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Poll Question : Should the U.S. support Ukraine and Israel now?
Choice Votes Statistics
Yes. 4 30 %
No, 9 69 %
Total 13 100%

Should the U.S. be helping Ukraine and Israel now?
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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2024, 11:24 AM EST
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Yes as to both.
Gene363 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2024, 11:33 AM EST
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It's not a yes or no question, yes we should help, not by borrowing money and adding to our national debt.
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2024, 2:30 PM EST
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I know someone who invested in the war machine!
RobertHively Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2024, 4:42 PM EST
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Mr. President?

The Senator from (West) Virginia:

Mr. President, I thank the Senator from Florida, Mr. Fenster, for yielding.

Mr. President, the American people, and my constituents in West Virginia, have watched and held our noses as the U.S. government has waged endless war overseas for nearly two and a half decades.

Twenty-four years, Mr. President. Countless lives lost. Blood and treasure spilled, and for what Mr. President? What did the American people gain?

Mr. President, now is the time to say no. Our country has it's own problems, as so many other Senators here have already pointed out. Mr. President, we need not dig up the past, but look to the future, and to a different way of conducting ourselves towards other nations.

Mr. President, I urge my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to vote no on this supplemental bill. I yield the floor and reserve the balance of my time.
RayR Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2024, 5:54 PM EST
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You have my vote Senator from West Virginia.

I yield to the Senator from Kentucky:

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SEN. RAND PAUL: I would say it’s criminal neglect for Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, and Joe Biden to get together to send $100 billion overseas to fix someone ele’ border before we fix our border. We have an emergency. We have an invasion and 700,000 people coming across in the last two months, and they’re here to punt on that. They put forward a fake proposal, it wasn’t any good and we shot it down. That doesn’t mean we’re ready to give up on it, and many of us want to fight. 32 of us out of 38, three-fourths of us, wanted to keep fighting and wanted to actually fix the border before we ship $100 billion of our money overseas.

I meet no one in Kentucky and no conservatives across the land that are for this, but the leadership of the Senate under Mitch McConnell is more concerned with sending your money to Ukraine than they are with the invasion of the southern border, and I’ve had enough and I’m going to do everything in my power to slow down and stop this and I told them they can vote when hell freezes over. Because frankly this isn’t in the best interest of our country and the money has to be borrowed.

We don’t have $100 billion sitting around. We borrow $1.5 trillion and they’re going to borrow another $100 billion. We essentially — $100 billion and certainly we’re asking China to send money to Ukraine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/senator-rand-paul-says-its-criminal-neglect-send/
8trackdisco Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2024, 7:00 PM EST
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Support? Yes.
How? that is the tricky part.
8trackdisco Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2024, 7:01 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
It's not a yes or no question, yes we should help, not by borrowing money and adding to our national debt.


Yes, this is a better answer than mine.
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2024, 7:58 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Support? Yes.
How? that is the tricky part.


I think cheering for their World Cup and Olympic soccers would could as support.
8trackdisco Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2024, 8:30 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I think cheering for their World Cup and Olympic soccers would could as support.


Olympic soccer is ..... okay I guess.

My answer was going to be around logistics, Starlink, black tech. But then I remember Israel is (aLLegedlY) the tip of the spear when it came to security and technology. Then October came. So we'd have to make money (like 35 trillion) and anything over and above (after giving benefits to homeless vet programs) would be for Ukraine and Israel.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Feb 15 2024, 8:49 PM EST
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Let’s face it, killing isn’t cheap. What rfenst is advocating for is $100 billion. Ukrainians killing Russians so we don’t have to. Israelis killing Arabs do we don’t have to. $100 billion works out to ~$300 per person plus interest. Now if we could get a fixed kill contract for X amounts of kills we could figure out the price per kill.
8trackdisco Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Feb 16 2024, 10:03 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Let’s face it, killing isn’t cheap. What rfenst is advocating for is $100 billion. Ukrainians killing Russians so we don’t have to. Israelis killing Arabs do we don’t have to. $100 billion works out to ~$300 per person plus interest. Now if we could get a fixed kill contract for X amounts of kills we could figure out the price per kill.


With Ukrainian corruption being high, it would be nice to know how many cents on the dollar actually makes it to the battleground for things that go boom or intercepts things that go boom.
Dawgone Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Feb 16 2024, 11:33 AM EST
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I agree We have already seen the cost of fighting here(9-11)then our retribution ,lets pay someone else to fight over there
RayR Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Feb 16 2024, 11:41 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
With Ukrainian corruption being high, it would be nice to know how many cents on the dollar actually makes it to the battleground for things that go boom or intercepts things that go boom.


That's the thing, other than the usual corporate welfare for the MIC, there is no line item accounting as to what all that money would be used for.
RayR Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Feb 17 2024, 12:38 PM EST
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This is the truth...

Ukraine "foreign aid" bills are taxpayer-funded stimulus packages for the parasites of the D.C. Beltway
Setting the record straight on money allocated "for Ukraine."

JORDAN SCHACHTEL
FEB 13, 2024

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The United States Congress has already allocated hundreds of billions of dollars to the losing war effort in Ukraine, and the vast majority of the money (other than the dollars that serve to bribe Ukrainian officials and keep them onside with the West) is spent in the United States.

At first glance, it seems like a good thing. And it might even be preferable to sending that military “foreign aid” money overseas to some sketchy Ukrainian tank commander with, uh, historically controversial tattoos, named Anatoliy.

American officials and members of Congress who support the Current Conflict Thing continue to drive home the idea that this way of doing “foreign aid” is as American as apple pie. Surely, in the aftermath of the multi-trillion dollar boondoggles in Iraq and Afghanistan, they hope the marketing sticks.

On Tuesday, President Biden declared that “it spends the money right here in the United States of America,” adding that “history is watching.”

Now, it’s worth breaking down why this noxious status quo is so damaging to the fiscal and societal health of the United States. For that, we must go to the first principles of economics.

First and foremost, the government does not create jobs. Let me repeat: the government does not and cannot create jobs. This is especially true for the no-bid Beltway defense behemoths, which have become increasingly centralized with increasingly bloated budgets and profit margins over time.

For example, let’s consider this $95 billion Ukraine bill that just passed the Senate and is being debated before the House. If that bill passes and it is signed into law, they will proceed to print $95 billion dollars and distribute the money to an increasingly centralized list of Beltway-based mega corporations that includes Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and the gang.

More...

https://bit.ly/3I4zroU
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Feb 17 2024, 2:27 PM EST
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I’m still confused, I thought the Jews had space lasers?

Was I lied to?
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