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Donald J Trump Federal Indictments; Trying to Overturn the 2020 Election
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WASHINGTON (AP)Donald Trump was indicted on felony charges Tuesday for working to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the run-up to the violent riot by his supporters at the U.S. Capitol, with the Justice Department acting to hold him accountable for an unprecedented effort to block the peaceful transfer of presidential power and threaten American democracy.

The four-count indictment, the third criminal case against Trump, provided deeper insight into a dark moment that has already been the subject of exhaustive federal investigations and captivating public hearings. It chronicles a months-long campaign of lies about the election results and says that, even when those falsehoods resulted in a chaotic insurrection at the Capitol, Trump sought to exploit the violence by pointing to it as a reason to further delay the counting of votes that sealed his defeat.





And the hits just keep coming and coming....
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Brew, he's being accused of THOUGHT CRIMES against DUHMACRACY by that creepy LIZARD PEEP Jack Smith. 🦎
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How are those ongoing hits fairing?

How many laws were changed to bring some of those charges?

You knows it’s easy to wonder how certain events were slowed to happen in the past. And it’s more mind boggling to think that some people are so easily manipulated into cheering for it.

I’m going to hold my breath for a misguided response about the wrong thing now.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
How are those ongoing hits fairing?

How many laws were changed to bring some of those charges?

You knows it’s easy to wonder how certain events were slowed to happen in the past. And it’s more mind boggling to think that some people are so easily manipulated into cheering for it.

I’m going to hold my breath for a misguided response about the wrong thing now.


Notice it's the same Covid Kops hand wringing along with Joy Behar and Whoopie Goldberg?

You'd think they'd put the kool-aid down now that they know it makes them look stupid, but just...can't...help...watching...this...trainwreck...again.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/legal-cases-against-trump-explained
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RayR wrote:
Brew, he's being accused of THOUGHT CRIMES against DUHMACRACY by that creepy LIZARD PEEP Jack Smith. 🦎

Wrong. It is not a "thought" crime. There is no such thing.

It is an alleges crime about action taken and not taken in the matter, which requires state of mind to convict. Just like a first degree murder conviction. "Malice of forethought", as the saying goes...
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rfenst wrote:
Wrong. It is not a "thought" crime. There is no such thing.

It is an alleges crime about action taken and not taken in the matter, which requires state of mind to convict. Just like a first degree murder conviction. "Malice of forethought", as the saying goes...


How come LEFTIES are allowed free speech to question the outcome of an election that didn't go in their favor and even say the election was outright stolen without being charged with a premeditated thought crime?
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6 Ways Jack Smith’s Latest Indictment Is Legally Flawed And Politically Shady



Jack Smith, in his rush to ‘get Trump,’ has done serious violence to our constitutional order and Bill of Rights.

Special Counsel Jack Smith’s latest indictment against President Trump seeks to criminalize political speech and taking incorrect legal advice. Americans of all political stripes should be furious and deeply concerned by the course Smith has set this country on.

I have reviewed the new Trump indictment closely, and sadly, it is exactly what we have come to expect from Smith’s team — a highly political document, riddled with legal and factual infirmities. This indictment should have never been brought to a grand jury in the first place. Moreover, its timing, particularly in light of Smith’s statements and actions in the Trump documents case, is so highly suspect that it casts a political pall over the whole case.

The Indictment

Smith’s indictment contains four counts against Trump.

The first, brought under 18 U.S.C. § 371, alleges that Trump conspired to defraud the United States “by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to obstruct federal government function by which those results are collected, counted and certified.”

The second and third allege conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and the actual or attempted obstruction of an official proceeding, both in violation of subsections of 18 U.S.C. § 1512.

The fourth alleges that Trump committed a “conspiracy against rights,” by knowingly conspiring to deprive Americans of their right to vote and have their votes counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.

Having read the indictment, having followed Jan. 6-related cases closely, having read extensive news coverage, and having spoken to others with experience in this area of the law, I do not believe any of these charges can fairly be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in front of a fair judge and jury. Additionally, I expect that were this case to reach the Supreme Court, the court would reject Smith’s theories of liability on all or at least some of these counts, as it did unanimously with his prosecution of former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell.

Smith and his team did a real disservice to the cause of justice by bringing this indictment.

1. Trump’s State of Mind

In the Trump documents case, we’ve already seen how thorny issues of intent can be. There, many of us have argued that, in light of the president’s rights and responsibilities under the Presidential Records Act, it is essentially impossible for Jack Smith to prove that Trump knowingly violated the Espionage Act subsection charged.

Here, we have a similar issue. For all four of these charges, Smith needs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump knew his claims about election integrity were false, and that he knew the legal theories his team advanced were not viable.

Not just that these claims were false, not just that Trump might have known that they were false, or that Trump should have known that they were false. If Trump did not actually know his claims were false and the theories he was advancing were wrong, then I do not see how he can be found guilty of any of the four charges in the indictment.

While Smith points to a few statements Trump allegedly made to others at various stages of his election challenges where he impliedly (if you squint hard enough) appears to concede defeat, the overwhelming gravamen of Trump’s statements and actions indicate he believed that his claims — both factual about the conduct of the election and legal about potential remedies — were true. Considering the record as a whole, how does one go about proving Trump didn’t believe his own arguments?

Moreover, three of these counts charge conspiracy. For those counts, Smith likely has to prove that Trump’s alleged co-conspirators also knew the claims they were advancing were false. And that Trump and his alleged co-conspirators all agreed, knowing that the claims were false, to press ahead anyway. Given the list of co-conspirators, their activities during the time period in question, and the interactions between them and Trump that have already been made public, I think the opposite is likely the case.

In short, proving the requisite intent on the part of Trump and his alleged co-conspirators on all of these charges is likely impossible, at least in front of a fair jury in a fair courtroom. This indictment should never have been brought.

2. Criminalizing Political Speech

Others have made this point publicly already, so I won’t belabor it. To put it simply, Jack Smith’s theory of the case necessarily requires criminalizing political speech. This is core, protected activity under the First Amendment, and the legal implications are truly scary for our democracy.

Is any public challenge to a certified federal election a criminal act? In Jack Smith’s telling, the answer is probably yes. At what point do election challenges become criminal? Based on Jack Smith’s theory of the case, the answer to that is entirely unclear, meaning that the very fact that this indictment was brought may have a deeply chilling effect on protected speech in years to come.

Hillary Clinton, Stacey Abrams, and many, many others have claimed for years that their elections were stolen from them. Abrams continued her efforts to challenge her defeat to Brian Kemp long after the results were clear. Andrew Jackson claimed John Quincy Adams cheated him out of the election of 1824. After the 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections, Democrats attempted to interfere with the electoral count process. Did those actions constitute a conspiracy against rights under § 241? Under Jack Smith’s theory of the case, I think the answer is unclear, but possible.

Taking political speech and political acts of this sort and shoehorning them into criminal statutes that have never before been used in this way is terrifying. Political candidates should not live in fear of prosecution by their political opponents for stating their views about their elections.

Jack Smith, in his rush to “get Trump,” has done serious violence to our constitutional order and Bill of Rights.

3. Proving Trump’s Specific Intent

Section 241 is a statute that was originally designed to deal with violence against black voters by the Ku Klux Klan, and other similar efforts to deprive people of their constitutional rights. Jack Smith’s use of it here is outrageous on its face, designed to inflame perhaps more than anything else. But there are also serious legal issues that Smith and his team seem to have been willing to ignore in terms of the statute’s applicability to the facts alleged.

In United States v. Guest, the Supreme Court grappled with the constitutionality of this statute, facing an argument that it was unconstitutionally vague and overbroad. The Supreme Court ultimately held that the statute was constitutional, but only because of the heightened intent requirements that follow from it being a conspiracy statute. In the Supreme Court’s words, “[a] specific intent to interfere with the federal right [at issue] must be proved” on the part of the alleged conspirators. Only because of that specific intent requirement was the prosecution in that case allowable, and was the statute itself deemed to pass constitutional muster.

Eight years later, in Anderson v. United States, the Supreme Court addressed the applicability of § 241 to a scheme to cast fake votes for federal, state, and local candidates in West Virginia. The court cautioned that “[i]t is established that since the gravamen of the offense under § 241 is conspiracy, the prosecution must show that the offender acted with a specific intent to interfere with the federal rights in question.” Furthermore, the court stated that “special care” was warranted in assessing this intent, because “charges of conspiracy are not to be made out by piling inference upon inference, thus fashioning … a dragnet to draw in all substantive crimes.”

To prove his case, it’s not enough for Jack Smith to prove that Trump and his alleged co-conspirators sought to overturn certified election results — he needs to prove they acted with specific intent to deprive people of the right to have their votes counted. This cannot be established by inference, under binding Supreme Court precedent. Smith needs evidence that Trump’s intent was specifically to deprive people of their right to have their votes counted.

On the face of the indictment and public record, it doesn’t appear he has anything close to meeting this high bar.

4. Proving a Fraud Conspiracy

Section 371 is a statute that criminalizes defrauding the federal government or interfering in lawful functions of government. Its origins are in the tax fraud context, and it was originally cabined closely to property fraud against the federal government. Even after the statute was expanded, though, the Supreme Court has urged caution throughout the statute’s history that a conspiracy charge relating to the obstruction of governmental functions must be premised on the use of “deceit, craft or trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest,” as was decided in Hammerschmidt v. United States. “Open defiance” of the law, for example, cannot give rise to a § 371 charge.

Courts have consistently held that obtaining a conviction under this statute requires both the existence of an agreement to achieve an unlawful objective, as well as deliberate, knowing, and specific intent to participate in that agreement.

Smith’s theory is that Trump and his alleged co-conspirators conspired to “defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government.” But in light of the requirements for proving fraud conspiracy under § 371, Smith needs to show that Trump and his team knew their theories were groundless when they promoted them to state legislators and other decision-makers in the electoral count process and encouraged those officials to take various official actions. And that Trump and his team agreed this was the plan — promoting theories they knew were groundless, based on facts that they knew were false, to these legislators and officials.

The fact that Trump received advice to the contrary just doesn’t cut it, from a legal perspective, when it comes to proving a fraud conspiracy under § 371. This charge appears to be dead on arrival from a legal perspective.

5. Misapplication of Obstruction Law


Section 1512 was originally enacted as part of the Sarbanes Oxley Act in 2002, intended to deal with the fallout from the Enron collapse and investigations. Subsection (c), under which Trump has been charged, deals primarily with destroying evidence in advance of judicial proceedings or legislative inquiries, but it also contains a catchall provision that criminalizes corruptly “obstructing” an official proceeding.

The Biden DOJ has used this catchall provision, controversially, to prosecute Jan. 6 defendants, and two of the counts in this new indictment track this theory — that Trump’s activities and statements constituted an obstruction of an official proceeding, namely the electoral count process.

This is an issue that is expected to come before the Supreme Court sooner rather than later. In a sharply divided panel opinion this April, the D.C. Circuit allowed § 1512 charges to proceed against three Jan. 6 defendants. But it did so only on the basis that, in the words of Judge Justin Walker’s decisive concurrence, the act’s requirement of a “corrupt” mental state on the part of the defendants sharply delimited its scope. In Walker’s view, to convict under this statute, a defendant must have acted with the specific intent “to procure an unlawful benefit either for himself or for some other person.” (Judge Katsas dissented and would have dismissed the charges entirely).

Under this reading of the statute, it is not enough that Trump (and, in the case of the conspiracy charge, his alleged co-conspirators) called for protests. It is not enough that Trump tried to prevent the certification of the election or the counting of electoral votes. Trump could have burned down the Capitol personally and that wouldn’t necessarily meet this high bar. He must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have done what he did to procure a benefit for himself that he knew to be unlawful. As with the other statutes discussed above, this is a very high bar to meet, and the facts as presented simply do not support this charge.

6. Perfectly Timing the Trial for Election Season

As he did with his original indictment in the documents, Jack Smith accompanied his announcement of charges yesterday with a cynical call for a “speedy trial.” More than anything else, Smith’s insistence that these cases that he is bringing should be tried at the height of a presidential election adds fuel to the fire of Trump’s expressed view that the special counsel is waging a political campaign against him, not a valid legal investigation.

There is simply no reason why this case needs to be litigated now, as opposed to two years ago, or as opposed to after the presidential election in 2024. In the documents case, Smith followed his speedy trial call with a voluminous discovery production consisting of close to a million pages of documentary evidence, nine months of video recordings, and terabytes of data to be analyzed by Trump’s defense team. He then proceeded to file a superseding indictment adding new charges and a new defendant. That case was either ready for trial at the time it was brought, or it wasn’t, but Smith can’t have it both ways — his public statements and court filings amount to a gaslighting of the federal court and indeed of the American people.

In this case, the timing concerns are even more severe. The facts at issue date back to 2020 and the first few days of 2021. President Trump has already been impeached and acquitted for the same conduct he now faces these criminal charges for. Trump is now running to be president again (and winning in many polls).

Inserting this case into the presidential election season has all the appearances of an attempt by Smith to substitute the judgment of his office, a single judge, and 12 D.C. jurors for the millions of Americans who would otherwise have had the opportunity to weigh these facts, alongside all the other political considerations that go into a presidential election. These millions of Americans will likely be faced with a choice to vote for Smith’s boss, Joe Biden, or his likely opponent, Donald Trump.

Prosecuting a political opponent during a presidential election in this manner smacks of banana republic politics.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/03/jack-smiths-latest-indictment-is-legally-flawed-and-politically-suspect/



Nothingburgers and a teardown on institutions because they have severe mental issues.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
How are those ongoing hits fairing?

How many laws were changed to bring some of those charges?

You knows it’s easy to wonder how certain events were slowed to happen in the past. And it’s more mind boggling to think that some people are so easily manipulated into cheering for it.

I’m going to hold my breath for a misguided response about the wrong thing now.


Currently, Trump has 78 criminal charges against him at the state and federal level.

Do you honestly believe that he is not guilty of any felonious conduct - not even one count - all made up?

Or do you feel he should not be held to the rule of law?
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Brewha wrote:
Currently, Trump has 78 criminal charges against him at the state and federal level.

Do you honestly believe that he is not guilty of any felonious conduct - not even one count - all made up?

Or do you feel he should not be held to the rule of law?



Oh, how cute.
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Ah, another member of the Brewha Fan Club.... Applause
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Brewha wrote:
Ah, another member of the Brewha Fan Club.... Applause



I'm too busy laughing at you, and your track record. Trump, Russia...Russia...Russia, Covid, EV's...hell, it doesn't matter you have a track record of being on the wrong side of Reality. I'm not asking for an apology nor a retraction, no...you keep on being the real contrarian. Me, and anyone that cares just have to do whatever opposite of what you peddle.
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Brewha wrote:
Currently, Trump has 78 criminal charges against him at the state and federal level.

Do you honestly believe that he is not guilty of any felonious conduct - not even one count - all made up?

Or do you feel he should not be held to the rule of law?



When Trump was running for re-election I said there was no way that would be allowed to succeed.

It’s fairly clear that Trump will not be allowed to be re-elected now even if he has to be assassinated.
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It's a Jacobin court, the trial is rigged against Trump.

Judge Overseeing Trump’s J6 Case Previously Donated to Obama Campaign and Worked at Same Law Office as Hunter Biden

By Anthony Scott Aug. 2, 2023 6:20 pm

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As The Gateway Pundit reported on Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan who was appointed by Obama will be the judge overseeing Trump “January 6th” case in DC.

Chutkan has a long history of ruling against conservatives and according to NBC “She is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C., who has sentenced Jan. 6 defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested.”

A quick look into Chutkan’s political donation records reveals she donated over $3,000 dollars to Barack Obama from 2008-2012.

More...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/judge-overseeing-trumps-j6-case-previously-donated-obama/
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I'm too busy laughing at you, and your track record. Trump, Russia...Russia...Russia, Covid, EV's...hell, it doesn't matter you have a track record of being on the wrong side of Reality. I'm not asking for an apology nor a retraction, no...you keep on being the real contrarian. Me, and anyone that cares just have to do whatever opposite of what you peddle.


It must be a burden for you - being the only one who knows reality.
You are a beacon for us all.

btw, how much are you donating to Trumps' defence fund?
You know they did not indict him - they indicted you.....
(dat be what da man be sayin')
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HockeyDad wrote:
When Trump was running for re-election I said there was no way that would be allowed to succeed.

It’s fairly clear that Trump will not be allowed to be re-elected now even if he has to be assassinated.


Drama queen.
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Brewha wrote:
Drama queen.


So that’s your “red line”? Is it though?
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RayR wrote:
How come LEFTIES are allowed free speech to question the outcome of an election that didn't go in their favor and even say the election was outright stolen without being charged with a premeditated thought crime?

If they should have known or were knowingly lying to the country in order to fraudulently foment dissent and spread election-altering lies to over-rule the will of voters- that is a crime.

Yes it requires proof of "knew or should have known," but that is not a thought crime. There is no such thing.

You can think whatever you want.

It is your physical action or inaction that constitutes the crime
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I'm too busy laughing at you, and your track record. Trump, Russia...Russia...Russia, Covid, EV's...hell, it doesn't matter you have a track record of being on the wrong side of Reality. I'm not asking for an apology nor a retraction, no...you keep on being the real contrarian. Me, and anyone that cares just have to do whatever opposite of what you peddle.

Always the contrarian...


Sarcasm
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HockeyDad wrote:
So that’s your “red line”? Is it though?

Odd that you would work to sell the idea of assassination.
I know that you like to stir sh1t - but really?

Bad HockyDad, bad!
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btw - I hope the guy who drives Trump to prison is named Brandon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDUxqYFIgMo
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rfenst wrote:
Always the contrarian...


Sarcasm



WTF...feeling generous...add you to the pile too. Especially for your Covid and Insurrection mindset.

Comical AF!!
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MACS wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDUxqYFIgMo


How come Tulsi sees things clearly, but the LEFT O' Centers here don't want to. Think
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Brewha wrote:
It must be a burden for you - being the only one who knows reality.
You are a beacon for us all.

btw, how much are you donating to Trumps' defence fund?
You know they did not indict him - they indicted you.....
(dat be what da man be sayin')


I have a question only you can answer..........How does it feel going through life as a clueless leftwing blowhard and a major league azzhole?

Inquiring minds wait with bated breath.
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I have a question only you can answer..........How does it feel going through life as a clueless leftwing blowhard and a major league azzhole?

Inquiring minds wait with bated breath.


Brewha just likes stirring up the chit. Some would say we should block him but censorship and canceling is a LEFY thing.

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Whistlebritches wrote:
I have a question only you can answer..........How does it feel going through life as a clueless leftwing blowhard and a major league azzhole?

Inquiring minds wait with bated breath.


It feels GREAT WB, thanks for asking. I always seem to compare myself to the Trump deek smoking conservative Right that there are so many of on this forums - and that make it feel even better.

Sorry to make you bate your breath (that really doesn’t sound good) for so long.
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Delusional fraudspeak Brew. Completely delusional on your part.


"Banana Republic": Dershowitz Says Biden 'Urged' Garland To Indict Trump, Jack Smith 'Could' Be Indicted Under KKK Statute



During two recent Fox News interviews, Harvard Law professor (and former Jeffrey Epstein pal, and Trump impeachment attorney) Alan Dershowitz said that the prosecution of former President Donald Trump by the sitting president's DOJ for contesting the 2020 election "looks like banana republic land."

Trump pleaded not guilty on Thursday to a four-count indictment over his efforts to contest the results of the 2020 US election. This comes on the heels of a 37-count indictment in June regarding Trump's handling of classified documents.

"President Biden urged his attorney general to indict the man who he knew was going to be the leading opponent if against him," Dershowitz told "Kudlow" guest host, David Asman. "That begins to look like banana republic land. That’s what happens when people in power are afraid of the democratic process. What they do is they seek the indictment and prosecution of the people who are running against them."

"I have a constitutional right to vote against Donald Trump for the third time," said Dershowitz. "I voted against him twice, I intend to vote against him again, but I want to have that right to vote against him and not have that right taken away from me by prosecutors and by the president, who wants to see him imprisoned. That’s just not the American way."

Dershowitz also slammed the Biden administration over venue, arguing that the District of Columbia was a setup.

"This is a step in that direction, and also placing the case in the District of Columbia, which is 95% anti-Trump, putting it in front of a judge with a history of anti-Trump. If the government thinks they have a strong case, they ought to join the defense and agree to move it to West Virginia or Virginia and put it in front of another judge who doesn’t have a long history of anti-Trump attitudes," he said, adding "So, I don’t believe he can get a fair trial in the District of Columbia."

KKK statute?

In another Fox News interview, this time on Brian Kilmeade's radio show, Dershowitz suggested that Special Counsel Jack Smith could be indicted for denying Trump his "constitutional rights" under a Ku Klux Klan statute.

"The indictment is based on lies, and the indictment itself contains a blatant lie by Jack Smith. He describes the speech of January 6th," he said, adding "But he describes the speech in the indictment and deliberately and willfully leaves out the key words of the speech, namely that the president told his people to protest peacefully and patriotically."

"By leaving out those words. It’s a lie by omission. And under the standards set out in the indictment, you know, Jack Smith could be indicted," he continued. "Theoretically, it’s not going to happen, obviously, under the Ku Klux Klan statute that he says any people who conspire to deny somebody their constitutional rights is guilty of a crime."

According to Dershowitz, "That would mean that Jack Smith tried to deny Trump his constitutional rights in this indictment."

"I make that point not to argue that Jack Smith should be indicted, of course not. To make the point that the indictment is so broad, so wide, so all encompassing, it could include so much political conduct."

Watch:

https://tinyurl.com/2ueatdbj

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/banana-republic-dershowitz-says-biden-urged-garland-indict-trump-jack-smith-could-be


Lived through the blind following the blind with Clinton, Obama and Pedo Joe...still haven't seen a Lefty pull their head out of their own ass and admit they've been duped. Keep on with your TDS peddling. Let's us know who and what you are.
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Brew it doesn’t matter what I think he’s guilty of, what’s happened is more important and people have to choose if they’re going participate in it.

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I bet Jack Smith would look pretty spiffy in white KKK garb, holding a hangman's noose and the burning cross of indictment behind him. It's a witch hunters dream.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Brew it doesn’t matter what I think he’s guilty of, what’s happened is more important and people have to choose if they’re going participate in it.



Do you feel that some or all of the 78 charges he has pending are baseless or politically motivated?

Trump brought dozens of court cases about his "stolen election" and got due process on them. Lacking sufficient evidence they were thrown out. I say let's give him due process on his charges.

The Right has gone down the path again that only Trumps word can be trusted - that State prosecutors, Federal prosecutors and Grand Juries are all crooked and "out to get him". And most all of his supporters never look at the changes, look at the evidence, or listen to the inquiries.

I'll grant you that there are time when the government can't be trusted. But they never can be and Trump always can be??? how do you figure?

He's the messiah - right?
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He could admit guilt publicly to all 78 charges and his supporters would not change any opinion they currently have of him...
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I heard those 78 charges are FAKE NEWS from a WITCH HUNT to try to keep the eye off the ball of that BIDEN CRIME FAMILY.
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If he admitted to all charges I would still feel the same about this behavior….you’d think a tribe that is so inclined to call another tribe obsessed and blind would be trying harder to look past prejudice.

By any and all means gets us?
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I thought the election was secure and Biden won fair and square? Think

I thought it was only that Trump guy that was working to subvert the election according to the indictments? Think

So how come Democrat-Funded Organizations resemble Mafioso fronts? Think

My faith in sacred duhmacracy is shattered. Sad Sarcasm

NOW WE HAVE PROOF! TGP EXCLUSIVE: Massive 2020 Voter Fraud Uncovered in Michigan – Police Find: TENS OF THOUSANDS of Fake Registrations, Bags of Pre-Paid Gift Cards, Guns with Silencers, Burner Phones, and a Democrat-Funded Organization with Multiple Temporary Facilities in Several States

By Benjamin Wetmore And Patty McMurray Aug. 8, 2023 7:30 am

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Special Thanks to Phil O’Halloran and Lori Skibo for their contributions and assistance with this story. The two election integrity activists obtained a copy of the State Police report and began investigating the story in June. Phil O’Halloran, now Chairman of the Michigan Republican Party’s Election Integrity Committee and Lori Skibo, Director of the MI GOP’s Poll Challenger Program, brought it to our attention and are assisting with our research of this story.

On October 8, 2020. only one month before the 2020 general election, Muskegon, MI City Clerk Ann Meisch noticed a black female (whose name was redacted from the police report), dropping off between 8,000-10,000 completed voter registration applications at the city clerk’s office.

The Muskegon Police Department was contacted and asked to investigate. On 10/21/20 First Lieutenant Mike Anderson was contacted by Tom Fabus, Chief of Investigations for Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel’s Office. According to the MI State Police report, Mr. Fabus asked for Michigan State Police assistance with a joint investigation of alleged voter fraud being conducted by the Muskegon Police Department and the AG.

An investigative task force was formed, and an investigation was initiated.

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Brewha Online
#35 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
If he admitted to all charges I would still feel the same about this behavior….you’d think a tribe that is so inclined to call another tribe obsessed and blind would be trying harder to look past prejudice.

By any and all means gets us?


Who said that?
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Brewha wrote:
Who said that?


Axl?
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HockeyDad wrote:
Axl?








Yeah......I deserved that...
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