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Red state or blue state?
MACS Offline
#1 Posted:
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We're supposed to be the United States of America. But in many ways, we're now divided into two very different nations.

There is red state America.

And there is blue state America.

The red states favor conservative, small government, free market policies: low taxes, light regulation, tough-on-crime policing, and worker freedom. Think Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Arizona, and Utah.

The blue states favor a liberal/left, big government approach: high taxes, heavy regulations, high minimum wages, and mandatory union membership. Think New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Illinois, Oregon, and, of course, California.

Progressives like to argue that their big-government, high tax policies are economically superior and thus better for the poor, minorities and working-class Americans than those of red states. Conservative policies, progressives contend, are culturally backward, and tilted to benefit the rich.

Let's test this thesis by comparing three of the largest red states: Florida, Texas, and Tennessee with three of the largest blue states: California, New York, and Illinois.

If progressive policies really work, then Americans should be rushing to get into the blue states.

But just the opposite is happening.

Americans are packing up their U-Hauls and heading to the red states. According to the New York Times, in August 2020, so many people wanted to leave New York City that moving companies were turning away business. They just couldn't handle the demand.

This exodus may be accelerating, but it's not new.

Over the last decade the three big blue states each lost an average of one million people to other states, while the three big red states gained almost a million from other states.

Makes perfect sense. Americans like freedom. Small government means more freedom.

And freedom means opportunity.

Let's say you're looking for a job. Over the last decade, Florida, Texas and Tennessee have gained twice as many jobs as the progressive states.

Not only that, but your money goes further in red states. According to a 2019 Tax Foundation study, your $100 stretches to $111 in purchasing power in Tennessee, while in New Jersey it shrinks to $89.

If you're a big corporation or a small company looking for a business-friendly environment, affordable housing or maybe just a better quality of life, where are you going to go?

The tough decision is not choosing a red state or a blue state. The tough decision is which red state to move to.

Progressives like to say that this isn't about economics, it's about weather. The red states tend to be in the South and southwest where the weather is warmer.

But that doesn't explain why so many people are leaving California which has the best weather in the country.

So, what does explain the migration from blue states?

Start with taxes. The two most populous blue states — California and New York — have the highest tax rates in America, while the two most populous red states — Texas and Florida — have no income tax at all.

When taxes get too high, people move to where taxes are lower. The problem for the high-tax states is that these people take their money, their ambition, and their employees with them.

Then, there is crime.

Do blue cities do better than red cities?

The answer, of course, is no. Of the twenty cities with the highest murder rates, 18 are run by left-leaning Democrats — and for the most part, have been for decades. And these cities aren't getting safer; they're getting more dangerous.

A good chunk of Minneapolis was burned to the ground as a result of riots, following the death of George Floyd.

Portland had over 90 consecutive nights of rioting — not peaceful protests, rioting.

Seattle allowed an entire section of the city to declare itself an autonomous zone — a first in American history!

Progressive governors, progressive mayors, progressive police chiefs run all these cities and states.

Ask any resident of Los Angeles or San Francisco about the rise in homelessness and you'll get a litany of horror stories. Both cities, of course, have a long history of progressive mayors.

How about keeping us healthy and safe? Surely the progressive states, with their strict lockdowns, did a better job saving lives from the coronavirus.

Nope.

Adjusted for population, as a resident of New York, New Jersey or Illinois, you were three, four or even five times more likely to die of the virus than if you lived in a red state like Florida, Texas, Georgia, Utah or Arizona.

Progressives and liberal Democrats may mean well. They certainly talk a lot about how much they care about the poor, minorities and the working class.

Yet somehow, it's always the poor, minorities, and the working class who pay the price for their bad policies. That's why those who can move, move. Those who can't get stuck with the short end of the stick.

Red state America is prospering. Blue state America is in meltdown.

So, where do you want to live?

Stephen Moore - economist at FreedomWorks
RayR Offline
#2 Posted:
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Stephen Moore shouldn't be dropping truth bombs like that. Some LEFTY might get hurt by the shrapnel.

The progressives always truly wanted a United State of America, you know "one nation indivisible", like in that socialist Pledge of Allegiance, tyrannical stuff like that. The system of federalism, the divided sovereignty thing always stuck in their craw.

Never forget that the only power they seek is absolute power, you know "one ring to rule them all".
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted:
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My personal thoughts:

Texas is turning purple- then will inevitably turn blue within the next decade or less.

Florida's economy is booming on its own because we have 1,100 new tax paying people move here every day. We lack industry and are depend solely on tourism and agriculture. Citrus, which used to be king, id now out of the picture due to unpreventable disease.

Florida's tax revenue and housing/rental costs have sky rocketed such that we are in a housing bubble right now. Real wage gain is running about 4% year over year. Never mind Desantis' governor's last 20% margin victory. His last opponent was a washed out politician with plenty of dirt on himself. And, Desantis only has a statewide approval rating of 50% vs. 49%, NOT a whopping endorsement by any means.

Liberalism has been the U.S. trend for over a century. Right now it appears to be taking a coupe steps backward, IMO, but only represents certain socio-political battles, not the long-term, ongoing change- for better or worse.

Finally, our national debt needs to be discussed solely relative to our GDP. Other countries such as Japan, France and Great Britain (to name a few) have run huger deficits relative to their GDP for decades and have not seen laden debt destroy their economies. Nevertheless, I see benefit in whittling our debt down by cutting expenses and increasing tax revenue.

As I sit here and type this, the gloom and doom scenario that we are heading towards a short or intermediate financial meltdown any time soon is IMO unsupported by facts, just fear of the unknown.
RayR Offline
#4 Posted:
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So, you got your rose-colored glasses on Robert? You don't see a day of reckoning coming?
Even Fitch which downgraded the US regime's credit rating, sees a recession coming in the near future. That's no bold prediction, the country has been on a roller coaster ride of one government induced financial crisis and war after another since 1913 with the creation of that FED thing that they said would make recessions and depression impossible because wicked smaht people would be in charge.

"wicked smaht" I learned that from Frank. Wink

MACS Offline
#5 Posted:
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I don't totally disagree, Robert. If the people and companies leaving blue states for red don't recognize why they left for a better situation and continue to vote in and support democrat policies... the red states will turn blue, sadly.

The left has had full control of educating our children and they are much dumber, as a whole, than past generations. They're buying into the outright lies. Dumb people are easily manipulated and fooled.
8trackdisco Offline
#6 Posted:
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Am living in a purple state. Wish it had a redder hue.
Whistlebritches Offline
#7 Posted:
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Robert even with all the illegals entering Texas it will not turn blue ...........not now not ever.It would seem that the left knows less about the Mexican mindset than they do about wiping their own azz.Yet the Biden administration keeps trying......A putz followed by morons.
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Blue states aren’t always as blue as many like to think of them.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I don't totally disagree, Robert. If the people and companies leaving blue states for red don't recognize why they left for a better situation and continue to vote in and support democrat policies... the red states will turn blue, sadly.

The left has had full control of educating our children and they are much dumber, as a whole, than past generations. They're buying into the outright lies. Dumb people are easily manipulated and fooled.



BINGO!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted:
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Robert even with all the illegals entering Texas it will not turn blue ...........not now not ever.It would seem that the left knows less about the Mexican mindset than they do about wiping their own azz.Yet the Biden administration keeps trying......A putz followed by morons.


BANGO!
Gene363 Offline
#11 Posted:
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Robert even with all the illegals entering Texas it will not turn blue ...........not now not ever.It would seem that the left knows less about the Mexican mindset than they do about wiping their own azz.Yet the Biden administration keeps trying......A putz followed by morons.


Latinos are not the victims the democrats are looking for.
HockeyDad Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Latinos are not the victims the democrats are looking for.


They need to be taught that the socialism and communism they are fleeing from just wasn’t implemented correctly.
Gene363 Offline
#13 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
They need to be taught that the socialism and communism they are fleeing from just wasn’t implemented correctly.


Herfing
drglnc Offline
#14 Posted:
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I live in a red county in a Blue state... the county i live in always goes R and the state has voted for the Dem candidate all but twice in the last 50 years. both of those were in the 80s... my vote really doesn't matter.
KDT Offline
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I live in a state that alternates between red and blue every 8 years or so. Mind boggling
deadeyedick Offline
#16 Posted:
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KDT wrote:
I live in a state that alternates between red and blue every 8 years or so. Mind boggling


Could have something to do with the qualifications of the candidates, no?
HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted:
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deadeyedick wrote:
Could have something to do with the qualifications of the candidates, no?


Prolly just varying degrees of election fraud.
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