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HamaS aWakeNs a slEEping 🐯 🐅 tiger...
Mr. Jones Offline
#1 Posted:
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HamaS invaded Israel today? Yesterday?
Took hostages...soldiers and civilians...
Dozens of them? Or more??

Hundreds injured on both sides...

You'd think?

That HamaS is the first group that understands Israels "RESPONSE HISTORY"...

WTF???

IT'S BEEN PREETY DAMN SIMPLE for decades on end...

You f**k with the israel....
They hit you back ten times harder...

Do it again???
100 times harder....

Who's running HamaS??
Some dumb f*k ...
Obviously...

Mr. Jones Offline
#2 Posted:
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Sorry, #'s wrong

Israelis : 250 dead

Gaza's & HamaS : 230 dead
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Just saw...

Israelis : 500 dead / 2000 injured

Gaza HamaS : 232 dead / 1750 injured

This is very bad...it's only going to get worse...
Sneak attack during a religious holiday...
Like the Tet offensive...
HamaS using kidnapped Israelis as live sheilds to protect important buildings...low life scum tactics
MACS Offline
#4 Posted:
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We need to stop all aid to Ukraine. Send some aid to Israel.
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U.S. Office of Palestinian Affairs

“We unequivocally condemn the attack of Hamas terrorists and the loss of life that has incurred. We urge all sides to refrain from violence and retaliatory attacks. Terror and violence solve
nothing.”
rfenst Offline
#6 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Just saw...

Israelis : 500 dead / 2000 injured

Gaza HamaS : 232 dead / 1750 injured

This is very bad...it's only going to get worse...
Sneak attack during a religious holiday...
Like the Tet offensive...
Hamas using kidnapped Israelis as live shields to protect important buildings...low life scum tactics

They have already killed enough Israelis comparable in relative population percentage to 40,000 Americans.
This will not end well for Gaza, Hamas. Hezbollah or Iran.
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MACS wrote:
We need to stop all aid to Ukraine. Send some aid to Israel.



We need to save some for the upcoming Taiwan war. Or maybe the Serbia Kosovo war. Or the Armenian ethnic cleansing.

Somebody wake Biden!

rfenst Offline
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MACS wrote:
We need to stop all aid to Ukraine. Send some aid to Israel.

B.S.
Fully fund Ukraine while it remains successful.
Israel can take care of itself without U.S. aid for now.
Pandora's Box is now open x 2 with both wars.
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It's not a good idea to mess with Israel in a military conflict. Poke in the eye and they can and will appropriately kick your ass x10. Apparently someone doesn't know history.

NINE!
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
We need to save some for the upcoming Taiwan war. Or maybe the Serbia Kosovo war. Or the Armenian ethnic cleansing.

Somebody wake Biden!


Taiwan is an inevitable loss for Taiwan- and it's ally the U.S.

Serbia Kosovo will be a cleansing wreck.

Israeli response will destroy Gaza. Israel will also take prisoners to trade off for captured Israelis. This will be a blood bath.

And, this took place on the sacred Jewish Holiday called Simcha Torah ("Joys of the Torah")- the time of year where we finish reading the end of the Torah (Old Testament) and begin studying it over again it again at its beginning- Genesis.

None of this has to do with Biden being President.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
It's not a good idea to mess with Israel in a military conflict. Poke in the eye and they can and will appropriately kick your ass x10. Apparently someone doesn't know history.

NINE!

Total despair in Gaza lead to this.
MACS Offline
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rfenst wrote:
B.S.
Fully fund Ukraine while it remains successful.
Israel can take care of itself without U.S. aid for now.
Pandora's Box is now open x 2 with both wars.


NOT BS... might want to do a little research on Ukraine, pal. We're paying hush money.
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rfenst wrote:
None of this has to do with Biden being President.


Keep telling yourself that.

Keep voting in the DNC $hitbags that hate Israel as much as Iran!
RayR Online
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Keep telling yourself that.

Keep voting in the DNC $hitbags that hate Israel as much as Iran!


Yes, scumbag Biden gave $6Billion ransom payment to Iran, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi said they will use the money "wherever we need it". It's supposed to be used for "humanitarian purposes". To Iranian mullah government that means money can be used for killing humans they don't like.
Stinkin' Blinken claimed the U.S. has “not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there is certainly a long relationship.” Weasel Words Translation: Money was probably used to fund Hamas attacks.
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Follow the money....

It always tells the T.R.U.T.H....
AND
EXPOSES THE L.I.A.R.S.
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MACS wrote:
NOT BS... might want to do a little research on Ukraine, pal. We're paying hush money.

Even if so, it still needs our support to remain free, to contain Russian aggression and to and protect NATO.
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Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks

The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gave the final go-ahead last Monday in Beirut


WSJ

DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.

Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

U.S. officials say they haven’t seen evidence of Tehran’s involvement. In an interview with CNN that aired Sunday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there is certainly a long relationship.”

Hamas militants breached Israeli checkpoint locations along the border with Gaza, neutralizing Israeli forces, and allowing Hamas to spread into nearby towns. Photo illustration: Annie Zhao
“We don’t have any information at this time to corroborate this account,” said a U.S. official of the meetings.

A European official and an adviser to the Syrian government, however, gave the same account of Iran’s involvement in the lead-up to the attack as the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members.

Asked about the meetings, Mahmoud Mirdawi, a senior Hamas official, said the group planned the attacks on its own. “This is a Palestinian and Hamas decision,” he said.

A spokesman for Iran’s mission to the United Nations said the Islamic Republic stood in support of Gaza’s actions but didn’t direct them.

“The decisions made by the Palestinian resistance are fiercely autonomous and unwaveringly aligned with the legitimate interests of the Palestinian people,” the spokesman said. “We are not involved in Palestine’s response, as it is taken solely by Palestine itself.”

A direct Iranian role would take Tehran’s long-running conflict with Israel out of the shadows, raising the risk of broader conflict in the Middle East. Senior Israeli security officials have pledged to strike at Iran’s leadership if Tehran is found responsible for killing Israelis.

The IRGC’s broader plan is to create a multi-front threat that can strangle Israel from all sides—Hezbollah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in the north and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, according to the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members and an Iranian official.

At least 700 Israelis are confirmed dead, and Saturday’s assault has punctured the country’s aura of invincibility and left Israelis questioning how their vaunted security forces could let this happen.

Israel has blamed Iran, saying it is behind the attacks, if indirectly. ​​ “We know that there were meetings in Syria and in Lebanon with other leaders of the terror armies that surround Israel so obviously it’s easy to understand that they tried to coordinate. The proxies of Iran in our region, they tried to be coordinated as much as possible with Iran,” Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, said Sunday.

Hamas has publicly acknowledged receiving support from Iran. And on Sunday, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi talked to Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ziyad al-Nakhalah and Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh.

Iran has been setting aside other regional conflicts, such as its open feud with Saudi Arabia in Yemen, to devote the IRGC’s foreign resources toward coordinating, financing and arming militias antagonistic to Israel, including Hamas and Hezbollah, the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members said.

The U.S. and Israel have designated Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations.

“We are now free to focus on the Zionist entity,” the Iranian official said. “They are now very isolated.”

The strike was intended to hit Israel while it appeared distracted by internal political divisions over Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government. It was also aimed at disrupting accelerating U.S.-brokered talks to normalize relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel that Iran saw as threatening, the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members said.

Building on peace deals with Egypt and Jordan, expanding Israeli ties with Gulf Arab states could create a chain of American allies linking three key choke points of global trade—the Suez Canal, the Strait of Hormuz, and the Bab Al Mandeb connecting the Red Sea to the Arabian Sea, said Hussein Ibish, senior resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington.

“That’s very bad news for Iran,” Ibish said. “If they could do this, the strategic map changes dramatically to Iran’s detriment.”

Leading the effort to wrangle Iran’s foreign proxies under a unified command has been Ismail Qaani, the leader of the IRGC’s international military arm, the Quds Force.

Qaani launched coordination among several militias surrounding Israel in April during a meeting in Lebanon, The Wall Street Journal has reported, where Hamas began working more closely with other groups such as Hezbollah for the first time.

Around that time, Palestinian groups staged a rare set of limited strikes on Israel from Lebanon and Gaza, under the direction of Iran, said the Iranian official. “It was a roaring success,” the official said.

Iran has long backed Hamas but, as a Sunni Muslim group, it had been an outsider among Tehran’s Shia proxies until recent months, when cooperation among the groups accelerated.

Representatives of these groups have met with Quds Force leaders at least biweekly in Lebanon since August to discuss this weekend’s attack on Israel and what happens next, they said. Qaani has attended some of those meetings along with Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah, Islamic Jihad leader al-Nakhalah, and Saleh al-Arouri, Hamas’s military chief, the militant-group members said.

Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian attended at least two of the meetings, they said.

“An attack of such scope could only have happened after months of planning and would not have happened without coordination with Iran,” said Lina Khatib, director of the SOAS Middle East Institute at the University of London. “Hamas, like Hezbollah in Lebanon, does not single-handedly make decisions to engage in war without prior explicit agreement from Iran.”

The Palestinian and Lebanese militias’ ability to coordinate with Iran will be tested in the coming days as Israel’s response comes into focus.

Egypt, which is trying to mediate in the conflict, has warned Israeli officials that a ground invasion into Gaza would trigger a military response from Hezbollah, opening up a second battlefront, people familiar with the matter said. Israel and Hezbollah exchanged fire briefly on Sunday.

Hamas has called on Palestinians in the West Bank and Palestinian citizens of Israel to take up arms and join the fight. There have been limited clashes in the West Bank, but no reports of clashes between Arabs and Jews inside Israel, as happened in May 2021 when Israel and Gaza last engaged in extended combat.

The Iranian official said that if Iran were attacked, it would respond with missile strikes on Israel from Lebanon, Yemen and Iran, and send Iranian fighters into Israel from Syria to attack cities in the north and east of Israel.

Iran’s backing of a coordinated group of Arab militias is ominous for Israel. In previous conflicts, the Soviet Union was the ultimate patron of Israel’s Arab enemies and was always able to pressure them to reach some type of accommodation or recognize a red line, said Bernard Hudson, a former counterterrorism chief for the Central Intelligence Agency.

“The Soviets never considered Israel a permanent foe,” he said. “Iran’s leadership clearly does.”
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444 days on the wall...444 days...if we use Bidenomics to come up with the next number...another American loses his head...445 quadzillion thousand days on the wall...


While Hamas Holds U.S. Citizens Hostage, Joe and Jill Biden are Hosting a BBQ at the White House


Sunday evening, while countless U.S. citizens were being held hostage by Hamas in Gaza, as war rages in the Middle East, and while the bodies of those slaughtered by terrorists are still being found and returned to their families, President Joe Biden thought it would be a grand time to have a Sunday evening barbecue.

According to White House pool reports, the pool reporter could hear a live band playing during the late afternoon and early evening around the White House Rose Garden and asked what was going on. The pooler was told that POTUS was hosting a barbecue for White House Executive Residence staff and their families.

Of course, it's not a bad thing for the President to do something nice for the employees at the Executive Residence and their families, especially since he's brought dogs with biting problems to their workplace and blamed them for cocaine found at the White House. But perhaps this particular day, when we're in the middle of a crisis, while numerous American families are wondering if their loved ones will get out of Gaza unharmed, and while other American families are preparing to bury family members slaughtered by Hamas barbarians, is not the right day to hold that BBQ.

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/10/08/while-hamas-holds-us-citizens-hostage-joe-and-jill-biden-are-hosting-a-bbq-at-the-white-house-n2164839


Now, just need some cooling ice cream to soothe the BBQ heartburn this geriatric buffoon has.
MACS Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Even if so, it still needs our support to remain free, to contain Russian aggression and to and protect NATO.


While we fund Bio labs in Ukraine? We're not guilt-free... the things we've done in the area caused Russia to do what they did. That's a fact.
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MACS wrote:
While we fund Bio labs in Ukraine? We're not guilt-free... the things we've done in the area caused Russia to do what they did. That's a fact.

So, you are saying the U.S. was part of what provoked Russia to try to take Ukraine away from its people?
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@18
Much ado about nothing!
RayR Online
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MACS wrote:
While we fund Bio labs in Ukraine? We're not guilt-free... the things we've done in the area caused Russia to do what they did. That's a fact.


That swamp thing, the Federal behemoth has been funding all sorts of nasty things and nasty people directly or indirectly for many decades in the name of "U.S. foreign policy". The swamp thing's foreign interventions have done incredibly well meddling in the affairs of corrupt foreign governments and funding its enemies. I'm sure some of those free weapons the Biden regime left in Afghanistan even ended up in the hands of Iran and Hamas.
Robert denies that the swamp thing had anything to do with provoking Putin or anybody else's belligerent activities. He must think the swamp thing's intentions are purely peaceful.
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How many EU nations have come to Ukraine's aid? To what level?

They're not a NATO member.

How many EU NATO members are up to date with their pledges towards NATO?

USA is not in the EU.

WTF are we doing in that nazi DNC slush fund of a nation?

And yes...we DO HAVE BIO-WEAPON LABS THERE LIKE WUHAN!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
@18
Much ado about nothing!


Well, it is about Biden so duh!


MACS Offline
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rfenst wrote:
So, you are saying the U.S. was part of what provoked Russia to try to take Ukraine away from its people?


YUP.
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Israel’s Opportunity to Destroy Hamas

The security establishment has feared engagement in Gaza more than the terror group’s rule. Saturday’s attack may change that.


By Daniel Pipes/WSJ Opinion

Hamas’s surprise attack is a humanitarian horror. It is also a strategic opportunity for Israel, the U.S. and democracies everywhere.

Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, which author Cynthia Farahat describes as “the world’s incubator of modern Islamic terrorism.” From Hamas’s origins in 1987, it has engaged in violence against Israelis, Palestinians and whoever else might cross its path. A sequence of Israeli missteps led in 2007 to its taking power in the Gaza Strip, an area the size of Omaha, Neb., with a population of two million. It imposed a totalitarian rule on Gaza similar to that of the mullahs in Iran, attempting to implement medieval strictures, oppressing its own population, and threatening to destroy Israel.

There are many indications that Gazans hate Hamas. “There is boiling anger in the streets against the Hamas movement,” Tholfekar Swairjo, a Gazan political analyst, told NPR in 2022. “They are blamed for the very low quality of life in Gaza.” A 32-year-old woman said that “most Gazans have stopped believing in Hamas and the others. You know why? Because they don’t feed us, they don’t provide anything. You have to depend on yourself. How can we build a future with these guys?”

Polling finds overwhelming support among Palestinians, especially in Gaza, for the statement that “Palestinians should push harder to replace their own political leaders with more effective and less corrupt ones.” Gazans also reject Hamas by emigrating in droves. An estimated 250,000 to 350,000 young adults have left the strip since Hamas took over in 2007.

In short, most Gazans loathe Hamas, but they dare not rise up against their power-hungry oppressors, who enjoy support from Iran. What about Israel? It has the motive and the means to end Hamas rule, but its security establishment has preferred that Hamas, for all its horrors and threats, stay in power rather than have the Israel Defense Forces move back into Gaza (from which they withdrew in 2005) and run the territory again. For one sign of Israel’s acquiescence to Hamas rule, note that it permits and even encourages the government of Qatar to send Hamas $30 million a month.

As a result, nothing changes. Perhaps the moment has come for American leadership. In 2003, President George W. Bush said that “the free world, those who love freedom and peace, must deal harshly with Hamas” and that “Hamas must be dismantled.” President Barack Obama said in 2014: “I have no sympathy for Hamas. I have great sympathy for ordinary people who are struggling within Gaza.”

Joe Biden should join their ranks. In a statement Saturday, he said he “unequivocally condemns this appalling assault”—a good start. The next step is to urge Israel to remove Hamas. Perhaps this, along with the size and barbarism of the latest assault, will change the Israeli security establishment’s reluctant acceptance of Hamas and persuade it to rid the world of this scourge.

Once Gaza has been secured, Israel would find a great number of its inhabitants ready to start over and build productive lives rather than focus endlessly and hopelessly on the destruction of Israel. Gaza could aspire to become the “Singapore of the Middle East” of which optimists dreamed decades ago. None of this can happen as long as Iran’s medieval-minded agents run the enclave.

The Hamas charter of 1988 calls for Islam to “obliterate” Israel. After this vicious assault, the time has come for Israel to obliterate Hamas.



Anyone who beleives this is dreaming.
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From a Palestinian: Bassem Eid

"To my Palestinian brothers and sisters, and to anyone who supports the Palestinian people, I implore you:

Please do not let Hamas brainwash you into thinking it has "achieved" anything on our behalf.

It hasn't.

Not in the Gaza Wars of 2021, 2014, 2012, or 2008.

Each one of these pointless conflicts has been a catastrophe, costing us dearly in lives and treasure.

Hamas is not a social justice movement, and it certainly does not care about the Palestinian people.

It is a criminal gang that only cares about increasing its own power.

Israel is not the main cause of your suffering.

Hamas is the main cause.

Israel is not your jailer.

Hamas is.

It was Hamas that led you into this most recent disaster.

They told you that the Israelis were evicting innocent Palestinians from their homes in the Sheik Jarrah area of East Jerusalem.

This is a lie.

The people living in those homes weren't tenants; they were squatters. They hadn't paid rent for decades.

They told you that the Israelis planned to destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque.

This, too, is a lie.

The mosque is still there. It will be there tomorrow. Say what you want about the Israelis, they are not stupid. They know that if they actually attempt to destroy Al Aqsa, it would lead to war with every Muslim country.

Yes, Hamas takes action and thus looks strong next to its rival, the corrupt Fatah party. But the only action it takes is to lead us into chaos.

Hamas has no ability—and, in fact, no desire—to govern.

The water isn't safe to drink; the power goes out for hours at a time; raw sewage washes up on your beaches. The Israelis are not responsible for these dismal failures—Hamas is. And everybody in Gaza knows it.

It is Hamas that steals the imported cement meant to build houses for you and uses it instead to build a massive network of tunnels from which it hopes to terrorize Israelis. It is Hamas that makes sure humanitarian aid meant for you is diverted to its favored elites who then sell it for a profit on the black market.

And it is Hamas that uses you as human shields, stationing rocket launchers and missile arsenals in your apartments, office buildings, schools, and even hospitals.

Israel uses rockets to defend its people. Hamas uses people to defend its rockets.

As for its war strategy, Hamas doesn't have one. It fires missiles at the most highly populated regions of Israel, with no specific target. Yet, I know from my sources in Gaza that as much as 25 percent of all rockets launched by Hamas in May 2021 crashed within Gaza. Fifty Gaza civilians were killed by these rockets, their deaths falsely blamed on Israel.

Are you aware of the fact that some of the Hamas missiles that Israeli Defense Forces failed to intercept ended up exploding in places like Jaffa, Abu Ghosh, and Lod—where Arab Israelis live? Palestinians living in Israel are as likely to be killed as Israelis themselves.

Hamas couldn't care less.

And what was gained?

Palestinians living in those four buildings in Sheikh Jarrah will still eventually be evicted, a fact that has been known to those families since they sold away the title to those buildings.

Think about the even greater number of Palestinians who are now homeless in Gaza because Hamas chose to hide weapons in residential buildings.

And when naïve American and European NGO's offer millions to "rebuild Gaza" who do you think will get that money? It won't be you—the people who really deserve it and need it—it will be the leaders of the Hamas gang and their friends who will add new rooms to their fancy villas rather than rebuild homes, purchase coronavirus vaccines, or provide social services for their people.

And the peace you so deserve, the peace which could have been possible when Israel withdrew entirely from the Gaza Strip in 2005 will be even further out of reach. Hamas robbed you of that chance when it set up its military gang then. It's robbing you of the same chance now.

No matter how many Jews it manages to kill, Hamas will never be satisfied.

It will never stop lying.

But you can stop believing its lies."
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I sincerely hope that Israel uses this time to scrape the earth of Gaza all the way to the sea. Take back it all. Enough is enough.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I sincerely hope that Israel uses this time to scrape the earth of Gaza all the way to the sea. Take back it all. Enough is enough.


I agree.
RayR Online
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Now let's stop all this saber rattling for a moment and reflect on where this thing called Hamas came from.
Ron Paul spoke the truth in 2009, so has retired Israeli official Avner Cohen and retired Israeli Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev.
Like the U.S. sorry history of foreign interventionism, Israel made the same blunders by getting in bed with Islamo-Jacobins years ago.

But some will say the patriotic thing to do is to not even think about this stuff.


FLASHBACK: Ron Paul ‘Hamas Was Started by Israel’?

daniel_g by daniel_g2 days ago2 days ago


Quote:
In 2009, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) said on the House floor that Israel ‘encouraged and started Hamas.’

Paul’s comments came during a speech about ‘blowback’ due to U.S. intervention in the Middle East.

“What’s happening in the Middle East, in particular with Gaza right now, we have some moral responsibility for both sides in a way because we provide help and funding for both Arab nations and Israel,” Paul said.

“We have a moral responsibility, especially now today the weapons being used to kill so many Palestinians are American weapons and American funds are being used for this,” he added.

“But there’s a political liability, which I think is something we fail to look at because too often there’s so much blowback from our intervention in areas that we shouldn’t be involved in,” he continued.

“You know Hamas, if you look at the history, you’ll find out that Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yasser Arafat,” Paul commented.

“You say, Well, yeah, it was better then and served its purpose, but we didn’t want Hamas to do this. So then we, as Americans, say, Well, we have such a good system; we’re going to impose this on the world. We’re going to invade Iraq and teach people how to be democrats. We want free elections. So we encouraged the Palestinians to have a free election. They do, and they elect Hamas,” Paul continued.

“So we first, indirectly and directly through Israel, helped establish Hamas. Then we have an election where Hamas becomes dominant, then we have to kill them. It just doesn’t make sense. During the 80s, we were allied with Osama bin Laden and we were contending with the Soviets. It was at that time our CIA thought it was good if we radicalize the Muslim world. So we finance the Madrassas school to radicalize the Muslims in order to compete with the Soviets. There is too much blowback,” he said.

“There are a lot of reasons why we should oppose this resolution. It’s not in the interest of the United States, it is not in the interest of Israel either,” he added.

More...

https://wltreport.com/2023/10/08/flashback-ron-paul-hamas-was-started-israel/

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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I sincerely hope that Israel uses this time to scrape the earth of Gaza all the way to the sea. Take back it all. Enough is enough.



We need a new parking lot in that part of the world.

And this would be an excellent time for the Squad to visit Gaza.
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#32 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I sincerely hope that Israel uses this time to scrape the earth of Gaza all the way to the sea. Take back it all. Enough is enough.



We need a new parking lot in that part of the world.

And this would be an excellent time for the Squad to visit Gaza.


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Israel has no choice other than to attack. I suspect Iran will be attacked also, in black ops events.
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#33 spey...

You can bet your bippteeee booooo
That the mossad will be pulling stunts a plenty in Iran....

Iran will impose a news blackout about the incursions...

But it will happen in SPADES!!!
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Speyside2 wrote:
Israel has no choice other than to attack. I suspect Iran will be attacked also, in black ops events.



If they they do a thorough job, the people who gave money to Iran, who gave it to the hamas terrorists better worry too.Whistle
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Was Biden’s Speech as Pro-Israel as You Think?




No. Because it was missing the only word that matters.

There is only one word that mattered in President Joe Biden’s remarks on the terrorist attack on Israel—and it was a word he didn’t say.

For those who care about actual U.S. policy rather than feel-good schmaltz, the point of Biden’s speech was not the oft-repeated dubious anecdote about meeting with Golda Meir during the Yom Kippur War. Nor was it Biden’s rich declarations about how he was raised in synagogues—along with being raised in Puerto Rican communities and growing up in Black churches. Rather, the entire speech was centered around the absence of one word: Iran.

Biden’s glaring omission of Iran, the chief sponsor, funder, and weapons supplier of Hamas, and the intended beneficiary of its monstrous suicide attack, was an affirmation that his administration’s policies remain unchanged after a weekend of unprecedented horror in Israel. Namely, Biden still fully intends to continue providing cover for the Iranian regime, to whom he released $16 billion of held funds before the attack—in addition to the tens of billions more that the administration has gifted Iran by not enforcing sanctions on its oil sales.

Instead, the administration has rather bizarrely been expending all its diplomatic capital since the attack to avoid connecting Iran in any way to a massacre perpetrated by a terror group that Iran clearly funds, arms, trains and directs. The administration has expended particularly large amounts of energy responding to an inconvenient Wall Street Journal article that reported that the Iranians planned the attack in the joint operations room they have established in Lebanon (the existence of which Hezbollah media had announced in 2021 after the last Gaza war).

Responding to the Journal article, National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan told the press that they have absolutely no “confirmation”—zero, none—to back up the claim of Iranian foreknowledge, planning, or help in directing this particular attack. Yet in nearly the same breath, Sullivan called Iran “complicit” in Hamas’ attack. “They have provided the lion’s share of the funding for the military wing of Hamas. They provide training, they have provided capabilities, they have provided support, and they have had engagement in contact with Hamas over the years and years.” Come again? NSC spokesman John Kirby then added that there was nothing that suggests the Iranians were “witting, involved in the planning, or involved in the resourcing and the training that went into this very complex set of attacks over the weekend.”

Biden’s address was actually the second statement the administration put out that deliberately avoided mentioning Iran. On Monday, the U.S. released a joint statement with the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, and the United Kingdom, which not only avoided to mention Iran by name (never mind holding it responsible) but also made sure to include the administration’s term of art for its pro-Iran policy: “integration.” That is, the moral of the bloodiest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was that Iran and its regional assets like Hezbollah must continue to be “integrated” into the American regional architecture by forcing them down the throats of old allies like Israel and Saudi Arabia. They should not only “share the neighborhood” with those who seek their destruction, but they must prop up the polities these terrorists control.

What we heard in Biden’s speech, therefore, wasn’t the most moving articulation of the longstanding American alliance with Israel ever in human history, as a deluge of pro-administration propagandists rather stridently insisted. Rather, what we heard was the deliberate obfuscation of a reality that is plain, stark, and staring everyone in the face.

Biden’s glaring omission of Iran, the chief sponsor, funder, and weapons supplier of Hamas, and the intended beneficiary of its monstrous suicide attack, was an affirmation that his administration’s policies remain unchanged.

The reason the word “Iran” can’t be mentioned in public by the White House is that the Hamas massacre on Saturday is the direct product of a decade of U.S. regional policy directed at funding and reinforcing and strengthening a terrorist and terror-sponsoring regime in Tehran. It’s a vision built on a realignment of U.S. interests with this regime, to be cemented with gifting them a nuclear bomb. It’s a statement of ongoing commitment to this policy, which explains a comment made by a senior administration official in a briefing with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, in which he spoke of “future initiatives” with Iran that the administration doesn’t want to see jeopardized. In other words, the administration’s priority is to ensure that none of the ugly business in Israel on Saturday is allowed to interfere with “future initiatives” with the mullahs.

Well, take a good look. What happened on Saturday is so ugly in part because that’s what the administration’s Iran policy looks like. Yes, the pictures, videos, and recorded voice calls are distastefully harrowing to some. But that’s the policy—which is often referred to as Barack Obama’s “legacy” or “signature initiative.” The policy is that Iran must be allowed a free hand to conduct its massacres through its regional Jew-hating proxies, while being given de facto immunity by the United States from Israeli retribution.

But wait, didn’t Biden say, as he again told American Jewish community leaders yesterday, that his administration was “enhancing” the U.S. posture by sending a U.S. carrier fleet to the eastern Mediterranean, which a senior defense official explained was sent to serve as “a deterrent signal” (whatever that means) to Iran and Hezbollah? Didn’t he say that sending the ship made it “very clear” to the Iranians to “be careful”?

So what do you suppose that aircraft carrier means? We already know, because Jake Sullivan said so explicitly, that the USS Gerald Ford is not in the region to strike Hamas. It’s there to ensure, as one administration official after another has said, that the war doesn’t expand to other fronts. But Hezbollah has spent days launching and orchestrating attacks from south Lebanon. Did they miss the “deterrent signal”? On the contrary. They understood exactly what it means, and to whom it’s intended: Israel is being deterred by the United States from striking them.

Senior administration officials told CNN that they “do not believe at this point that Hezbollah is likely to join Hamas’ war in force against Israel.” They also “think the warnings are having an impact even though there has been some escalation on the border.” So, Hezbollah will continue to use Lebanon as a launching pad against Israel, but not “in force.” Sure, there will be “some escalation,” but Israel will need to absorb those attacks, in order to “avoid igniting a larger regional war”—with Iran.

In other words, what the U.S. is signaling is Iran and Hezbollah’s preferred scenario: cost-free attacks from south Lebanon without fear of devastating Israeli retaliation. The U.S. carrier group, in other words, is there to ensure Israel does not attack Iran or Hezbollah, even if it wanted to. Integrate. Don’t escalate.

Israel just suffered the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. It cannot afford to indulge in wishful thinking and fanciful readings of the U.S. strategic posture. Nor should it misread the vociferous statements of condemnations of Hamas as support for Israel, except insofar as it is willing to accept its new regional status as a punching bag for Iran.

After two days of radio silence, the architect of America’s Iran policy, Barack Obama, finally offered a single tweet.

All Americans should be horrified and outraged by the brazen terrorist attacks on Israel and the slaughter of innocent civilians. We grieve for those who died, pray for the safe return of those who’ve been held hostage, and stand squarely alongside our ally, Israel, as it dismantles Hamas. As we support Israel’s right to defend itself against terror, we must keep striving for a just and lasting peace for Israelis and Palestinians alike.

Apparently, terrorists who kill 1,200 people in their homes and at a music festival is not the kind of thing you comment on at once. It takes a good 48 hours to think it through. That was the message.

Yet the text of Obama’s tweet is not entirely unimportant. It clarifies the point of American policy, which is to compel Israel to focus on Hamas in isolation, and not attempt to climb the escalation ladder against America’s preferred Middle Eastern partner. Yes, go ahead, “dismantle Hamas.” The trap is already set, as evidenced in Biden’s speech and in the “advice” of the deputy national security council adviser, Jon Finer, who reminded Benjamin Netanyahu of the need to act according to the rule of law. “We uphold the laws of war. It matters.”

Israeli retaliation was built into both the Iranian war plan and Obama’s info op. In other words, Israel is being encouraged to retaliate against Hamas—at which point it will be duly roasted for killing civilians. Release your anger, Luke. But whatever you do, don’t hit the Iranians.

This dichotomy is an important article of faith for Team Obama-Biden, and is in clear contrast to the policies of President Trump, who ended the fictional distinctions between Iran and its terror tentacles in the region. Trump’s regional policy was based on backing Israel and the Gulf states against Iran. By contrast, the current policy, disguised with florid promises about “having Israel’s back,” is designed precisely to protect Iran while it dismembers America’s allies—quite literally.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/was-bidens-speech-as-pro-israel-as-you-think


JOhnKErry has a penchant for meeting with Iranians...anybody see him lately?
JGKAMIN Offline
#37 Posted:
Joined: 05-08-2011
Posts: 1,405
I’m sure this will work out well given the previous deals this administration brokered for a basketball player for an arms dealer then 5 for 5 with $6,000,000,000.00 needing to be thrown in to even it up.

https://worldisraelnews.com/hamas-seeks-to-exchange-cair-leader-in-federal-prison-for-us-hostages/
DrMaddVibe Offline
#38 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,498
It's actually worse!


PA to immediately reward families of Oct. 7 terrorists with nearly $3 million
The "pay-for-slay" stipends will continue for the rest of their relatives' lives.




(October 17, 2023 / JNS)

The Palestinian Authority will pay nearly $3 million to the families of slain Hamas terrorists who slaughtered civilians in Gaza border communities on Oct. 7, Palestinian Media Watch reports.

The corpses of 1,500 Hamas terrorists were found after the massacre in which more than 1,400 Israelis were killed and more than 4,100 others were wounded. At least 199 captives were taken back to Gaza.

The Palestinian Authority will be rewarding the Hamas terrorists and their families with $2,807,000 – already this month. The PA has not only expressed support for the Hamas terror attacks, but under PA law it will be rewarding the terrorists.

Read more:https://t.co/btGbEkoXVv
— Pal Media Watch (@palwatch) October 15, 2023

Under P.A. law, every Palestinian terrorist who is killed attacking Israelis is classified as a “martyr” and the family is rewarded with a 6,000 shekel ($1,511) grant and a monthly stipend of 1,400 shekel ($353) for life.

The Israel-based NGO and media watchdog estimates that each family will receive 7,400 shekels for the first month—11.1 million shekels ($2,789,430) in total to the families of the Hamas terrorists killed in the attack that began on Oct. 7.

“The P.A. sends every month nearly half of the P.A. budget to Gaza. They call it ‘southern districts,’” PMW director Itamar Marcus said.

“We are used to seeing the P.A. and Gaza as two different entities, but the P.A. funds all the civil servants in Gaza,” Marcus stressed.

“We know that in the past, when Israel carried out operations in Gaza, and many Hamas terrorists were killed, there were suddenly many ‘martyrs,’ but they didn’t get the payments right away so there were a lot of complaints from Hamas [security] prisoners,” Marcus said.

“Eventually, they were paid retroactively. According to P.A. law the families of the “martyrs” should start receiving money immediately. Given the situation, we don’t know when it will be done but as in the past, the money will be paid as the P.A. gives this highest priority, he explained.

In addition, the 50 Hamas terrorists captured by Israel who participated in the massacre will be paid at least 70,000 shekels ($17,590) in total this month. As part of the P.A.’s “pay-for-slay” program, terrorists in Israeli prisons receive monthly stipends starting at 1,400 shekels per month that eventually increase to 12,000 shekels per month.

Terrorist prisoners who are married with children receive even higher salaries from the P.A.


In total, the P.A. will pay at least 11.17 million shekels ($2,807,021) in payments to the families of dead Hamas terrorists and to imprisoned Hamas terrorists who participated in the Oct. 7 massacre.

Palestinian Media Watch said that this was a conservative estimate, because as the war continues Israeli forces will kill and capture more Hamas terrorists.

“The Palestinian Authority should be sending a big thank-you to the E.U. countries and Norway, currently the largest funders of the P.A., because the P.A. could not possibly make these terror payments without them,” Palestinian Media Watch stated.

“These donor countries like to pretend that it’s not their money rewarding terrorists, but everyone knows that the P.A. could not reward terrorists without this generous foreign funding. When payments to teachers, police and street cleaners are taken care of by international donors, the P.A. has the hundreds of millions available it needs to pay for terror,” the NGO said.

https://www.jns.org/pa-to-immediately-reward-families-of-oct-7-terrorists-with-nearly-3m/
DrMaddVibe Offline
#39 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,498

Turns out hospital in Gaza was NOT hit by a rocket and hundreds of Palestinians did NOT die…


New evidence today suggests the hospital in Gaza was not hit by an Islamic Jihad rocket, but rather the parking lot adjacent to the structure.

Here’s drone video and photos that show the damage to the parking lot:

The IDF released drone footage showing the Ahli Hospital in Gaza both before and after the explosion overnight.

The IDF points out the absence of a crater and the lack of damage to surrounding buildings. pic.twitter.com/UodlmuruS8

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) October 18, 2023

pic.twitter.com/UdetEiVS2I

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) October 18, 2023

pic.twitter.com/vUxzbbvhYe

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) October 18, 2023

And we now have footage of the (partially) burnt-out parking lot at the Ahli Hospital in Gaza.

Overall damage to the structures in the complex appears to be limited, a clay-tiled awning adjacent to the parking lot is still mostly intact. pic.twitter.com/Tf0EAUJLR5

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) October 18, 2023

This image also has the exact same number and distribution of vehicles as the released IDF drone footage, confirming the veracity of both. pic.twitter.com/RDVXWMW2xZ

— Oliver Alexander (@OAlexanderDK) October 18, 2023

Additional walkthrough of central courtyard and parking lot area of the Ahli Hospital in Gaza, after the explosion last night. pic.twitter.com/r37HAuE586

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) October 18, 2023

There may have been people outside the hospital that died, but it wasn’t the hundreds purported by Hamas. This just goes to show just how far Hamas will go to lie about Israel and how the media will run with the misinformation with no attempt to get the story straight or even show skepticism for the source.

https://therightscoop.com/turns-out-hospital-in-gaza-was-not-hit-by-a-rocket-and-hundreds-of-palestinians-did-not-die/


That should quiet down the riots around the globe.

Now, I REALLY hope the IDF flattens the place into dust.
Mr. Jones Offline
#40 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,434
This information is FREAKIN '
Mind boggling!!!

I had no idea!!!

Unbelievable!!!

No wonder this crazy BASTIDS run head on into certain death....I can't believe that the Palestinians have such a program and comprehensive program that keeps track of this crap....it's exhausting even hearing about it...which I had no idea it even existed let alone was ever conceived of???

WTF????

No wonder these crazy BASTIDS do what they do....

I thought it was all totally for ALLAH.....

WHEN IN UNBEKNOWNST TO ALL OF US???
ITS LIKE "SOCIAL SECURITY" PAYMENTS TO THEIR FAMILIES BECAUSE THEY DIED BEING TERRORISTS???

FREAKIN UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
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