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Haley vs. Trump vs. Biden
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She beats the President by 17 in the latest WSJ poll. Trump wins by 4.


WSJ

Democrats have assisted Donald Trump’s campaign for the GOP presidential nomination in so many ways that it’s hard to keep track. There are the four indictments, the legacy of mistrust from the failed Russia collusion lie from 2016, and the great Biden inflation. But most helpful is how Democrats have undermined the argument that Mr. Trump can’t defeat President Biden.

The he-can’t-win case was strong after Mr. Trump led the GOP to defeat in elections in 2018, 2020, the 2021 Georgia Senate races, and again in 2022 with disappointing gains in the House and defeat in the Senate. This is one reason Ron DeSantis surged in the polls in early 2023 after his big victory in the Florida Governor’s race. Most polls at the time showed Mr. Trump losing to Mr. Biden in a rematch, while other Republicans ran ahead or at least closer.

But Mr. Biden has become so unpopular that Mr. Trump is now leading the President in most head-to-head surveys. In the latest WSJ poll published on the weekend, Mr. Trump is leading Mr. Biden 47%-43% nationwide. Mr. Biden led 45%-43% last December.

This is despite the poll’s finding that Mr. Trump’s unfavorability rating is 56%. Mr. Biden’s is higher at 61%. Most voters in both parties don’t think Mr. Biden is up to the job of President for another four years.

But the WSJ survey also asked voters about their preference if the GOP nominee were Mr. DeSantis, or former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley. Mr. DeSantis was tied with Mr. Biden at 45%. Ms. Haley blew the President away 51%-34%. Ms. Haley consistently beats Mr. Biden by more than Mr. Trump does—often a lot more.

Polls taken 11 months from Election Day are hardly definitive, but their timing as voting begins in the primaries is a huge benefit to Mr. Trump. They mask his vulnerabilities that could reappear once he’s campaigning every day before the voters. And they let GOP voters believe that those vulnerabilities don’t matter.

If Mr. Trump gets the GOP nomination, he will owe a great debt to Democrats for insisting on Mr. Biden as their nominee.

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When her family needed money, Nikki Haley found a lucrative path

The candidate’s public policy positions — hawkish and pro-business — created well-paid private opportunities when she abruptly resigned from government in 2018


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Nikki Haley was representing the United States on the world stage, as President Donald Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, when something closer to home intervened in 2017: a property dispute back in South Carolina.

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Bankers were foreclosing on her parents’ lake house, and they were having trouble tracking down the family. They tried the house itself, on the shores of picturesque Lake Murray, as well as Haley’s home in a suburb of Columbia. She was initially named as a defendant in the action.

In vain, they went to Haley’s workplace: the headquarters of the U.S. mission to the United Nations in New York.

“Denied access by U.N. security,” a process server scrawled on an affidavit filed in January 2018.

The foreclosure action, initiated even as Haley served in the highest echelons of government, illustrates the financial pressure she faced as her family’s primary breadwinner during her last stint in public service, which ended when she abruptly quit government later that year and entered the private sector.

In short order, she improved her financial position dramatically, making millions from private consulting, paid speeches and spots on corporate boards. She quickly extricated herself from the lake house proceedings and, in 2019, purchased a $2.4 million property on Kiawah Island — a gated community near Charleston — with arched porticos, columns, balconies and stone balustrades.

Haley’s finances are under a spotlight as she seeks a return to public life, this time as president. A financial disclosure she submitted earlier this year, as required for candidates, shows how she followed a well-worn path to wealth: trading on her government experience, both as U.N. ambassador and, before that, as governor of South Carolina.

The public profile Haley, 51, cultivated as a Republican official — melding deregulatory policies with interventionist and adamantly pro-Israel positions — created lucrative private opportunities. In an 11-month period ending January 2023, she earned about $2.5 million from paid speeches alone, delivered to banks, other businesses and advocacy groups, according to her disclosure. That’s more than she earned in combined salary during the eight years she spent as governor and then a presidential Cabinet member.

Numerous candidates in the GOP field are well-off, including Trump, who also has received generous payments for speeches since leaving office. The specific sources of Haley’s wealth highlight her ties to traditional Republican interests, namely big business and muscular foreign policy. This is political fodder for her opponents, as tides of populism and isolationism rip through the party. At a recent debate, the entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy criticized her for giving “foreign multinational speeches like Hillary Clinton.”

In response to questions about Haley’s finances, her campaign said in a statement: “These are old claims answered long ago and re-upped by the liberal media because Nikki is surging. Democrats fear Nikki the most because poll after poll shows she would trounce Joe Biden in a head-to-head matchup.”

A Haley spokesperson said the campaign does not have transcripts of Haley’s paid speeches because most took the form of question-and-answer sessions. Haley also has not released her recent tax returns. The spokesperson said she intends to but did not respond to questions about when.

In 2016, Haley condemned Trump for withholding such documents. “Donald Trump, show us your tax returns!” she said at the time. And she took a swipe at Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president, who had come under criticism for refusing to reveal the contents of her paid speeches. “We have two presidential candidates that refuse to disclose information: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump,” she said.

Haley’s reversal of fortune sheds light on inconsistencies between her public posturing and personal finances. She has touted her background in accounting yet faced penalties for failing to pay taxes on time, according to state records and news reports. She has demanded transparency from political adversaries yet veiled some aspects of her own sudden wealth while not always maintaining bright lines between her public role and private life.

After she left the U.N., government investigators found that seven private flights she had accepted while in office risked the “appearance of a conflict of interest,” though they did not violate executive branch gift rules, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post. The finding has not previously been reported.

Longtime associates say Haley’s finances are bound up with her family story. After watching her immigrant parents work nonstop, and supporting them financially when they stumbled, she resolved to use her stature and relationships to make sure she was on firmer footing.

“She rubbed shoulders with many of these corporate folks, and she took that and decided to monetize it, because that’s what people in government who are popular do,” said Hal Stevenson, a South Carolina businessman and former board member of a nonprofit founded by Haley. “I think she had this sense of, ‘I’ve got this window to make some money and take care of my kids.’”

Haley the accountant
As she rose politically, Haley often emphasized her background as an accountant.

She traces her financial acumen to her teenage years, when she prepared the taxes and wrote checks for her mother’s business in Bamberg, a small city southeast of Columbia where Haley’s parents, immigrants from India, settled in the late 1960s.

“I developed a huge love of numbers,” she wrote of her work at the business in a 2012 autobiography. “When the store’s books were off by two cents, I loved finding those two cents.”

She studied accounting at Clemson University and worked for a recycling company in Charlotte before returning to the family business, called Exotica International, a gift shop that grew into an international clothing emporium. Haley wrote That she handled accounting, budgeting, marketing and sales reports for the burgeoning operation, which, according to promotional materials for the business, eventually relocated to a 10,000-square-foot facility in Columbia, the state capital. Her husband, Michael Haley, worked as the menswear manager for a time.

Exotica International closed its doors in 2008. But it became a headache for Haley during her first bid for governor of South Carolina, in 2010. Records show the company was penalized on numerous occasions for failing to pay taxes.

When the tax delinquencies came to light, Haley blamed the tax system and vowed to simplify it as governor. Years after the company’s closure, however, it was still facing fines for tax problems, according to a lien filed in 2013. Haley and her husband also faced fines for paying their own taxes late, at least twice filing more than 14 months behind schedule, according to records she released during the 2010 campaign.

The pattern provided fodder to her Democratic opponent, Vincent Sheheen, whose campaign argued, “Every time she touches a balance sheet, she leaves behind a trail of tax liens and penalties.” Haley acknowledged the penalties at the time, saying, “We saw incomes ups and downs.”

The issue didn’t sway voters, who elected Haley in 2010 and reelected her four years later. In the governor’s office, she cultivated a pro-business reputation, welcoming a wide range of industry, including a Singaporean tire company and a Chinese fiberglass company, to South Carolina. In 2013, she championed $120 million in taxpayer-backed incentives to help aerospace giant Boeing expand in North Charleston.

She continued to live relatively modestly by the standards of a state’s chief executive. She and her husband, a businessman and Army National Guardsman, made just under $200,000 in 2014, including her state salary of about $106,000, according to tax returns released in line with gubernatorial custom. Their income fell the following year to about $170,000, as Haley’s husband transitioned to a part-time role with the reserve force. They had two teenage children.

In 2016, Trump chose her as his U.N. ambassador, which came as a surprise, according to Haley. In her 2019 memoir, she recalls telling the president-elect’s team, “I don’t even know what the United Nations does!”

‘Appearance of a conflict'
Haley moved to New York and soon learned that life at the U.N. demanded a tight schedule. So for trips back home to South Carolina, she sometimes leaned on affluent friends.

Among those friends was Jimmy Gibbs, whose industrial machinery and commercial real estate business provided a plane for Haley and her husband four times in 2017, according to a financial disclosure form she filed as a top executive branch official.

The following year, Gibbs met with Haley’s chief of staff and other U.S. officials to discuss how his company “could help at the U.N. and in other countries,” according to a previously unreported probe into the flights by the State Department’s Office of Inspector General in 2019.

Soon after the meeting, Gibbs’s company was placed on a State Department list of entities seeking to do business with the government, the probe found. The inspector general’s report found that Haley learned of Gibbs’s planned session with her staff the day before it took place.

The events concerned ethics officials, according to the report. Upon learning of the meeting, one official wrote in an email that “these interactions call into question whether the gift was given based on a personal friendship rather than because of Ambassador Haley’s position and the opportunity for access at USUN,” referring to the U.S. mission to the United Nations.

Haley told the inspector general’s office that her staff had consulted with the State Department’s Office of the Legal Adviser before accepting the flights. Other officials clarified that approval had only been sought for the first flight, not the subsequent ones.

The inspector general’s office found that Haley had not violated the government’s gift regulations because she had shown that Gibbs and others who had bestowed flights were her personal friends. Federal rules permit gifts from family and friends but state that employees should decline if “a reasonable person with knowledge of the relevant facts would question the employee’s integrity.”

The inspector general’s office concluded that if Haley were still serving, the office would advise against accepting similar flights “to prevent the appearance of a conflict of interest,” especially given that Gibbs’s company sought to do business with the department.

Haley’s campaign responded to questions about the flights by stating that “no policy was violated.” Gibbs did not respond to a request for comment.

The flights he provided brought Haley to South Carolina for various reasons. In June 2017, she sat for an interview about the 2015 shooting at a historic Black church in Charleston. In November, she attended a Clemson football game.

Helping her parents
The same month as the football game, Haley had another reason to turn her gaze back home to South Carolina: Bank of America was beginning foreclosure proceedings on her parents’ lake house in Lexington, a suburb of Columbia.

Haley and her husband were named as defendants in the suit because the property was used as collateral when the couple loaned Haley’s parents $400,000 several years earlier.

In mid-November, the bank attempted to deliver court papers at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, according to an affidavit submitted the following January. By June 2018, Haley and her husband had relinquished interest in the house and were removed as defendants. The court ordered a sale of the property the following spring.

Meanwhile, a complex set of transactions allowed Haley and her husband to take other steps to help her parents financially. That included purchasing the strip mall that once housed the family clothing business — for $5 and “love and affection,” even though more than $1 million of debt came with the property — and then selling it off to a local real estate developer, deeds and other records show.

In response to questions about family property, a Haley spokesperson said only, “This has been litigated repeatedly.”

“There were financial troubles toward the end,” said Stevenson, the South Carolina businessman and longtime Haley associate, who got to know the family when he arranged advertising for their company in its early days. Haley, he said, “was there to support her parents.”

Haley and her husband were hardly flush with cash. A financial disclosure she filed in her final year at the U.N. in 2018 shows they had as much as $65,000 in credit card debt and two mortgages totaling about $1.5 million, along with a line of credit of between $250,000 and $500,000. Haley was earning less than $200,000 as U.N. ambassador, and her husband was making no more than $100,000 from his company, Ikor Systems, according to the filing.

Because the figures are disclosed in ranges, a more detailed analysis of Haley’s finances is not possible.

But not long after, Haley made sudden changes that allowed her to increase her earnings. In October 2018, she announced that she would leave government at the end of the year.

In her resignation letter, she addressed Trump “as a businessman” and told him, “I expect you will appreciate my sense that returning from government to the private sector is not a step down but a step up.”

The private sector proved lucrative for Haley.

She quickly joined the board of Boeing, earning more than $250,000 in fees and stock awards in 2019, according to a company filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. At the time of Haley’s selection, Boeing’s chairman and chief executive praised her “outstanding record of achievement in government."

A person who served on the board with her, and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private corporate matters, said she was a valuable asset not only because of her support for Boeing when she was governor of South Carolina but also because of her time at the United Nations. The aerospace manufacturer generates 80 percent of its commercial airplane revenue overseas.

Haley quit the board in the spring of 2020, as the coronavirus began to send shocks through the economy. In a letter to company leaders included in a regulatory filing, Haley, who seven years earlier had granted generous bond money to Boeing for its expansion in South Carolina, said she disagreed with the company’s “move to lean on the federal government for a stimulus or bailout that prioritizes our company over others and relies on taxpayers to guarantee our financial position.”

The company had issued a statement advocating government support for the aerospace industry, though it ended up not seeking a bailout.

Haley soon found other opportunities, joining the board of Great Southern Homes, a major home builder in the Southeast. And she began advising a venture fund called Prism Global Management. The fund has no website and indicated on an SEC filing that its principal place of business is a private residence. But it paid Haley more than $700,000 in 2022 and the first part of this year, according to Haley’s candidate disclosure.

A notice about Prism Global’s launch, in an email newsletter devoted to hedge fund activity, said the fund was expected to begin trading with about $1 billion, focusing on technology, media and communications in the United States and abroad. A person who has worked with Prism’s founder and chief executive, investor Richard Kang, said the fund’s goal is to finance companies that compete with China, lessening its influence. A spokesman for Prism Global confirmed these details.

On her disclosure, Haley described herself as a “senior advisor” to the fund. When an attendee at a recent town hall in Iowa asked her about that work, she touted her experience in foreign affairs. “And so what they do is they ask me anything that’s going on, for example, they’ll ask me what’s going on in the Middle East,” she said. "Or they’ll ask me what I think about China. The big thing with Prism Global is they want to make sure that companies stop investing in China.”

Haley has traveled widely in recent months sharing her thoughts with global audiences. She delivered a dozen speeches between March 2022 and January 2023 for which she was generally paid $185,000 per engagement, according to her candidate disclosure.

But her fees sometimes went higher, including the $346,000 she earned from the Mount Scopus College Foundation, which funds a Jewish day school in Melbourne, Australia. The foundation’s CEO did not respond to a request for comment, but its website states that, during Haley’s visit last year, she “answered students’ questions on topics ranging from her work at the U.N., leadership advice to young women, and the war in Ukraine, to her time as a member of President Trump’s cabinet.”

Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley answers questions from Iowans before the January caucuses during a town hall gathering at Manning Ag Service in Waukee, Iowa, on Dec. 10, 2023. (Melina Mara/The Washington Post)
Haley’s staunch defense of Israel at the United Nations has made her a popular guest for pro-Israel groups. Shimon Fogel, chief executive of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs in Canada, said she spoke about global affairs and confronting antisemitism in an appearance last December, which earned her $230,000.

“She is much admired in the Jewish community for obvious reasons — and not in an especially partisan way,” Fogel added. “For us, it was a very worthwhile initiative.”

Other common audiences include banks, in locations as disparate as Chicago and Singapore, and health care, industrial and aerospace companies throughout the United States. She twice addressed subsidiaries of Barclays, the British banking giant. A bank spokesman declined to comment.

Haley didn’t accept an honorarium for all appearances. She waived the speaker’s fee when she was the guest of honor a 2019 gala hosted by UN Watch, a monitoring group that’s often critical of the United Nations, including for what it sees as anti-Israel bias within the organization.

Instead, an American branch of the watchdog group made a $50,000 donation to a charity of Haley’s choice, and she opted for her own nonprofit, called the Original Six Foundation, according to a UN Watch spokesman. Formed by Haley in 2011, the Original Six Foundation took its name from the original six members of Haley’s family: her parents, Ajit and Raj Randhawa, and their four children. As a nonprofit, the group isn’t required to disclose its donors, but has sometimes thanked individual sponsors, such as Boeing.

According to tax filings, the foundation’s goal is to improve rural education and after-school programs in South Carolina. But during her time at the United Nations, its fundraising dwindled to less than $100,000. It has since rebounded to more than $500,000 in annual revenue, just as Haley’s personal fortune has increased.

The insights Haley gained on the world stage have a high market value, said Patrick McKinney, a former real estate developer on South Carolina’s Kiawah Island who has known Haley since her 2010 gubernatorial campaign and once served on her foundation’s board.

“People want to understand things from her perspective,” he said. “And they’re willing to pay for it.”
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Ramaswamy: Former Gov. Nikki Haley is 'corrupt' | NewsNation GOP Debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwWQj4n6A8M


Not shure about the pot calling the kettle, you know...

Matt Kim looks into Ramaswamy:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwYBtztpFqd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

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Gene363 wrote:
Ramaswamy: Former Gov. Nikki Haley is 'corrupt' | NewsNation GOP Debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwWQj4n6A8M


Not shure about the pot calling the kettle, you know...

Matt Kim looks into Ramaswamy:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwYBtztpFqd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D


There should be a period of time where they cannot lobby, consult or sit on boards of directors and/or their should be narrower limits on what they are allowed to do to earn money after service.

On the other hand, they do have something to offer by sitting on boards, speeches, lobbying and consulting. But, it should never be privileged/secret/government non-public information. How does that get enforced?

Don't like either.
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She’s a perfect candidate for the establishment to push on milk toast mayonnaise voter who have been conditioned to crave modern status quo.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
She’s a perfect candidate for the establishment to push on milk toast mayonnaise voter who have been conditioned to crave modern status quo.


Klaus Schwab's beotch.
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What I’d like to know, is how she got my phone number. QUIT TEXTING ME NIKKI!! Brick wall
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dkeage wrote:
What I’d like to know, is how she got my phone number. QUIT TEXTING ME NIKKI!! Brick wall


It took several "STOP" messages to several numbers to get rid of them....

Mother Fu..... I just got another one addressed to my wife on my cell phone. ram27bat
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rfenst wrote:
There should be a period of time where they cannot lobby, consult or sit on boards of directors and/or their should be narrower limits on what they are allowed to do to earn money after service.

On the other hand, they do have something to offer by sitting on boards, speeches, lobbying and consulting. But, it should never be privileged/secret/government non-public information. How does that get enforced?

Don't like either.


Agre!
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Haley is certainly capable


InsideSources.com

In a few weeks, the 2024 election season will officially commence when the Iowa caucuses take place. As of now, former President Donald Trump has a commanding lead in the Hawkeye State polls. However, Nikki Haley, the former U.N. ambassador and South Carolina governor, remains a viable candidate and definitely can beat President Joe Biden in November.

Based on the Real Clear Politics Average, Haley is beating Biden by 5.8%. By contrast, Trump holds a slim 2.2% edge over the president. Moreover, Haley’s “favorable” versus “unfavorable” spread of minus 0.7% is the slimmest among all of the candidates left in the race. For context, Biden has a minus 15.8% spread, Trump boasts a minus 15.2% spread, and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has a minus 14.2% spread.

Polling aside, Haley’s strong record as the governor of South Carolina demonstrates she has the domestic policy chops to be a successful president, especially given the problems the nation is facing.

Haley is a fiscal hawk who has criticized Republicans and Democrats for running trillion-dollar deficits in recent years. On the campaign trail, she has vowed to end profligate federal spending, which she rightfully points out is akin to generational theft. To stop the spending and borrowing madness, Haley promised to implement commonsense spending reforms such as reducing the federal budget back to pre-pandemic levels. Moreover, her record as governor from 2011 to 2017 shows she has the experience necessary to turn around a sinking economic ship.

On other issues at the top of voters’ list of concerns, Haley also has a track record of success. As governor, she was a vocal proponent of school choice, Second Amendment rights, a strong and secure Southern border, ethics reforms, increased transparency, election integrity, and federalism.

Haley also has ample foreign policy experience as a former ambassador to the United Nations. While serving in this significant position, she took a hard-line stance on adversarial nations, implemented many long-overdue reforms to the U.N., defended U.S. allies like Israel and was a consistent advocate for human rights.

Haley is also a leader who is unafraid to ruffle feathers and stand up for her beliefs. Her response to the tragic shooting in which a white supremacist killed nine Black people at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston in 2015 proves she can unite people during a time of crisis.

Of course, this is not to say that Haley is flawless. In fact, I do not agree with her 100% of the time on all policy issues. However, as a former resident of South Carolina who lived in the state during her time as governor, I know that she is a leader capable of finding common ground and bringing people together.

As we approach the 2024 election, it is evident that our nation is more divided than at any point in recent history. Under these circumstances, it is imperative that our next president be someone who can overcome our political and cultural differences. Yet, this is far easier said than done.

Unfortunately, too many recent presidents have failed to unite the country. When Biden took the oath of office, he promised to put partisan differences aside and govern as a moderate. To date, he has failed to fulfill this promise. Likewise, Trump was incapable of uniting the country.

The United States is in a precarious position. The American people are struggling to make ends meet, the southern border is wide open, crime is rising, the fentanyl epidemic is getting worse and it seems as if the world is on fire.
We need a firm but compassionate leader. We need someone who can overcome our differences. And we need someone who can solve our pressing problems.

Maybe Nikki Haley is the right person for this job. Maybe she isn’t. But she indeed is more than capable of becoming the 47th president of the United States.

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Nikki, they hardly know you


InsideSources.com

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Nikki Haley had been forewarned that the Lexington County, South Carolina, Republican power brokers who she was about to meet were backing her primary opponent, South Carolina’s longest-serving GOP state representative.

But Haley — brilliant white smile, jet black hair and eager, outstretched hand — was unfazed. She emerged from the meeting, as it later was recounted, with a contribution from each of the party grandees.

As those Republican leaders found out — and as the GOP voters of Iowa and New Hampshire now know — Haley, who later was South Carolina governor and U.N. ambassador, is a brilliant retail politician.

She is also a grifter — albeit minor league compared to Donald Trump and his family, and, Republicans argue, the family of President Joe Biden — with a ferocious temper who can be vindictive. Her relationship with the truth is occasionally suspect as well.

Politically, Haley is a shape-shifter.

A grifter? Consider:

After her election to the state House, Haley, whose finances were tenuous, landed a $110,000-a-year job with the Lexington Medical Center Foundation, an arm of a metro Columbia hospital. (Haley’s 2008 job application said she made $125,000 a year. In reality, she was making a fifth of that amount.) At the foundation, Haley, a state House appropriator, raised funds from lobbyists and companies, including payday lenders, with business before the state. She also engaged, at least once, in vote counting on legislation of huge importance to Lexington Medical, a 2008 bill to allow it to expand its lucrative heart procedures.

While a state representative, Haley also landed a then-unknown consulting contract — paying $48,000 — with the now-defunct Wilbur Smith Associates engineering firm. When asked why Haley had been hired, a company official said: “Her contacts,” adding her “passive position” landed no new business for the firm.

As a presidential candidate, Haley has won plaudits for her nuanced position on abortion, saying she will lead the country to consensus.

As governor, however, Haley was combative, not a consensus builder. For example, she issued report cards for members of the GOP-controlled House and the majority Republican state Senate in 2011. Their grades were based on whether the legislators voted for her agenda. If not, she openly backed her fellow Republicans’ primary opponents in several races. Similarly, as the U.N. ambassador, Haley vowed to “take names” of countries that opposed U.S. positions.

While governor, she also used a press conference to explode at a reporter for The (Columbia) State newspaper after a 2012 story about the state government’s youngest employee, Haley’s then-14-year-old daughter. Haley’s fury was so wincingly over the top that the wife of another Republican officeholder called the reporter’s editor. She said neither she nor her husband wanted to be associated with Haley’s tirade.

Haley says that, as governor, she took the Confederate flag off the state House grounds. But running for re-election in 2014, she told a televised debate the flag was not an issue. Immediately after the 2015 Emanuel AME Church massacre, she again said the flag was not an issue. Only days later, Haley reversed field, saying the flag should come down, encouraging the legislature — which had the power to remove the flag, not her — to take it down.

Haley is for lower taxes, smaller government and a muscular U.S. foreign policy.

But Haley’s politics can swing like an ambitious weather vane.

Consider her relationship with Trump. Before the 2016 South Carolina GOP primary, Haley endorsed Sen. Marco Rubio.

When Rubio faltered, she endorsed Sen. Ted Cruz.

Then, stunningly, she joined the Trump administration.

After the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, Haley blistered Trump, saying the insurrection had ruined his legacy. Later, she said she would not run against him. Then, she entered the race. Then, in the primary’s first debate, Haley said she would support Trump if he were the Republican nominee. Now, she says Trump was the right president in 2016, but not now.

According to polls, most Republican voters don’t agree. Despite the Haley boomlet, voters favor Trump, even in South Carolina.

But Haley will be back in 2028 — her real goal, I suspect — assuming the then-occupant of the White House — whether Trump or Biden — is willing to leave.
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Surging Haley makes move in Iowa
Super PAC tries to cement her as the Trump alternative

New York Times

AMES, Iowa — Tyler Raygor rapped on the door of a gray, one-story house in a neighborhood in northern Ames, Iowa, and waited until a man in a hoodie and jeans appeared before launching into his pitch.

The man, Mike Morton, said he was leaning toward voting for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis or former President Donald Trump in next month’s caucuses. But had Morton considered Nikki Haley, the former governor of South Carolina? No, Morton admitted, he hadn’t given her much thought.

Raygor, the state director for Americans for Prosperity Action, a super political action committee supporting Haley, pointed to a recent poll showing Haley with a large lead over President Joe Biden in a general election matchup, and highlighted her time serving as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. He then handed Morton a Haley campaign flyer. The pitch had an effect: Morton, 54, said he “definitely will look closer at Haley.”

“If you didn’t come to my house,” he added, “I probably would overlook her a little bit more.”

With just under a month to go before January’s caucuses, Haley’s campaign — along with Americans for Prosperity Action — aims to capitalize on the momentum that her presidential bid has gained in recent months by reaching persuadable voters and firmly establishing her as the chief alternative to Trump for the Republican nomination.

And while her campaign’s efforts have yielded better polling results in other early voting states, including New Hampshire and South Carolina, she now sees a chance to secure a better-than-expected finish in Iowa.

“It’s ground game,” she told The Des Moines Register last week. “We’re making sure that every area is covered.”

Haley received an 11th-hour boost last month with the endorsement of Americans for Prosperity Action, a deep-pocketed organization founded by the billionaire industrialist brothers Charles and David Koch. That backing unlocked access to donors and infused her bare-bones campaign with funds for television spots and mail advertisements. (Under federal law, Haley’s campaign and the organization cannot coordinate, but the super PAC can support her with advertising, messaging and voter engagement.)

In Iowa, where Haley had ceded ground to her better-funded rivals for most of the race, the AFP Action apparatus has whirred to life, deploying its network of volunteers and staff members like Raygor across the state to knock on doors and change minds.

The super PAC has enlisted about 150 volunteer and part-time staff members to canvass the state, and it aims to knock on 100,000 doors before the caucuses, said Drew Klein, a senior adviser with AFP Action. It has spent more than $5.7 million on pro-Haley advertisements and canvassing efforts nationwide since endorsing her, and it had more than $74 million on hand as of July, according to the most recent financial filings with the Federal Election Commission.

Both Haley and DeSantis are fighting for a pool of undecided voters that could be dwindling as Trump maintains his dominant lead. A Des Moines Register/NBC News/Mediacom poll this month found that Trump was the top choice for 51% of Republicans likely to caucus, up from 43% in October.

Jimmy Centers, a Republican strategist in Iowa who is unaligned in the race, said AFP Action’s endorsement, and its boots-on-the-ground operation, could be the “missing link” for Haley. But he added that the group was up against a ticking clock.
“The open question here in Iowa is: Did Ambassador Haley peak about 30 days too soon, where she is already taking arrows and AFP doesn’t have time to catch up?” Centers said.

The super PAC argues its push is arriving at the right time because many people are just beginning to pay attention to the race for the Republican nomination.

But Raygor’s recent swing through Ames illustrated the difficulty of a last-minute push. Of the six Republican voters who spoke with Raygor, one was already a Haley supporter and two said they were persuadable. The other three were firmly caucusing for either Trump or Vivek Ramaswamy and could not be swayed.

“You’re not going to get me off of Trump, ever,” said Barbara Novak, dismissing Raygor’s best efforts as her bulldog barked at him from the window. “He did everything he said he was going to.”

A recent trek through a neighborhood in Cedar Rapids was even less fruitful. Cheryl Jontz, 60, and Kyla Higgins, 18, two part-time AFP Action staff members, split up to proselytize for Haley. But few people seemed interested in answering their doors in the freezing morning temperatures, and those who did mostly said they would be backing Trump.

Higgins did reach one somewhat open-minded voter: Lisa Andersen, 52, who said she was leaning toward DeSantis or Trump, but that she would be willing to consider Haley if the former president’s legal troubles caught up to him.
“If Trump is in an orange jumpsuit, you have to make a different decision,” she said.
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#13 Posted:
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Look, if you want more wars...don't vote for Trump.

Want more illegal immigrants? Don't vote for Trump.

Want more govt. mandates? Don't vote for Trump.

Want more Middle East instability? Don't vote for Trump.

Want to be oil dependent on OPEC? Don't vote for Trump.

Want to live in economic uncertainty? Don't vote for Trump.

Haley has the same backers as Biden. Are you awake yet?
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#14 Posted:
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Haley is Hillary Clinton in a dress.

The nation is moving there steps left, one step right. She could qualify as a one step right candidate compared to Biden. That would be a good set up for the Gavin Newsom presidency in 2028.
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Haley Endorsement Marks Presidential Return of Koch Donor Network

The powerful network took a diminished role after opposing the rise of Trump.



WSJ

The billionaire Koch family and its network of like-minded donors are tiptoeing back into presidential politics, putting money behind their opposition to former President Donald Trump and backing an alternative candidate in the 2024 Republican primary, Nikki Haley.

So far, it hasn’t committed a lot of money to its play, which is seen by some as a long-shot bid to reassert influence in a party dominated by Trump and as a way to appease donors who want to be more politically active.

The $5.7 million in support of the former South Carolina governor, in addition to $18 million in anti-Trump ads and mail, is a small fraction of the money pouring into a primary that has already cost $200 million in advertising alone, according to AdImpact, a company that tracks political ads. It is also a far cry from the nearly $1 billion Koch donors planned to spend on politics and policy efforts during the 2016 presidential race, before Trump burst onto the scene.

The Koch network was once a dominant player within the Republican Party, feared by Democrats and able to push GOP politics to the right. It has been destabilized in the Trump years, with divisions regarding its opposition to the former president, its rebranding efforts as bipartisan and its endorsements. Many donors and activists left after growing uncomfortable with some of its recent causes, including advocating for criminal-justice reform. The network has brought on new donors who aren’t as driven by partisan politics.

“For right or wrong, Koch tried to lead by saying here’s what we care about, but it wasn’t aligned with what the grassroots wanted to do. They are not aligned with the people they need: their troops,” said Frayda Levin, a former board member of Americans for Prosperity, the most politically active of the Koch-funded groups.

Emily Seidel, chief executive of Americans for Prosperity, said Trump hasn’t affected the Koch network’s mission. “AFP is a policy-first organization, and we don’t go away in between election cycles,” she said. In endorsing Haley, the group praised her ability to lead the nation forward.

Seidel declined to say how much the Koch network planned to spend backing Haley. She said the group has added 120 volunteers since announcing its Haley endorsement and that they have already reached out to 350,000 voters in early primary states.

Bill Riggs, an Americans for Prosperity spokesman, said the group has had more volunteers this year than in any of the previous three election cycles. But tax documents for the nonprofit show a drop in volunteers advocating for conservative policies, from its peak of 20,000 in 2014 to 1,814 last year. Riggs attributed the decreasing volunteer numbers to the group’s aggressive hiring of them as contract employees.

Much of the Koch network’s overall budget is captured by a nonprofit called Stand Together Chamber of Commerce, which raised $275 million in 2022, according to tax documents filed last month. As a nonprofit, Stand Together isn’t legally required to disclose its donors.

It funds other nonprofits, including Americans for Prosperity, as well as AFP’s political-action committee, which reports donors to the Federal Election Commission. That PAC had raised nearly $78 million for the 2024 election by the end of June, including $25 million from Koch Industries.

Charles and David Koch, who made their fortunes at Koch Industries, a multinational conglomerate based in Kansas that their father founded, began getting involved in Republican politics during the administration of Republican President George W. Bush, prompted by opposition to his increases in social spending.

They began meeting with other conservative and libertarian donors twice a year at “policy seminars” in luxury locations such as Palm Springs that featured appearances from rising GOP stars.

Koch money helped bankroll the antitax, small government movement known as the Tea Party and fought the passage of the Obama administration’s Affordable Care Act, which expanded healthcare coverage. Having lost that battle, it spent years and more than $200 million unsuccessfully calling for its repeal.

The Koch network is still a force in Senate and House races, but it has yet to become a major player in presidential elections.

In the 2012 contest, the network invested $400 million on politics and policy advocacy as it tried unsuccessfully to help GOP nominee Mitt Romney, now a Utah senator, topple former President Barack Obama. The nearly $1 billion that Koch donors planned to spend leading up to the 2016 election dropped to $250 million after the rise of the former New York businessman.

David Koch, who was the more politically active brother and once ran for vice president on the Libertarian ticket, died in 2019. Charles Koch, 88 years old, has taken a step back from political work and publicly said he regrets his partisanship. A representative for Koch Industries declined to make Koch available.

Chart Westcott, a Koch network donor, pointed to the irony in a group founded to oppose Bush’s policies now backing a more traditional Republican, in the mold of Bush. “The Republican Party is no longer your grandpa’s Republican Party,” he said, and the Koch network is now “more establishment. It feels weird to come kind of full circle.”

The Koch network wasn’t always a fan of Haley.

Americans for Prosperity spent money against her while she was South Carolina governor. Koch volunteers in the state campaigned against her proposed gas tax plan. Her hawkish foreign policy views are also at odds with the network’s largely noninterventionist policies.

“We don’t expect any candidate to ever agree with us on everything and we don’t have litmus tests,” Seidel said.

Lee Canaday was an Americans for Prosperity volunteer who helped rally opposition to Haley’s proposed gas tax. He said he stopped working for the Koch-backed group in recent years because he became unsure of their political principles, and now sees their endorsement of Haley as reflective of that uncertainty.

“They’re just pushing the same old stuff,” he said, adding that he is deciding between voting for Trump or sitting out the primary and voting for Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a former Democrat who is running as an independent.

Chris Maidment, who started as a volunteer and eventually served as director of grassroots operations for Americans for Prosperity’s New Hampshire chapter, parted with the group after publicly criticizing the endorsement on X, formerly known as Twitter. He now works for Republican primary rival Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s super PAC Never Back Down.

“She didn’t line up with what we had espoused,” he said, pointing to her interventionist foreign policy views.

Kerry Baldwin, who served as coalitions director for the New Mexico chapter, said she was terminated over her opposition to the Haley endorsement. “This endorsement is antithetical to everything the Kochs and AFP have stood for,” she said.

The decision to jump into the presidential race this time and endorse Haley was complicated and took months to come together, according to people familiar with the internal discussions.

In February, Koch network officials publicly announced their intention to back a GOP primary candidate in a memo. At the time, the conversations had focused on DeSantis. But the Florida governor’s battle with Disney over social issues, and his mandates about how gender identity and race are taught in schools was seen by Koch donors as out of line with their libertarian values.

As the Iowa caucuses drew closer, the network faced pressure from some donors to follow through on backing a Trump alternative. A top donor, North Carolina retail magnate Art Pope, who gave $1 million to AFP’s 2024 efforts, had decided to endorse Haley after meeting with her. Asked if he made the case to Koch officials, Pope said: “I had lots of conversations. I’m not going to repeat private conversations. I came to the conclusion to support Gov. Haley before AFP made their decision to endorse her.”
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#16 Posted:
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I already knew the Kochtapus endorsed Nikki Haley. They are just like Nikki who “caves anytime the left comes after her, anytime the media comes after her.”

Nikki = Corrupt
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I wonder if she’s related to Michelle like W…
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#18 Posted:
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If the GOP picks Nikki over Trump i believe she will win against Biden. I think her path to victory over trump is harder then her path to victory over Biden.
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#19 Posted:
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drglnc wrote:
If the GOP picks Nikki over Trump i believe she will win against Biden. I think her path to victory over trump is harder then her path to victory over Biden.


In other words, the Republicans need somebody corrupt to win against the corrupt Biden regime? Think
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#20 Posted:
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All have baggage. Some more than others.

Trump = HARD HELL NO!!!

Ramaswamy = not no, but absofuckinglutley hell no

DeSantis = double dutch hell no

Christie = Don't trust him

Hutchinson = Is he still running?

Haley = Hmmmm..... need to look a little deeper....
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#21 Posted:
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Trump is beating Captain Sniffy….

In a damn NBC poll.

My money is on a democrat insurrection nomination to avoid Sniffy having a health related event.
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[size=NYT8]Christie’s Exit Should Give Haley a Chance in New Hampshire. Will It Be Enough?[/size]
A group of moderate voters is now available, but it may not put her over the top against Trump.


NYT
Eight years ago, Chris Christie gave Donald J. Trump the biggest political assist of the 2016 campaign.

He eviscerated a surging Marco Rubio on the debate stage just days before the New Hampshire primary. In doing so, he ensured that the Republican mainstream would be divided and allowed Mr. Trump to regain his footing with a win after a loss in Iowa.

Mr. Trump won’t be getting the same favor again.

On Wednesday, Mr. Christie withdrew from the race. Whatever his intent, by bowing out he has effectively done what he didn’t do eight years ago: step out of the way of a mainstream conservative with moderate appeal, in this case Nikki Haley, who is surging heading into the New Hampshire primary.

In the most recent polls, she reached about 30 percent of the vote in New Hampshire. It was a tally that put her within striking distance of Mr. Trump and even made a victory imaginable. But she still trailed by about 12 percentage points, and her path to victory remained quite narrow.

With Mr. Christie out of the race, those 12 points don’t look so hard anymore. He has held around 10 percent of the vote in New Hampshire for months, and Ms. Haley and Mr. Trump would essentially be tied in New Hampshire if her support were hypothetically combined with Mr. Christie’s

According to FiveThirtyEight on Wednesday night, Ms. Haley and Mr. Christie’s support added up to 41.5 percent of the vote in New Hampshire, to 42.4 percent for Mr. Trump.

Of course, not every one of Mr. Christie’s voters will back Ms. Haley. But in this particular case, there’s good reason to think the preponderance of his voters really will coalesce behind her.


Mr. Christie is the only vocal anti-Trump candidate and, not surprisingly, his supporters are the likeliest to be anti-Trump. In a CNN/UNH poll this week, 65 percent of Mr. Christie’s supporters said Ms. Haley was their second choice. In a CBS/YouGov poll last month, 75 percent of Mr. Christie’s supporters in New Hampshire said they would consider Ms. Haley. Just 9 percent said they would consider Mr. Trump.

With these numbers, Ms. Haley’s path to victory isn’t like hitting an inside straight — it is fairly straightforward. No, the Christie vote, alone, will probably not be enough. But she has been steadily gaining in the polls and, historically, there’s a lot of precedent for surging candidates to keep gaining — especially over a contest's final days. With Mr. Trump at just 42 percent of the vote, there’s no reason to think her path is closed off.

Of course, a Haley win in New Hampshire would not mean that Mr. Trump’s path to the nomination was in jeopardy. Not even Mr. Christie seems optimistic about her chances; he was heard on a hot mic Wednesday saying “she’s going to get smoked,” presumably referring to Ms. Haley, and he did not endorse her.

Her appeal is concentrated among highly educated and moderate voters, who represent an outsize share of the electorate in New Hampshire. She also depends on the support of registered independents — in some other key primary contests, they are not eligible to vote. Back in 2016,derate candidates who went nowhere nationally — John Kasich, Mr. Christie and Jeb Bush — added up to 34 percent of the vote in New Hampshire. If you add the 11 percent held by Mr. Rubio, a mainstream conservative, that’s 45 percent of the vote that went for establishment candidates. In other words, this state is not representative of the Republican electorate.

But this time, the voters who backed those moderate Republicans will have a chance to coalesce behind a single candidate and, in doing so, deal a blow to Mr. Trump. The consequences may mostly prove to be symbolic: a rare Republican rebuke of Mr. Trump and a reminder that the old mainstream of the Republican Party remains to be reckoned with.

But there is a chance, albeit a small one, that a Haley win in New Hampshire would prove to be more important. Mr. Trump will face criminal trials in the months ahead. While it seems exceedingly unlikely today, an erosion of his aura of dominance might make him ever so slightly more vulnerable once a trial gets underway.
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