Idalia damage — but the Republican senator was undeterred.

POLITICO

LIVE OAK, Fla. — Joe Biden’s trip to Florida on Saturday to survey the damage caused by Hurricane Idalia presented an opportunity for a Democratic president and a prominent GOP presidential candidate to project unity amid a crisis.

It didn’t happen. Instead, it was another Florida Republican who stood by Biden’s side — and heaped some unexpected praise on him, too.

Up until Friday afternoon, it was widely expected 2024 political rivals Biden and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis would appear together as they have before during times of crisis, including after the deadly Surfside condo collapse in 2021 and last year when Hurricane Ian demolished seaside communities along Florida’s gulf coast. But Friday evening, DeSantis’ office surprised the White House when it announced the Republican had no plans to meet with the president, citing “security preparations” that would disrupt recovery efforts.

“I’m not disappointed,” Biden said Saturday afternoon, referring to DeSantis’ absence. “He may have had other reasons.”

While the governor was a no-show Saturday, Florida GOP Sen. Rick Scott, who has long sniped with DeSantis, met with Biden when he arrived in Live Oak, where he repeatedly complimented the administration’s efforts.

“Thank you for being here,” Scott said, shaking Biden’s hand while donning an embroidered “45” hat, a reference to Scott being Florida’s 45th governor.

He also praised Biden and his FEMA leadership, saying the president “did a great job” preparing resources ahead of the hurricane and getting relief out fast.

“I want to thank the Senator, and I mean it sincerely,” Biden replied, adding that he’d told Scott the federal help would remain “as long as it takes.”

Biden and the first lady visited the storm-ravaged region Saturday, where they received an aerial tour of communities struck by the storm and participated in a briefing with federal personnel, local officials and first responders. Biden then toured the Live Oak community and met with residents who were impacted by Hurricane Idalia, a devastating storm that struck Florida earlier this week and left more than 6,000 homes damaged and at least one person dead.

DeSantis didn’t hold a public presser Saturday, though in the days leading up to the hurricane and in its aftermath, the governor held public briefings, sometimes multiple a day, to provide updates on the storm and recovery efforts. His office said around noon the governor was leaving Keaton Beach, near where the storm made landfall as a Category 3 hurricane, and later stated that DeSantis also helped distribute meals in Horseshoe Beach, a small community in Dixie County on the Gulf Coast.

The governor’s office Saturday did not provide further details on why he skipped the meeting with Biden.

Ron DeSantis shakes hands with a man as others gather around them.
In the days leading up to the hurricane and in its aftermath, Gov. Ron DeSantis held public briefings, sometimes multiple a day, to provide updates on the storm and recovery efforts. | Sean Rayford/Getty Images

White House press secretary Karine Jean Pierre told reporters on Air Force One that Biden had informed DeSantis of his trip during a phone call Thursday and that the governor did not give any indication that he wouldn’t meet with the president.

“We’re going to let the governor speak for himself. Of course he is welcomed. Of course he is welcomed to be with the president today,” Jean Pierre said. “Our focus, and we’ve said this — you’ve heard the president say this — this is not about politics. It doesn’t matter if it’s a red state or a blue state, the president’s going to show up and be there for the community.”

White House officials on Saturday reiterated that the trip was planned in close coordination with FEMA and state and local leaders to avoid impact on ongoing response operations. The president was accompanied by Deanne Criswell, administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

The location of Biden’s visit was mutually agreed upon by both the White House and the governor’s office, Criswell said, adding that DeSantis did not tell the FEMA administrator that he wouldn’t be meeting with Biden before his office went public with a statement. She said that she understands ongoing concerns about some of the rural coastal areas she visited with DeSantis on Thursday that still have limited access but that both sides agreed the president could visit Live Oak due to “limited impact.”

“They’re well on their way to the road to recovery,” Criswell said.

In Suwannee County, remnants of the hurricane were visible all along Biden’s motorcade route, with massive downed trees lining the road and residents out in their front yards cleaning up debris.

Outside a local school, the roof of a covered walkway leading toward the building showed clear signs of damage, with parts of the covering torn up or missing entirely. “SCHOOL CLOSED” read the sign outside Suwannee Pineview Elementary, which is now serving as an emergency shelter, and where Biden met with local officials and first responders, “until further notice.” Inside, displaced residents lined the hallways, resting in chair and rollaway cots.

Flanked by local officials and Criswell later Saturday, Biden again thanked Scott, who has been pushing for disaster relief legislation, for his “cooperation” and called on Congress to ensure FEMA has adequate funding to “deal with “the immediate crises, as well as our long-term commitments to the safety and security of the American people.”

“And he shares the view I do about FEMA; they’re doing an incredible job. But the work in a sense is just beginning, we got a lot of work to do. All the officials from Florida, I want to thank them,” Biden said.

He also said he’d been in “frequent touch” with DeSantis since the storm hit, and that he moved quickly after the governor asked for a major disaster declaration.

Saturday would have been Biden and DeSantis’ first event together since the Florida governor announced he was running for president.

The two leaders have repeatedly clashed on a number of issues, with DeSantis railing against Biden’s policies on immigration, the pandemic, LGBTQ issues and the economy. While Biden doesn’t shy away from criticizing DeSantis, in recent months Vice President Kamala Harris has also taken a more public role in attacking the governor, skewering DeSantis over Florida’s 6-week abortion ban and blasting him after he defended the state’s new Black history standards.

For DeSantis, who built a reputation clashing with opponents, striking a bipartisan chord Saturday could have allowed him to again show the nation that he can get things done during a natural disaster — even with political adversaries.


How could anyone beleive this snub was in Florida's best interest?
rfenst Offline
#80 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
Maybe you should explain it to me Robert, I have a hard time with the way you legal weasels spin words to fool the peons...


So, you can't read and know nothing significant about the First Amendment?
ZRX1200 Offline
#81 Posted:
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How is a photo op going to benefit Florida? Is the governor’s time better spent on optics or work?

Your governor not mine though.
Brewha Offline
#82 Posted:
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DeSantis ditched Biden to play to his base.

Just look at the MAGA Right. They don’t care about all the real issues in Florida. They want a leader that is intolerant and authoritarian.
And they love:
Pick a fight with Disney.
Curtail women’s rights.
Sell that slavery benefited the blacks - and change historical accounts to a nice comfortable white narrative.
Oh and the “war on woke”.

The guy is a homophobic racist and the MAGA Right love him for it.

Work with the president to aid the citizens after a disaster? Why?
Biden is not MAGA, so he is the enemy in the war on woke - just like the rest of us.
RayR Offline
#83 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
So, you can't read and know nothing significant about the First Amendment?


I'm a simple man, I only understand words as they are written to mean.

Quote:
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



Or as Cornell Law School says:

Quote:
The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices. It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely. It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government.


I stand by what I said in #78 about what the NPR conspiracy theories of what the charges are about, which is a conspiracy theory that Trump was directly conspiring to overthrow da government from his secret lair by ordering his lieutenants and enforcers to put hits on the enemy gang, and that petitioning the Government for a redress of grievances about election shenanigans is akin to a conspiracy to defraud the United States of duhmacracy.

Shades of the Sedition Acts of 1798 where it was verboten to make “false, scandalous and malicious writing” against Congress or the president, and which made it illegal “to oppose any measure or measures of the government.” I think the DNC would be on board with bringing those laws back as long as they don't apply to Democrats and are strictly weaponized for use against Right-Wingers.

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#84 Posted:
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I’m afraid Biden won’t send everyone in Florida a check for $700 since DeSantis didn’t hang out with him in Live Oak Florida.
ZRX1200 Offline
#85 Posted:
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Maybe he’ll break out the directed energy weapon.
rfenst Offline
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Biden could have entirely prevented the hurricaine from striking Florida. All he had to do is get on TV with a diagram of its projected path and simply changed the diagramed path with a Sharpie.
Brewha Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Biden could have entirely prevented the hurricaine from striking Florida. All he had to do is get on TV with a diagram of its projected path and simply changed the diagramed path with a Sharpie.


More evidence that the DNC hates America!
HockeyDad Offline
#88 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
More evidence that the DNC hates America!


The DNC has not lifted a finger to ban hurricanes.
ZRX1200 Offline
#89 Posted:
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They haven’t figured out if they vote or not, so they don’t know if they’re registered racists or not.
Brewha Offline
#90 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
The DNC has not lifted a finger to ban hurricanes.

I heard they took away DeSantis’s sharpie…..



While Drafter was looking at his boobs.
corey sellers Offline
#91 Posted:
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Say it ain’t SO
DrMaddVibe Offline
#92 Posted:
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It's not Trump and it's not DeSantis...


Rolling Stone claims Neo Nazis rallying in Florida are Ron DeSantis supporters, but video PROVES that’s absolutely not true


In an article published today, Rolling Stone wrote about the Neo Nazis that were rallying in Orlando, Florida yesterday and claimed they were Ron DeSantis supporters.

“We’re all DeSantis supporters!" one marcher shouted. https://t.co/aYFxOyOZT9

— Rolling Stone (@RollingStone) September 3, 2023

Here’s what they wrote:

Some of the marchers individually expressed their distaste for Donald Trump, saying they prefer Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. When right-wing figure Laura Loomer appeared at the march, recording the Neo-Nazis with her cell phone, the crowd began to chant “****, ****” in her direction. Loomer explained she was at the rally because she was getting her hair done nearby.

“We’re not voting Trump, Laura!” one marcher shouted at her. “We’re not voting for the right wing! It’s the kike wing.”

At this, another marcher shouted, “We’re all DeSantis supporters!”

But here’s what Rolling Stone didn’t tell their readers. Right after the guy shouted “We’re all DeSantis supporters!”, he said “F*** Ron DeSantis!”

See for yourself:

2) As the Nazis rallied in Orlando, pro-Trump personality @LauraLoomer showed up and was immediately yelled at by the group, who called her "Laura Jewmer" and "tranny Jew."

"We're not voting Trump, Laura!" they said before sarcastically joking that they prefer DeSantis. pic.twitter.com/kGpVKSfgCA

— Ford Fischer (@FordFischer) September 3, 2023

You can skip ahead to 26 seconds and you’ll see the Nazis berate Laura Loomer with insults about her and Trump. Then one of them sarcastically says they are DeSantis supporters. It’s right after that when he says “F*** Ron DeSantis!” and “Ron DeSantis is a joke!”. It’s plain as day, but Rolling Stone chose to omit it because they are utter and complete garbage.

https://therightscoop.com/rolling-stone-claims-neo-nazis-rallying-in-florida-are-ron-desantis-supporters-but-video-proves-thats-absolutely-not-true/


The DNC is a terrorist organization.
RayR Offline
#93 Posted:
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I keep telling the Left O' Centers around here that NAZIS have never been Right-Wingers, they've always been a radical offshoot of socialism.
rfenst Offline
#94 Posted:
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WTF do Nazi's have anything to do with any of this?
Brewha Offline
#95 Posted:
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Consider whom you are conversing with…..
ZRX1200 Offline
#96 Posted:
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Did we quit when the Nazis bombed Pear Harbor?
RayR Offline
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rfenst wrote:
WTF do Nazi's have anything to do with any of this?


The tattooed NAZI ‘Blood Tribe’ group is in your neighborhood, Robert

Get a load of ” Boneface”. Handsome devil isn't he. LOL

Find the Fed: Here’s Hoping Someone Can Identify the Tattooed “Nazis” at Gathering in Florida …UPDATE: One Nazi Identified – Says He Was Backed by CIA


by Jim Hoft Sep. 3, 2023 7:45 amThe “Nazis” were marching in Florida on Saturday.

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They had a large following for their rally with every member in new red shirts and face masks.

Most of the protesters hid their faces. But a couple of tattooed Nazis left their masks in the car.

Who’s this guy?
He appears to be one of the only “Nazis” who will show his face.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/whos-fed-heres-hoping-someone-can-identify-chris/
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Florida firms fuel DeSantis campaign


South Florida Sun Sentinel

As Ron DeSantis’ presidential campaign dealt with widely publicized financial strains and some prominent mega donors signaled they were closing their checkbooks, the Florida governor turned to people with an incentive to stay on his good side: businesspeople, lawyers, lobbyists and others whose employers or clients have financial interests before state government.

Many obliged.

Campaign finance reports filed this month show dozens of contributions from executives with Florida Power & Light Co. and its Juno Beach-based parent company; leaders of gambling operations owned by the Seminole Tribe of Florida; and officials with the GEO Group, a private prison company based in Boca Raton.The latest contributions from people who own or work at businesses whose fortunes rise and fall based on state actions were first reported by Seeking Rents, an investigative newsletter that focuses on the way business influences public policy in Florida.

The issue: DeSantis “wields enormous leverage over people and businesses in Florida who want favors from his administration,” Seeking Rents said.

Spokespersons for the DeSantis campaign did not respond to questions about money raised from the businesses with interests before state government from the fundraising, including whether people would be justified in thinking the contributions were made to curry favor with the governor.

Florida Power & Light Co.
FPL and its parent company, NextEra Energy Inc., stood out. NextEra Energy is the best known of the Florida business contributors, and parent company of FPL, the country’s largest electric utility. FPL’s rates and profits are set by the state.
Campaign finance reports show 41 NextEra Energy employees contributed to DeSantis presidential campaign in August and September, including John Ketchum, chairman, president and CEO of NextEra Energy and chairman of the FPL unit.

Another nine contributions came from people who listed FPL as their employer.The most common contribution was $1,500, the campaign filing shows.

Senior executives — Ketchum, Armando Pimentel, president and CEO of FPL; Rebecca J. Kujawa, president and CEO of NextEra Energy Resources; and Terrell Kirk Crews, executive vice president of finance and chief financial officer of NextEra Energy — each gave $3,300.

All together, Seeking Rents found nearly 60 NextEra and FPL executives gave more than $100,000 over the summer.
NextEra Energy’s media relations department didn’t respond to questions about the contributions.

The maximum amount individuals can give to a federal primary campaign is $3,300, after which they are “maxed out” and can’t give more. People can give another $3,300 for a theoretical general election campaign, but that money can’t be used for the primary.

Super political action committees, like the Never Back Down Super PAC supporting DeSantis, can raise unlimited sums — if they can find the right donors.

Seminole Tribe
Campaign finance reports show 36 contributions from people associated with Seminole Gaming, Seminole Hard Rock and Hard Rock International during August and September, including several who gave the maximum $3,300 for the primary.

Most prominent is James Allen, who maxed out for the primary and a potential general election campaign shortly before the end of the quarterly reporting period on Sept. 30. Allen is chairman of Hard Rock International and CEO of Seminole Gaming.

Executives of the companies gave at least $87,000 during the quarter, Seeking Rents reported.

In 2021, DeSantis signed an agreement with Seminole Tribe of Florida allowing it to offer online sports betting in the state.
Legal challenges from other gambling interests have blocked its implementation. On Wednesday, the U.S. Supreme Court decided not to stop implementation, but another challenge is before the state Supreme Court.

A spokesperson for the Seminole Tribe did not respond to emailed questions.

‘Everybody is afraid of DeSantis’
Democrats lambasted the Republican governor’s turning to people with economic interests before state government to help finance his presidential campaign.

“It’s the way they do business, and I think it’s horrible. I think it’s absolutely horrible,” said state Sen. Jason Pizzo, who represents parts of Broward and Miami-Dade counties and is slated to become the Senate Democratic leader after the 2024 elections.

“Who else would he be going to? Those are the people that he can do something for, legislatively or appropriation wise, and so he goes to them,” said Broward County Commissioner Nan Rich, a former Senate Democratic leader. “He’s going to people that need things.”

Alfredo Olvera, Broward’s state Democratic committeeman, said the donors contribute because they fear DeSantis’ wrath.
“Everybody is afraid of DeSantis, and it’s a last attempt to make sure that when he loses his campaign, he’s not going to come back to them and attack them because he never got the support from these companies,” Olvera said. “It shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody that any big companies are giving money because the reality is that he is running a government that scares companies, private companies and public companies, so they want to be on his good side.”

State Rep. Chip LaMarca of Lighthouse Point, a former chair of the Broward Republican Party who has endorsed DeSantis for his party’s presidential nomination, said there isn’t anything surprising, unusual or untoward about people making campaign contributions — whether the candidate is running for a city commission seat or a presidential nomination.

“Those are good Florida companies and organizations like the Tribe that have helped him along the way. And I think it’s a mutually beneficial relationship,” LaMarca said. “The state of Florida is very supportive of our (business community).

Whether it’s a publicly owned utility or an Indian tribe, they have businesses here, and they do a lot of good work.”
Go where the money is

More than 38% of the $31.2 million DeSantis raised for his official campaign from the time he got in the race in May through Sept. 30 was from Florida donors, federal finance reports show.

Gregory Koger, a political scientist at the University of Miami, said it reflects a system in which candidates need to raise private donations to run for office.

“Politicians are reliant on private donations. Anybody who’s in office is in a position to do favors for people who might make donations or have made donations,” Koger said. “And it creates the appearance of a conflict of interest, whether it’s fair or not.”

Given that the system requires candidates to raise money to fuel their campaigns, there aren’t that many places for them to raise money.

“If you don’t like the tight connection between Florida governmental action and people making donations to Governor DeSantis, then we should change the system,” Koger said.

“The alternatives are to have somebody who’s incredibly rich — and that has its downsides — and doesn’t need private donations,” Koger said.

Other candidates, such as former President Donald Trump and former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, have found enormous success raising money from small-dollar donors.

“But it requires a different style of politics, a different rhetorical style, issue priorities, and it doesn’t seem to be where Governor DeSantis is right now. It doesn’t seem like he can flip a switch and start receiving small donations instead. It’s not something you can do quite easily,” Koger said.

Developing a base of small-dollar donors is useful for another reason: They can keep giving over and over again before hitting the maximum. The donors who are maxed out, like some of the business executives who donated to DeSantis in the third quarter, can’t give again.

Politico reported that much of the primary cash has been used up, and most of what’s in the campaign coffers can’t be used in the primary because it’s for the general election only, and most of his money — far more than for other Republican candidates — is from maxed-out primary donors who can’t give more.

“That’s a real concern for the campaign. They can’t give anymore, and the money they have received has mostly been burned. They are facing a potential shortage of cash as the voting actually begins in the primaries,” Koger said.
The DeSantis campaign communications director, Andrew Romeo, said there’s no reason for concern.

“We are the only campaign in this race to have already reserved television [ad time] … during the closing stretch, we are fighting Donald Trump for delegates in Nevada while others have backed down, and our fundraising continues to accelerate in the 4th quarter. Unlike others, we’re playing to beat Donald Trump and have the resources and organization to do it,” Romeo said via email.

GEO Group
Nine people associated with the GEO Group, the big private prison operator based in Boca Raton, contributed to the DeSantis presidential campaign in the first half of August, the finance report shows.

George C. Zoley, executive chairman; Jose Gordo, CEO; Wayne H. Calabrese, chief operating officer; and Brian R. Evans, chief financial officer, all maxed out for the primary, at $3,300 each.

Four other people with GEO, including former Florida Senate President Joe Negron, the company’s senior vice president and general counsel, gave $3,000 each.

GEO Group did not respond to a request for comment.

DeSantis’ finances
The quarterly finance reports cover July, August and September, a period in which DeSantis repeatedly rebooted his campaign to cut costs and refocus his message.

They’re the last public disclosure of campaign finances before the critical early contests in 2024.

DeSantis was the second-place Republican presidential fundraiser in the third quarter, NBC News reported, taking in $11.2 million, behind Trump’s $24.5 million. Former Gov. Nikki Haley of South Carolina raised $8.2 million and U.S. Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina brought in $4.6 million.

The campaign, in an early October release, touted the $15 million raised by his campaign committee, leadership PAC and joint fundraising committee, asserting it was “the most emphatic signal yet that the momentum behind his comeback candidacy is continuing to build.”

Trump’s campaign reported its total was $45.5 million.
In the statement, campaign manager James Uthmeier — on leave as chief of staff in DeSantis’ gubernatorial office — said the “significant fundraising haul not only provides us with the resources we need in the fight for Iowa and beyond, but it also shuts down the doubters who counted out Ron DeSantis for far too long.”

DeSantis’ heavy spending in the second quarter, at a pace the campaign couldn’t sustain, prompted intense scrutiny — and rounds of staff cuts, redeployment of personnel, cost cutting, and shifting much of the responsibility for funding the campaign infrastructure on the Never Back Down super PAC.

The super PAC can accept contributions of any amount, unlike direct contributions to the campaign.
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rfenst wrote:
Florida firms fuel DeSantis campaign


South Florida Sun Sentinel

As Ron DeSantis’ presidential campaign dealt with widely publicized financial strains and some prominent mega donors signaled they were closing their checkbooks, the Florida governor turned to people with an incentive to stay on his good side: businesspeople, lawyers, lobbyists and others whose employers or clients have financial interests before state government.

Many obliged.

Campaign finance reports filed this month show dozens of contributions from executives with Florida Power & Light Co. and its Juno Beach-based parent company; leaders of gambling operations owned by the Seminole Tribe of Florida; and officials with the GEO Group, a private prison company based in Boca Raton.The latest contributions from people who own or work at businesses whose fortunes rise and fall based on state actions were first reported by Seeking Rents, an investigative newsletter that focuses on the way business influences public policy in Florida.

The issue: DeSantis “wields enormous leverage over people and businesses in Florida who want favors from his administration,” Seeking Rents said.

Spokespersons for the DeSantis campaign did not respond to questions about money raised from the businesses with interests before state government from the fundraising, including whether people would be justified in thinking the contributions were made to curry favor with the governor.

Florida Power & Light Co.
FPL and its parent company, NextEra Energy Inc., stood out. NextEra Energy is the best known of the Florida business contributors, and parent company of FPL, the country’s largest electric utility. FPL’s rates and profits are set by the state.
Campaign finance reports show 41 NextEra Energy employees contributed to DeSantis presidential campaign in August and September, including John Ketchum, chairman, president and CEO of NextEra Energy and chairman of the FPL unit.

Another nine contributions came from people who listed FPL as their employer.The most common contribution was $1,500, the campaign filing shows.

Senior executives — Ketchum, Armando Pimentel, president and CEO of FPL; Rebecca J. Kujawa, president and CEO of NextEra Energy Resources; and Terrell Kirk Crews, executive vice president of finance and chief financial officer of NextEra Energy — each gave $3,300.

All together, Seeking Rents found nearly 60 NextEra and FPL executives gave more than $100,000 over the summer.
NextEra Energy’s media relations department didn’t respond to questions about the contributions.

The maximum amount individuals can give to a federal primary campaign is $3,300, after which they are “maxed out” and can’t give more. People can give another $3,300 for a theoretical general election campaign, but that money can’t be used for the primary.

Super political action committees, like the Never Back Down Super PAC supporting DeSantis, can raise unlimited sums — if they can find the right donors.

Seminole Tribe
Campaign finance reports show 36 contributions from people associated with Seminole Gaming, Seminole Hard Rock and Hard Rock International during August and September, including several who gave the maximum $3,300 for the primary.

Most prominent is James Allen, who maxed out for the primary and a potential general election campaign shortly before the end of the quarterly reporting period on Sept. 30. Allen is chairman of Hard Rock International and CEO of Seminole Gaming.

Executives of the companies gave at least $87,000 during the quarter, Seeking Rents reported.

In 2021, DeSantis signed an agreement with Seminole Tribe of Florida allowing it to offer online sports betting in the state.
Legal challenges from other gambling interests have blocked its implementation. On Wednesday, the U.S. Supreme Court decided not to stop implementation, but another challenge is before the state Supreme Court.

A spokesperson for the Seminole Tribe did not respond to emailed questions.

‘Everybody is afraid of DeSantis’
Democrats lambasted the Republican governor’s turning to people with economic interests before state government to help finance his presidential campaign.

“It’s the way they do business, and I think it’s horrible. I think it’s absolutely horrible,” said state Sen. Jason Pizzo, who represents parts of Broward and Miami-Dade counties and is slated to become the Senate Democratic leader after the 2024 elections.

“Who else would he be going to? Those are the people that he can do something for, legislatively or appropriation wise, and so he goes to them,” said Broward County Commissioner Nan Rich, a former Senate Democratic leader. “He’s going to people that need things.”

Alfredo Olvera, Broward’s state Democratic committeeman, said the donors contribute because they fear DeSantis’ wrath.
“Everybody is afraid of DeSantis, and it’s a last attempt to make sure that when he loses his campaign, he’s not going to come back to them and attack them because he never got the support from these companies,” Olvera said. “It shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody that any big companies are giving money because the reality is that he is running a government that scares companies, private companies and public companies, so they want to be on his good side.”

State Rep. Chip LaMarca of Lighthouse Point, a former chair of the Broward Republican Party who has endorsed DeSantis for his party’s presidential nomination, said there isn’t anything surprising, unusual or untoward about people making campaign contributions — whether the candidate is running for a city commission seat or a presidential nomination.

“Those are good Florida companies and organizations like the Tribe that have helped him along the way. And I think it’s a mutually beneficial relationship,” LaMarca said. “The state of Florida is very supportive of our (business community).

Whether it’s a publicly owned utility or an Indian tribe, they have businesses here, and they do a lot of good work.”
Go where the money is

More than 38% of the $31.2 million DeSantis raised for his official campaign from the time he got in the race in May through Sept. 30 was from Florida donors, federal finance reports show.

Gregory Koger, a political scientist at the University of Miami, said it reflects a system in which candidates need to raise private donations to run for office.

“Politicians are reliant on private donations. Anybody who’s in office is in a position to do favors for people who might make donations or have made donations,” Koger said. “And it creates the appearance of a conflict of interest, whether it’s fair or not.”

Given that the system requires candidates to raise money to fuel their campaigns, there aren’t that many places for them to raise money.

“If you don’t like the tight connection between Florida governmental action and people making donations to Governor DeSantis, then we should change the system,” Koger said.

“The alternatives are to have somebody who’s incredibly rich — and that has its downsides — and doesn’t need private donations,” Koger said.

Other candidates, such as former President Donald Trump and former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, have found enormous success raising money from small-dollar donors.

“But it requires a different style of politics, a different rhetorical style, issue priorities, and it doesn’t seem to be where Governor DeSantis is right now. It doesn’t seem like he can flip a switch and start receiving small donations instead. It’s not something you can do quite easily,” Koger said.

Developing a base of small-dollar donors is useful for another reason: They can keep giving over and over again before hitting the maximum. The donors who are maxed out, like some of the business executives who donated to DeSantis in the third quarter, can’t give again.

Politico reported that much of the primary cash has been used up, and most of what’s in the campaign coffers can’t be used in the primary because it’s for the general election only, and most of his money — far more than for other Republican candidates — is from maxed-out primary donors who can’t give more.

“That’s a real concern for the campaign. They can’t give anymore, and the money they have received has mostly been burned. They are facing a potential shortage of cash as the voting actually begins in the primaries,” Koger said.
The DeSantis campaign communications director, Andrew Romeo, said there’s no reason for concern.

“We are the only campaign in this race to have already reserved television [ad time] … during the closing stretch, we are fighting Donald Trump for delegates in Nevada while others have backed down, and our fundraising continues to accelerate in the 4th quarter. Unlike others, we’re playing to beat Donald Trump and have the resources and organization to do it,” Romeo said via email.

GEO Group
Nine people associated with the GEO Group, the big private prison operator based in Boca Raton, contributed to the DeSantis presidential campaign in the first half of August, the finance report shows.

George C. Zoley, executive chairman; Jose Gordo, CEO; Wayne H. Calabrese, chief operating officer; and Brian R. Evans, chief financial officer, all maxed out for the primary, at $3,300 each.

Four other people with GEO, including former Florida Senate President Joe Negron, the company’s senior vice president and general counsel, gave $3,000 each.

GEO Group did not respond to a request for comment.

DeSantis’ finances
The quarterly finance reports cover July, August and September, a period in which DeSantis repeatedly rebooted his campaign to cut costs and refocus his message.

They’re the last public disclosure of campaign finances before the critical early contests in 2024.

DeSantis was the second-place Republican presidential fundraiser in the third quarter, NBC News reported, taking in $11.2 million, behind Trump’s $24.5 million. Former Gov. Nikki Haley of South Carolina raised $8.2 million and U.S. Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina brought in $4.6 million.

The campaign, in an early October release, touted the $15 million raised by his campaign committee, leadership PAC and joint fundraising committee, asserting it was “the most emphatic signal yet that the momentum behind his comeback candidacy is continuing to build.”

Trump’s campaign reported its total was $45.5 million.
In the statement, campaign manager James Uthmeier — on leave as chief of staff in DeSantis’ gubernatorial office — said the “significant fundraising haul not only provides us with the resources we need in the fight for Iowa and beyond, but it also shuts down the doubters who counted out Ron DeSantis for far too long.”

DeSantis’ heavy spending in the second quarter, at a pace the campaign couldn’t sustain, prompted intense scrutiny — and rounds of staff cuts, redeployment of personnel, cost cutting, and shifting much of the responsibility for funding the campaign infrastructure on the Never Back Down super PAC.

The super PAC can accept contributions of any amount, unlike direct contributions to the campaign.


And this surprising to you?
And would you be surprised if DMV would find and post the biggest contributors to the Dems hoping to curry favor with their administration?

The two major party play the same grifter game. Only their names are different.

And in some cases, the names are the same. My prior employer told us on a conference call they donate 55% of their contributions to the Republican and 45% to the Democrats.
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Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,349
8trackdisco wrote:
And this surprising to you?
And would you be surprised if DMV would find and post the biggest contributors to the Dems hoping to curry favor with their administration?

The two major party play the same grifter game. Only their names are different.

And in some cases, the names are the same. My prior employer told us on a conference call they donate 55% of their contributions to the Republican and 45% to the Democrats.

No surprise at all.
I don't dispute that D's are just as bad.
Just want to disabuse anyone who'd vote for him thinking he was some "angel" or something.
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