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TEXAS AG would rather you die then get a medically needed Abortion
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At the request of the Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, The Texas Supreme Court has temporarily blocked a pregnant woman from obtaining an emergency abortion in a ruling issued late Friday.

The court froze a lower court’s ruling that would have allowed Kate Cox, who sued the state seeking a court-ordered abortion, to obtain the procedure. “Without regard to the merits, the Court administratively stays the district court’s December 7, 2023 order,” the order states.

The court noted the case would remain pending before them but did not include any timeline on when a full ruling might be issued. Cox is 20 weeks pregnant. Her unborn baby was diagnosed with a fatal genetic condition and she says complications in her pregnancy are putting her health at risk.

Following the ruling, Cox’s attorney said they remain hopeful the state’s request is quickly rejected. “We are talking about urgent medical care. Kate is already 20 weeks pregnant,” said Molly Duane, an attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights. “This is why people should not need to beg for healthcare in a court of law.”

The ruling came just hours after Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton petitioned the high court to intervene in the case.

Paxton’s petition stemmed from a ruling on Thursday by a Texas judge who granted a 14-day temporary restraining order against the state’s abortion ban, so Cox could legally terminate her pregnancy.

The decision marked a significant development in the ongoing debate over the state’s medical exception to its controversial ban on abortions after six weeks – one of the strictest in the nation.

In the petition filings with the state Supreme Court, Paxton – who has threatened prosecution against anyone who helps facilitate the abortion – asked for an emergency stay of the district court judge’s ruling.

This undated handout photo provided courtesy of Kate Cox, shows Cox standing for a photo in Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas. Kate Cox, a 31-year-old mother-of-two from Dallas-Fort Worth, sued the state of Texas on December 5, 2023, in order to get an abortion for a pregnancy that she and her doctors say threatens her life and future fertility. Cox learned last week that her fetus has full trisomy 18, a condition that means her pregnancy may not survive until birth and if it does her baby would be stillborn or live for minutes, hours or days, according to the lawsuit. (Photo by HANDOUT / Kate Cox / AFP) / RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE - MANDATORY CREDIT "AFP PHOTO / Kate Cox" - NO MARKETING NO ADVERTISING CAMPAIGNS - DISTRIBUTED AS A SERVICE TO CLIENTS (Photo by HANDOUT/Kate Cox/AFP via Getty Images)
A Texas judge ruled a pregnant woman who sued the state seeking an abortion can legally terminate her pregnancy
In a letter to three hospitals in Houston where, according to the Texas Medical Board, Cox’s physician has privileges, Paxton wrote Cox has failed to demonstrate she has a “life-threatening” medical condition related to her pregnancy or that her symptoms place her “at risk of death” or major bodily harm.


The state attorney general also warned the hospitals Thursday’s ruling “will not insulate you, or anyone else, from civil and criminal liability,” including first-degree felony prosecutions and civil penalties of at least $100,000 for each violation.

Cox sought an emergency hearing to obtain an abortion after learning her unborn baby had trisomy 18, a fatal genetic condition, and is not expected to live more than a few days outside the womb, according to the suit.


Cox, 31, has been to three different emergency rooms in the last month due to severe cramping and unidentifiable fluid leaks, according to her suit. She has had two prior caesarean surgeries – C-sections – and, the suit said, “continuing the pregnancy puts her at high risk for severe complications threatening her life and future fertility, including uterine rupture and hysterectomy.”

A ‘disregard’ for Cox’s life
Before the state’s Supreme Court weighed in, attorneys for Cox and the Center for Reproductive Rights, an abortion rights legal group representing Cox, said Paxton’s petition to block her procedure was “stunning” and showed a “disregard for Ms. Cox’s life, fertility, and the rule of law.”


“The State claims that it alone has the power to value Ms. Cox’s current nonviable pregnancy more highly than Ms. Cox’s own life and life of the future children she and her husband hope to have, regardless of Ms. Cox’s wishes for her family and the good faith advice of her medical team,” their response states.

The response goes on to say the plaintiffs agree the state Supreme Court should take urgent action, “specifically, to remind the Attorney General that he does not exist outside the systems of laws of which he is an officer, and that he must follow court orders just like the citizens he purports to serve.”

The filing also requests the state Supreme Court to reject Paxton’s threat of prosecution of the doctors and anyone else who helps facilitate the abortion.

Molly Duane, Cox’s attorney, would not say Thursday when and where Cox would be getting the abortion but said they planned to help get her the care “the fastest way” possible.
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In the total numbers of abortions how many are medically necessary?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
In the total numbers of abortions how many are medically necessary?


deflection! Irrelevant to THIS case... THIS one IS and is being prevented by a non medical professional... her doctors say this pregnancy threatens her life and future fertility... SHE WANTS to have more children and this is putting that possibility at risk...
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This is according to one doctor. Don’t mistake my post for apathy for this woman or an opinion on abortion….wasn't trying to deflect but widen a bit is all.
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This is according to one doctor. Don’t mistake my post for apathy for this woman or an opinion on abortion….wasn't trying to deflect but widen a bit is all.


So you believe a judge is more informed on the subject then that "one doctor"?

And it is not "one doctor" Cox is 20 weeks pregnant, and her fetus has trisomy 18, a deadly genetic condition. The Dallas-area mother of two has been admitted to emergency rooms four times in the past month — including one visit since the case was filed — after experiencing severe cramping and fluid leaks, attorney Molly Duane told the court Thursday.


Several doctors including her OB-GYN have advised Cox that there is "virtually no chance" her baby will survive and that carrying the pregnancy to term would make it less likely that she will be able to carry another child in the future, according to the complaint. Cox's pregnancy puts her health and fertility at risk for such problems as including gestational hypertension, gestational diabetes, uterine rupture from Caesarean section and post-operative infections, the complaint states.

Kate Cox, the plaintiff in the case, will be authorized to obtain an abortion once the temporary restraining order is signed Thursday.
More than 95% of fetuses with trisomy 18 do not survive to birth, or if they do, are likely to die within minutes or hours
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drglnc wrote:
So you believe a judge is more informed on the subject then that "one doctor"?

And it is not "one doctor" Cox is 20 weeks pregnant, and her fetus has trisomy 18, a deadly genetic condition. The Dallas-area mother of two has been admitted to emergency rooms four times in the past month — including one visit since the case was filed — after experiencing severe cramping and fluid leaks, attorney Molly Duane told the court Thursday.


Several doctors including her OB-GYN have advised Cox that there is "virtually no chance" her baby will survive and that carrying the pregnancy to term would make it less likely that she will be able to carry another child in the future, according to the complaint. Cox's pregnancy puts her health and fertility at risk for such problems as including gestational hypertension, gestational diabetes, uterine rupture from Caesarean section and post-operative infections, the complaint states.

Kate Cox, the plaintiff in the case, will be authorized to obtain an abortion once the temporary restraining order is signed Thursday.
More than 95% of fetuses with trisomy 18 do not survive to birth, or if they do, are likely to die within minutes or hours


She needs to get a Go-Fund-me for gas and hotel, head on over to Illinois, their passing out Abortions like Popsicle's, I think they even have mobile units to move around the State and keep the Christian Activists at Bay... course with these crappy roads, it will be a toss up between Abortion or total Hysterectomy with each procedure and dodging potholes!!! d'oh!
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She needs to get a Go-Fund-me for gas and hotel, head on over to Illinois, their passing out Abortions like Popsicle's, I think they even have mobile units to move around the State and keep the Christian Activists at Bay... course with these crappy roads, it will be a toss up between Abortion or total Hysterectomy with each procedure and dodging potholes!!! d'oh!



The fact that it is a realistic option and need is Gross. The women is already ill, having to go to the hospital multiple times, already depressed over the need for the abortion to begin with and now may need to resort to something like this for a medically necessary procedure... things like this will come back to bite the GOP in Texas... and possibly the country.
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Does anyone think this woman hasn't jumped through enough hoops already given that an authorized court has ruled on the facts pursuant to Texas law?
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I think it's curious that suddenly the pro-abortion movement is pleading for reasonable-ness. The main reason there were so many attacks against RvW was because the pro-abortion movement wanted to solidify 25th trimester abortions as normal and the pro-life crowd finally said "enough"...

Most Americans are in favor of "medically necessary" abortions, but you know the old saying - "Give them an inch and they take a mile..." and this is the backlash to pro-abortionist trying to take a mile.

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I think it's curious that suddenly the pro-abortion movement is pleading for reasonable-ness. The main reason there were so many attacks against RvW was because the pro-abortion movement wanted to solidify 25th trimester abortions as normal and the pro-life crowd finally said "enough"...

Most Americans are in favor of "medically necessary" abortions, but you know the old saying - "Give them an inch and they take a mile..." and this is the backlash to pro-abortionist trying to take a mile.



I think you failed math class...

i also think it is curious that Texas now doesn't even want to follow the rules they recently enacted which DOES allow for some medical abortions for which this case fits all the needs...


Currently, support for legal abortion in the first trimester runs more than 2-to-1 in favor (67% vs. 27%). A majority of Americans (55%) are generally against abortion in the second three months, while 36% think it should be legal. Americans are most unified in their views on the third trimester, with 71% saying abortion should not be legal at this stage and 20% saying it should be.


All that is irrelevant to this story though... you have politicians that could be responsible for this women's death or inability to have children in the future... what? to prove a point about some other women? it is disgusting and shameful... Pro choice is also not the same as "pro-abortion"... but you know that..
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I don't think I'll ever need an abortion
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So, are we talking about one judge, the state of Texas, or the entire GOP here..?? Think
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DrafterX wrote:
So, are we talking about one judge, the state of Texas, or the entire GOP here..?? Think


Short answer... all of the above... long answer is directly responsible are the Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, and the The Texas Supreme Court... indirectly, Every member of the GOP that has supported these laws as well as every voter that has elected these officials that have supported these laws...
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So, everyone who voted for or supported Biden is guilty of fraud and money laundering.... got it... Mellow
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So, everyone who voted for or supported Biden is guilty of fraud and money laundering.... got it... Mellow



House Republican Report Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by President Biden
After months of investigation and many public accusations of corruption against Mr. Biden and his family, the first report of the premier House G.O.P. inquiry showed no proof of such misconduct. The Republicans conceded that they had yet to find evidence of a specific corrupt action Mr. Biden took in office in connection with any of the business deals his son entered into. Instead, their presentation underscored how little headway top G.O.P. lawmakers have made in finding clear evidence of questionable transactions they can tie to Mr. Biden, their chief political rival.


Now... back to the conversation at hand instead of deflecting with idiotic nonsense... Pro choice advocates warned about this exact scenario when RvW was overturned... those that supported these laws in Texas and elsewhere said OH, NO we have provisions for those things.... except now the the Texas AG doesn't want to allow for those provisions... which could cause this women her life or the possibility of mothering more children in the future...
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Most Americans are in favor of "medically necessary" abortions, but you know the old saying - "Give them an inch and they take a mile..." and this is the backlash to pro-abortionist trying to take a mile.

Are you f'ng kidding me?
You think this woman is trying to get away with doing something wrong ("give them an inch and they take a mile")?
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drglnc wrote:
House Republican Report Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by President Biden
After months of investigation and many public accusations of corruption against Mr. Biden and his family, the first report of the premier House G.O.P. inquiry showed no proof of such misconduct.
The Republicans conceded that they had yet to find evidence of a specific corrupt action Mr. Biden took in office in connection with any of the business deals his son entered into. Instead, their presentation underscored how little headway top G.O.P. lawmakers have made in finding clear evidence of questionable transactions they can tie to Mr. Biden, their chief political rival.


Now... back to the conversation at hand instead of deflecting with idiotic nonsense... Pro choice advocates warned about this exact scenario when RvW was overturned... those that supported these laws in Texas and elsewhere said OH, NO we have provisions for those things.... except now the the Texas AG doesn't want to allow for those provisions... which could cause this women her life or the possibility of mothering more children in the future...


Do you actually believe that? I mean... really?

WOW.
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MACS wrote:
Do you actually believe that? I mean... really?

WOW.


They said it... not me... The people that claim he did things, cant find the evidence that he did things... that's on them... and for a different forum post. this one is about the Idiotic AG and by association GOP in Texas trying to cost a women her life and/or ability to have children in the future...
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rfenst wrote:
Are you f'ng kidding me?
You think this woman is trying to get away with doing something wrong ("give them an inch and they take a mile")?


my typo may be leading to confusion (I am a terrible typist)...

My passage that you quoted should have read:
"Most Americans are in favor of "medically necessary" abortions, but you know the old saying - "Give them an inch and they take a mile..." and this is the backlash to pro-abortionistS trying to take a mile.

My comment was an analysis of the macro perspective, not speaking specifically to this one woman, who is feeling the micro effect of the macro perspective.
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drglnc wrote:
They said it... not me... The people that claim he did things, cant find the evidence that he did things... that's on them... and for a different forum post. this one is about the Idiotic AG and by association GOP in Texas trying to cost a women her life and/or ability to have children in the future...


I've heard plenty of damning evidence that Joey B. is crooked as sin.Eh?

I'll reserve my opinion of the woman and the AG because my default position is the left and their Abortion Industrial Complex is evil and lies a lot. Change my mind.
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I've heard plenty of damning evidence that Joey B. is crooked as sin.Eh?

I'll reserve my opinion of the woman and the AG because my default position is the left and their Abortion Industrial Complex is evil and lies a lot. Change my mind.


Your Mind will never be changed... if the multiple doctors specific to her case and the well documented information related to trisomy 18 are not enough then nothing will ever be.
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drglnc wrote:
At the request of the Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, The Texas Supreme Court has temporarily blocked a pregnant woman from obtaining an emergency abortion in a ruling issued late Friday.

The court froze a lower court’s ruling that would have allowed Kate Cox, who sued the state seeking a court-ordered abortion, to obtain the procedure. “Without regard to the merits, the Court administratively stays the district court’s December 7, 2023 order,” the order states.

The court noted the case would remain pending before them but did not include any timeline on when a full ruling might be issued. Cox is 20 weeks pregnant. Her unborn baby was diagnosed with a fatal genetic condition and she says complications in her pregnancy are putting her health at risk.

Following the ruling, Cox’s attorney said they remain hopeful the state’s request is quickly rejected. “We are talking about urgent medical care. Kate is already 20 weeks pregnant,” said Molly Duane, an attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights. “This is why people should not need to beg for healthcare in a court of law.”

The ruling came just hours after Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton petitioned the high court to intervene in the case.

Paxton’s petition stemmed from a ruling on Thursday by a Texas judge who granted a 14-day temporary restraining order against the state’s abortion ban, so Cox could legally terminate her pregnancy.

The decision marked a significant development in the ongoing debate over the state’s medical exception to its controversial ban on abortions after six weeks – one of the strictest in the nation.

In the petition filings with the state Supreme Court, Paxton – who has threatened prosecution against anyone who helps facilitate the abortion – asked for an emergency stay of the district court judge’s ruling.

This undated handout photo provided courtesy of Kate Cox, shows Cox standing for a photo in Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas. Kate Cox, a 31-year-old mother-of-two from Dallas-Fort Worth, sued the state of Texas on December 5, 2023, in order to get an abortion for a pregnancy that she and her doctors say threatens her life and future fertility. Cox learned last week that her fetus has full trisomy 18, a condition that means her pregnancy may not survive until birth and if it does her baby would be stillborn or live for minutes, hours or days, according to the lawsuit. (Photo by HANDOUT / Kate Cox / AFP) / RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE - MANDATORY CREDIT "AFP PHOTO / Kate Cox" - NO MARKETING NO ADVERTISING CAMPAIGNS - DISTRIBUTED AS A SERVICE TO CLIENTS (Photo by HANDOUT/Kate Cox/AFP via Getty Images)
A Texas judge ruled a pregnant woman who sued the state seeking an abortion can legally terminate her pregnancy
In a letter to three hospitals in Houston where, according to the Texas Medical Board, Cox’s physician has privileges, Paxton wrote Cox has failed to demonstrate she has a “life-threatening” medical condition related to her pregnancy or that her symptoms place her “at risk of death” or major bodily harm.


The state attorney general also warned the hospitals Thursday’s ruling “will not insulate you, or anyone else, from civil and criminal liability,” including first-degree felony prosecutions and civil penalties of at least $100,000 for each violation.

Cox sought an emergency hearing to obtain an abortion after learning her unborn baby had trisomy 18, a fatal genetic condition, and is not expected to live more than a few days outside the womb, according to the suit.


Cox, 31, has been to three different emergency rooms in the last month due to severe cramping and unidentifiable fluid leaks, according to her suit. She has had two prior caesarean surgeries – C-sections – and, the suit said, “continuing the pregnancy puts her at high risk for severe complications threatening her life and future fertility, including uterine rupture and hysterectomy.

A ‘disregard’ for Cox’s life
Before the state’s Supreme Court weighed in, attorneys for Cox and the Center for Reproductive Rights, an abortion rights legal group representing Cox, said Paxton’s petition to block her procedure was “stunning” and showed a “disregard for Ms. Cox’s life, fertility, and the rule of law.”


“The State claims that it alone has the power to value Ms. Cox’s current nonviable pregnancy more highly than Ms. Cox’s own life and life of the future children she and her husband hope to have, regardless of Ms. Cox’s wishes for her family and the good faith advice of her medical team,” their response states.

The response goes on to say the plaintiffs agree the state Supreme Court should take urgent action, “specifically, to remind the Attorney General that he does not exist outside the systems of laws of which he is an officer, and that he must follow court orders just like the citizens he purports to serve.”

The filing also requests the state Supreme Court to reject Paxton’s threat of prosecution of the doctors and anyone else who helps facilitate the abortion.

Molly Duane, Cox’s attorney, would not say Thursday when and where Cox would be getting the abortion but said they planned to help get her the care “the fastest way” possible.



The argument was pretty good for murdering the child until I got to the part about, "future fertility", FFS, really?
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This was a political stunt lawsuit to try to widen the ” medical exemption “ back to abortion for convenience.
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Gene363 wrote:
The argument was pretty good for murdering the child until I got to the part about, "future fertility", FFS, really?



I have not gone to medical school so cant speak to that fully however The predicted risk of miscarriage in a future pregnancy remains about 20 percent after one miscarriage... the rate of Miscarriage's is 72–87% for T18

How T18 affects the future ability to have children specifically and if it increases that rate of 20% is for the Drs not us or the politicians... the dr in this article specifically calls out an added risk for necessary hysterotomy for this women at time of delivery if carried to term in this case...


I find it fascinating that people are willing to let politicians and judges make these determinations rather then medical professionals as if these people know more on this subject then those that actually go to med school and practice medicine for a living
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HockeyDad wrote:
This was a political stunt lawsuit to try to widen the ” medical exemption “ back to abortion for convenience.



i am curious what part of this case makes you believe that and what medical training you have that lends any validity to that claim?
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Maybe that fact that she did go to another state and we have a lawsuit?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Maybe that fact that she did go to another state and we have a lawsuit?



She had no choice but to go to another state... She waited until the day the court ruled to over ride the original allowance. most likely her lawyers had already advised her that she was going to lose the case and what do you know... that day... she did... so she went to another state and did was needed for her health based on Drs recommendations


the lawsuit seems pretty clear and needed to me... the law allows for exceptions yet, it seems those exceptions will never be granted...
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drglnc wrote:
I have not gone to medical school so cant speak to that fully however The predicted risk of miscarriage in a future pregnancy remains about 20 percent after one miscarriage... the rate of Miscarriage's is 72–87% for T18

How T18 affects the future ability to have children specifically and if it increases that rate of 20% is for the Drs not us or the politicians... the dr in this article specifically calls out an added risk for necessary hysterotomy for this women at time of delivery if carried to term in this case...


I find it fascinating that people are willing to let politicians and judges make these determinations rather then medical professionals as if these people know more on this subject then those that actually go to med school and practice medicine for a living


I find it not fascinating, but utterly astounding, that people would advocate murder as a life-saving tool.
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I find it not fascinating that people would use this poor woman to bash Trump... Mellow
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Gene363 wrote:
I find it not fascinating, but utterly astounding, that people would advocate murder as a life-saving tool.



what part of non viable fetus do you not understand?


most (at least 95%) fetuses don't survive full term due to complications from the diagnosis, so pregnancies can end in miscarriage or babies are stillborn

Of those pregnancies surviving into the third trimester, nearly 40% of babies diagnosed with Edwards syndrome (trisomy 18) don’t survive during labor, and nearly one-third of the surviving babies deliver preterm.

The survival rate varies for babies born with Edwards syndrome (trisomy 18):

Between 60% and 75% survive to their first week.
Between 20% and 40% survive to their first month.
No more than 10% survive past their first year.

so a less then .05% chance (i believe my math is correct) that the child will make it to 1 year old... and have a zero percent chance of being a functioning adult. Only 2 known cases in the world have lived to the age of 40 years old...
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DrafterX wrote:
I find it not fascinating that people would use this poor woman to bash Trump... Mellow


Poor Trump....Sad
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drglnc wrote:
what part of non viable fetus do you not understand?



He does not want to understand.

He does not think women should have rights, so he'll call it murder.
He also does not respect women in general - and thinks it's cool.
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Brewha..!! Laugh
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drglnc wrote:
what part of non viable fetus do you not understand?


most (at least 95%) fetuses don't survive full term due to complications from the diagnosis, so pregnancies can end in miscarriage or babies are stillborn

Of those pregnancies surviving into the third trimester, nearly 40% of babies diagnosed with Edwards syndrome (trisomy 18) don’t survive during labor, and nearly one-third of the surviving babies deliver preterm.

The survival rate varies for babies born with Edwards syndrome (trisomy 18):

Between 60% and 75% survive to their first week.
Between 20% and 40% survive to their first month.
No more than 10% survive past their first year.

so a less then .05% chance (i believe my math is correct) that the child will make it to 1 year old... and have a zero percent chance of being a functioning adult. Only 2 known cases in the world have lived to the age of 40 years old...


So you want death now to avoid likely, but not certain death, someetime later.
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Gene363 wrote:
So you want death now to avoid likely, but not certain death, someetime later.


I want Women and Doctors to be able to make relevant medical decisions that may potential save a life or at minimum preserve the ability to try for another child in the future when the current fetus is considered medically non viable and even IF it survives without killing the mother has a less than zero chance of ever being a functioning adult... instead of Politicians and judges making that decision...

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Gene363 wrote:
So you want death now to avoid likely, but not certain death, someetime later.


You should enter this logic in the “I’m the biggest idiot of the of the millennium” contest.
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I know someone who carried a baby with trisomy 18 to full term and delivered it. The child lived four hours. The child has a name, had a funeral, and has a grave.

It could have been aborted for convenience but was not.
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and that was her choice.
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LMAO yeah Gene is the biggest dummy 🤣

Let me ask how any of our opinions affect Texas law and the recent SCOTUS decision? And let’s not pretend this isn’t what this publicity isn’t for a reason other than a very sympathetic situation.

Was she devoid of knowledge of SCOTUS and Texas law? Did she not know from the doctors there was an issue till this late. No I’m not rereading anything.

Some of us have a natural born right that actually is enumerated specifically that people are trying to take away and I don’t get this kind of sympathy….
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ZRX1200 wrote:
LMAO yeah Gene is the biggest dummy 🤣

Let me ask how any of our opinions affect Texas law and the recent SCOTUS decision? And let’s not pretend this isn’t what this publicity isn’t for a reason other than a very sympathetic situation.

Was she devoid of knowledge of SCOTUS and Texas law? Did she not know from the doctors there was an issue till this late. No I’m not rereading anything.

Some of us have a natural born right that actually is enumerated specifically that people are trying to take away and I don’t get this kind of sympathy….


Not really sure what point you’re trying make.

The fact that this even news is ridiculous. I can think of far greater issues that are more deserving of the Texas AG’s attention.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I know someone who carried a baby with trisomy 18 to full term and delivered it. The child lived four hours. The child has a name, had a funeral, and has a grave.

It could have been aborted for convenience but was not.



I know someone that jumped from a plane with a faulty parachute and lived to tell about it... doesn't mean i or any Dr. would recommend it... See different people in similar but different circumstances should not use anecdotal evidence to make choices that could affect the rest of your life (or kill you)...
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ZRX1200 wrote:
LMAO yeah Gene is the biggest dummy 🤣

Let me ask how any of our opinions affect Texas law and the recent SCOTUS decision? And let’s not pretend this isn’t what this publicity isn’t for a reason other than a very sympathetic situation.

Was she devoid of knowledge of SCOTUS and Texas law? Did she not know from the doctors there was an issue till this late. No I’m not rereading anything.

Some of us have a natural born right that actually is enumerated specifically that people are trying to take away and I don’t get this kind of sympathy….



She was very aware, which is why she filed a request to exception for medical necessity including statements and evidence from multiple medical professionals which is PART of the Law... It was granted by a judge per the LAW... It was then halted immediately by the AG and sent to a higher court that basically said it doesn't matter what the law says, no one will ever meet the medical need unless they are actively redlining on a table...
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drglnc wrote:
I know someone that jumped from a plane with a faulty parachute and lived to tell about it... doesn't mean i or any Dr. would recommend it... See different people in similar but different circumstances should not use anecdotal evidence to make choices that could affect the rest of your life (or kill you)...


I also know someone who jumped from a plane with a faulty parachute. The rip cord came completely unattached but it did pop the chute enough.


Since this story is leaving the news cycle rapidly, let’s sum up:


Texas does not require court pre-approval for a life saving abortion.

The person from Dallas doctor-shopped to Houston to find a doctor who would sign-on to the first in the nation lawsuit and found pro-abortion lawyers. Then they sued for pre-approval.

She already left the state to get an abortion prior to the Supreme Court ruling.

Texas state law does not recognize the right to an abortion of convenience after 6 weeks of pregnancy if the fetus has a high likelihood of being handicapped or have undesirable traits or just be impactful on resources and climate change. Plenty of states do.

This is the first of many lawsuits to attempt to reinstate abortion on demand.
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Wow.. just Wow... Mellow
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#45 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Wow.. just Wow... Mellow


It is outrageous.
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#46 Posted:
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It is.... they should apologize to Trump... Mellow
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is outrageous.



Preach on!
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#48 Posted:
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Thanks HD for reaffirming that the left and their Abortion Industrial Complex is evil and lies a lot.
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RayR wrote:
Thanks HD for reaffirming that the left and their Abortion Industrial Complex is evil and lies a lot.


…sometimes you gotta break a few eggs…err…well you know.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I also know someone who jumped from a plane with a faulty parachute. The rip cord came completely unattached but it did pop the chute enough.


Since this story is leaving the news cycle rapidly, let’s sum up:


Texas does not require court pre-approval for a life saving abortion.


While technically true, if they disagree that it was "Necessary" they can then arrest, fine, sue, whatever the he Dr, Hospital, person that drove her , the neighbor three doors down that picked up her mail because she was in the hospital that day and probably the cleaning crew that emptied the trash in her recovery room...

HockeyDad wrote:
The person from Dallas doctor-shopped to Houston to find a doctor who would sign-on to the first in the nation lawsuit and found pro-abortion lawyers. Then they sued for pre-approval.


Yea, she was forced to look for Doctors willing to help that were not afraid of being punished after the fact... Texas doctors accused of violating the state’s abortion law face up to $100,000 in fines or even life in prison. so if the judge with no medical degree decides after the fact that it was not "necessary" they loose everything...

HockeyDad wrote:
She already left the state to get an abortion prior to the Supreme Court ruling.


She left the day of the ruling most likely because she was told by lawyers that either A she was going to lose the court ruling or B that they didn't know how long it would take to get the ruling
and if the doctors are telling her that the longer she waits the more risk she has then of course she decided to go elsewhere. luckily she had that ability and means...


All this to distract from the point that Judges and politicians should not be making medical decisions that are between a grown women and her Doctors... Its not like she woke up and decided she didn't want the Baby... she had multiple emergencies related to the pregnancy. Her Doctors informed her that there was virtually no chance that their baby would survive to birth and continuing the pregnancy would pose grave risks to her life as well as jeopardize her future fertility. Why is a judge making decisions based on this and not the doctor. it is ridiculous.

How would you all feel if after multiple hospitalizations your wife's doctor said this pregnancy is not viable and will possibly kill you and ruin your chances at future pregnancy, then your told by a judge... If you die... You die... the fetus that is most likely going to die with in days of birth (only a 5% chance you even get that far) and has less then zero expectation of any quality life is more important then you?

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