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Does anyone actually enjoy Teams Meetings?
ZRX1200 Offline
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And is “Best Practices” the new corporate catch phrase of the day?
8trackdisco Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
And is “Best Practices” the new corporate catch phrase of the day?


Yes. Teams is good when you are in a meeting with a trusted, like minded person, and you have contests on if you can make the other crack a smile of laugh @ $1 a pop. Great side-hustle.

Best Practices has been in the midwestern vernacular since the early 2011. So it was likely a early 2000's phenomenon in New York and L.A.

In my experience, it was used predominately by Directors and VPs and strongly suggested course of action, without making a directive. It gives them wriggle room so they aren't accountable for unforeseen circumstances the BP may create.

Also gives them the ticket to come down on subordinates not hitting goals because of any variation from the Best Practice. Also shortens future compensation percentages for those not following.

Even more fun if you don't follow the BP, find a better, more profitable approach. Then you get points for Outside the Box thinking, and an Exceeds Expectations rating, at the cost of the people who followed the flawed, BP approach.

Then the Directors/VP take what you did, take credit themselves.

Corporate PTSD (rocking back and forth, mumbling to myself)... Create Value Streams & Economies of Scale! SHIFT THE PARADIGM!!

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Gene363 Offline
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Sooo happy I am retired. Frying pan
Palama Offline
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8trackdisco wrote:
Yes. Teams is good when you are in a meeting with a trusted, like minded person, and you have contests on if you can make the other crack a smile of laugh @ $1 a pop. Great side-hustle.

Best Practices has been in the midwestern vernacular since the early 2011. So it was likely a early 2000's phenomenon in New York and L.A.

In my experience, it was used predominately by Directors and VPs and strongly suggested course of action, without making a directive. It gives them wriggle room so they aren't accountable for unforeseen circumstances the BP may create.

Also gives them the ticket to come down on subordinates not hitting goals because of any variation from the Best Practice. Also shortens future compensation percentages for those not following.

Even more fun if you don't follow the BP, find a better, ore profitable approach. Then you get points for Outside the Box thinking, and an Exceeds Expectations rating, at the cost of the people who followed the flaw, BP approach.

Then the Directors/VP take what you did, take credit themselves.

Corporate PTSD (rocking back and forth, mumbling to myself)... Create Value Streams & Economies of Scale! SHIFT THE PARADIGM!!

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!


Our Corporate Trainer was based out of Minnesota and remember her using "Best practices" as part of her spiel somewhere around the early 2010s. And yah, iffin' the sales reps didn't follow BP to the "T" and didn't close the deal then it was our fault for missing a step (...or two, 3...). Iffin' you missed out on too many deals, there was always the threat of having to undergo "rehabilitative" training.

Yup, life in Corporate America sucked, big time!
HockeyDad Offline
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I’m reading this while sitting on a Teams meeting right now.

I don’t mind Teams, Zoom, or WebEx. I’ve used them all for many years.

Before ‘Rona permanently changed business travel, I flew 100,000 miles in 2019. I travel a fair bit less now.


Perhaps we should have a deep dive on this to develop it as a core competency so we can get some quick wins regarding the next generation customer journey.

frankj1 Offline
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they can meet all they want.
sales pay for all of it.
Mr. Jones Offline
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I ain't A TEAM PLAYAAAAAHHHHH....

JUST ASK ANY FBI-SSG AGENT....

tonygraz Offline
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It's Microsoft, so I have problems with it - the main thing being that it pops up whenever I go on a Zoom meeting.

Jones - I hear it's best practices not to dive alone.
8trackdisco Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I’m reading this while sitting on a Teams meeting right now.

I don’t mind Teams, Zoom, or WebEx. I’ve used them all for many years.

Before ‘Rona permanently changed business travel, I flew 100,000 miles in 2019. I travel a fair bit less now.


Perhaps we should have a deep dive on this to develop it as a core competency so we can get some quick wins regarding the next generation customer journey.



Don't forget to go All In on whatever the flavor of the month initiative is.

Once after the company went All In on an initiative, there was another meeting three months later, where they said we are now going to Double Down.

Following day, the Manager I reported to (she was a Manager, but she was no leader) and I had a 1x1. She asked if I had any questions about the prior day's meeting.

Told her what I heard yesterday was impossible.

We can't Double Down on this, because three months ago we went All In. We don't have any chips left to Double Down.

She just stared at me in the camera, blinking as if she was having a seizure of some sort, and then said I'll get back to you on that.

She still hasn't gotten back to me.



ZRX1200 Offline
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We had 99 people on this one….we’re short handed so as the designated “fixer” I got volunteered. One person asked a question and it was followed by a corporate compliance officer answer with a lot of words that meant nothing nor answered the question. Thankfully I’m smart enough to call in audio and have disabled my camera….my laughs wouldn’t have gone over well. God bless mute.

We’re dealing with a manufacturer recall nationwide and now at this juncture we’re partnered with the manufacturer to handle end user replacements. It’s a logistical nightmare in time, paperwork and documentation for something we didn’t cause nor are we getting paid for at this point. And then after the meeting I get told our satellite guy got his fuel lines cut by a (I’m assuming) druggie…..now I got to work out moving a rig to him 80 miles away. And the part might be backordered with Ford. Joy.
Mr. Jones Offline
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Frank rings the bell several times a day...

Just like Lloyd Braun....
In the Costanza garage office...
ZRX1200 Offline
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Pretty sure Tripod is more of an Anita Ward type….
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Don't use the online video meetings too much other than to "meet" with suppliers to go over drawings and specifications. Phone calls and e-mails serve some simple purposes but sometimes video chats work better and are more efficient for more detailed things. Sometimes we have to do video calls with sales folks and/or our distributors who are on the road or speckled across the map and with our sister company down in NC.

I work for a rather small company and a lot of our daily discussions are done face to face within our home base plant here in MA.
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8trackdisco wrote:
Don't forget to go All In on whatever the flavor of the month initiative is.

Once after the company went All In on an initiative, there was another meeting three months later, where they said we are now going to Double Down.

Following day, the Manager I reported to (she was a Manager, but she was no leader) and I had a 1x1. She asked if I had any questions about the prior day's meeting.

Told her what I heard yesterday was impossible.

We can't Double Down on this, because three months ago we went All In. We don't have any chips left to Double Down.

She just stared at me in the camera, blinking as if she was having a seizure of some sort, and then said I'll get back to you on that.

She still hasn't gotten back to me.




you sure she wasn't gonna Circle Back on that?
Maybe she took Neptune's orbit...?
frankj1 Offline
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Sales make the money.
Period.

Marketing ain't selling.
Using Marketing vocabulary to sell may stir up the emotions in meetings.
Rah.

Discovering agreement on the identified problem to solve for the prospect (could be needing a new t-shirt or a critical part for a space shuttle) is step one.
Catchy phrases need not apply.

I didn't get invited to nor ordered to attend too many meetings.
Mr. Jones Offline
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Frank = LLOYD BRAUN
HockeyDad Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
Sales make the money.
Period.

Marketing ain't selling.
Using Marketing vocabulary to sell may stir up the emotions in meetings.
Rah.

Discovering agreement on the identified problem to solve for the prospect (could be needing a new t-shirt or a critical part for a space shuttle) is step one.
Catchy phrases need not apply.

I didn't get invited to nor ordered to attend too many meetings.


Sales make sales. The money is made when that part for the space shuttle is delivered. You’re going to need to socialize this to get buy-in. It could be low hanging fruit. Let’s put a pin in it and take it offline.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Sales make sales. The money is made when that part for the space shuttle is delivered. You’re going to need to socialize this to get buy-in. It could be low hanging fruit. Let’s put a pin in it and take it offline.

I'm all in.
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Frank = LLOYD BRAUN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90uUGVdIsGo
ZRX1200 Offline
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Sales always feels like they are the center of the universe.

Here on earth logistics and efficient processes make things and money happen. I appreciate sales, when they have a ****ing clue what they’re saying to a referral and don’t write promissory checks their azz isn’t going to cash.

Sociopaths are drawn to sales, just saying.

Frank I thought by reading this thread you would be a YUGE Cheeto fan. Love ya buddy
frankj1 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Sales always feels like they are the center of the universe.

Here on earth logistics and efficient processes make things and money happen. I appreciate sales, when they have a ****ing clue what they’re saying to a referral and don’t write promissory checks their azz isn’t going to cash.

Sociopaths are drawn to sales, just saying.

Frank I thought by reading this thread you would be a YUGE Cheeto fan. Love ya buddy

well, in my defense, my sales weren't done in a cubicle taking calls from people placing orders.
I was self employed, knocking on doors, and closing one-call sales....
Then had to run the job to collect the money...and then everyone got paid.
Cuz of my sale.
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frankj1 wrote:
you sure she wasn't gonna Circle Back on that?
Maybe she took Neptune's orbit...?


She should have Tabled That because it was Outside of Scope.
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What in the Six Sigma is goin' on up in heya?
tonygraz Offline
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I hear Frank has a great source for imported chewing gum.
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Large group meetings are worthless. The organizer should be fired every time one happens. Any meeting that takes more than 1/2 was poorly organized and a waste of time. In sales you bend every rule to the breaking point. Sometimes you break the rule and claim ignorance. In sales only one thing matters, did you make the company money.

Having said that a good salesman undersells and over provides. A good salesman works with logistics to know what can and cannot be done. On a given sale you may need input from 5 or 6 different departments. A good salesman gets this input before giving the customer an answer. If you have to lower your price then get the hell out of sales.

In group meetings to many mouth breathers suck the air up. They reached their rank based on seniority and very little else.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
What in the Six Sigma is goin' on up in heya?


8track is wanting us to take a black belt to him.
HockeyDad Offline
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Speyside2 wrote:
In sales only one thing matters, did you make the company money.


That’s not entirely correct. I’ve worked for or near a number of companies where sales was only about accumulating backlog before an IPO or acquisition. Then you cash out and delivering is someone else’s problem. It is a miserable situation once you identify it happening.
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Spey this one the number and time involved was necessary because of gov compliance. I can’t lose my status as a third party Gov contractor, I enjoy accessing Hut surveillance field reports too much.
frankj1 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Spey this one the number and time involved was necessary because of gov compliance. I can’t lose my status as a third party Gov contractor, I enjoy accessing Hut surveillance field reports too much.

I couldn't deal wif that.
Always had trouble dealing with authority figures and corporate nonsense.
Once I liberated myself from that and went solo I not only made more money but made money for others too.
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Teams is invasive and mind numbing, and too many meetings destroy any real productivity. Best practice would be to just get some fuggin work done
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Teams is the best thing EVER for me... It allows me to work from home 4 days a week. My work requires a ton of collaboration with my team and others so without it we would spend a ton of time in a conference room or Server room. Instead i sit at my desk and smoke Cigars while also doing work and still participating in the call...

I live 75 miles (one way) from the office and used to make that drive every day, now only once a week...
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Teams is invasive and mind numbing, and too many meetings destroy any real productivity. Best practice would be to just get some fuggin work done


You’ll get eye rolls an Okay, Boomer commentary.
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Speaking from experience
0645 - Daily Ops Update Call - .5hr
0800 - Daily Production Meeting - .5hr
0930 - Bi Weekly (every other Tues) Safety Mtg - 1.5hr
1030 - 2x weekly (Mon & Thur) Dept Update Mtg - 1hr
1300 - Daily Maint Mtg - .5hr

So that's 23-27% of a "40" hour work week spent in meetings. That doesn't account for whatever project manager or senior exec wants to suddenly verbally masturbate all over the workforce
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ZRX1200 wrote:
And is “Best Practices” the new corporate catch phrase of the day?

That term is like 10-15 years old and was so pervasive it made me sick. It has no singular defined meaning or action in any context. I always prefer the "golden rules": 1) Do unto others a s you would wish they would do unto you; and 2) He who has e the gold makes the rules (kind of just kidding).
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To answer the original question....Yes. I do. I have no interest in the chit-chat or gossip that occurs in F2F meetings. I can go into a Teams meeting, get the info I need, and check out
Palama Offline
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Speaking from experience
0645 - Daily Ops Update Call - .5hr
0800 - Daily Production Meeting - .5hr
0930 - Bi Weekly (every other Tues) Safety Mtg - 1.5hr
1030 - 2x weekly (Mon & Thur) Dept Update Mtg - 1hr
1300 - Daily Maint Mtg - .5hr

So that's 23-27% of a "40" hour work week spent in meetings. That doesn't account for whatever project manager or senior exec wants to suddenly verbally masturbate all over the workforce


And despite (roughly) 10 hours spent away from your real job, Corporate still expects you to do your 40 hours (…or more…) at your regular position too.
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JadeRose wrote:
To answer the original question....Yes. I do. I have no interest in the chit-chat or gossip that occurs in F2F meetings. I can go into a Teams meeting, get the info I need, and check out



I've been (Very happily) retired for some time, when still working the vast majority of meetings were a waste of time with most if not all participants constantly staring at a cell phone.

F2F or virtual, if there is no meeting agenda produced, followed, action(s) assigned, and action followed up, it's a total waste of time.
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Lloyd BRAUN
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